Testaccount9900

5 hours ago, Gatsby said:

Scalp hair stays in the anagen phase for 2-8 years and then goes into the telegenic phase for three months before shedding. Beard hair is the in the anagen phase for 2 months to 1 year and sits in the telegenic phase between 1-3 months before shedding. Chest hair stays in the anagen phase for 1-6 months and sits in the telogen phase for 2-6 months. So you can see when it comes to say a hybrid hair transplant like I have undergone these phases vary a lot which is something potential NW 7 patients need to take into account. That’s why I take oral minoxidil in the hope of keeping these hairs in the anagen phase as long as possible. 

Apologies I think I miss worded my question I meant in relation to shock loss of native hair during a transplant, not the actual transplanted hairs 

12 hours ago, Gatsby said:

The vast majority shed the transplanted hair due to the trauma of surgery.  The transplanted hair goes into a resting phase and sheds and about 3 months post op the new hair begins to grow. This time of new growth can vary a little. Personally I have always found month two to be the worst point in the ugly duckling phase. All the best. 

What about none transplanted hair? How often do they go into a shed/shock loss and when do they tend to recover?

Thanks for the reply’s guys it’s just nerve racking to see my hair look worse than it was prior to the HT

I have shock loss behind my hair line on one primarily side, 30 days after surgery, was wondering what the time line for native hair recovery is, and if anyone has personal advice on shock loss they went through

Note- specifically none transplanted hair 

I have been told it is related to the trauma of surgery and the use of anaesthetics 

1. how common is temporary shock loss

2. what can be done to speed up the process 

3. how long does it typically last?

if anyone has any direct experience in this matter would love to hear from you

11 minutes ago, WhereIsMyMind said:

plucking a hair doesnt reset the hair cycle, the stem cells and follicle is still going to go through its whole process

the only proven thing I know that accelerates early anagen is minoxidil, and there is also stemoxydine which makes the telogen phase shorter via hypoxia

im not sure how much is worth trying to accelerate the hair cycle for those hairs though, probably better just let it be its natural process

That’s generally what I assumed, given that the hair shaft isn’t responsible for the cycle, but people seemed adamant they needed to pluck them 

Hey,

I am on month 5 of my HT, and noticed some relatively short hairs that look like they are still dormant, given that they are still hanging around I can only assume they latched onto a blood supply. I have seen some folks here and on Reddit gently remove them with tweezers however I am not interested in doing that, so my question is, will they fall out on their own and restart their cycle or do I NEED to assist them?

I just assumed given they were dormant they needed more time, so I’m genuinely suprised folks claimed they removed them w tweasers. I have had others simply tell me not to touch them and they will fall on their own in time, or simply restart their cycle.

19 minutes ago, LookMaxx said:

It’s hard to say this early. Useless to judge a transplant before month 5-6

 

Just mean't is it on track in terms of growth? I see alot of slow and fast growers so it's hard to gauge

Just thought I would drop an update, and ask some questions. I feel like I am a little behind in terms of growth on my left side, is it normal for 1 side to lag abit, and overall how's it lookin for 92 days out? I see some people with insane results at month 2

Noticed some new hairs sprouting in, also some of the old ones never dropped and kept growing around 10% never fell out, but also I have some very short hairs then never dropped and dont seem to be growing, are they just sleeping? Why didn't they fall out if they arent going to grow straight away, abit confusing

3 hours ago, SeanToman said:

Was wondering this also.  I assumed poor shock loss recovery only occurs on miniaturizing follicles and not pre-transplanted DHT resistant follicles. 

I would assume so

You could just be a really slow grower, it's not unheard of. Ignore people jumping on the "damaged grafts" train, they are speculating 100%, also you have a change in density between month 5/6 so it indicates things are still on their way

Okay, so from experince I know, two things

1- oral is way more effective than topical

2- oral is dose-dependent and has the more you take the better your results, unlike topical where you are limted by skin absorption and lack of enyzme activity(Even in responders theres a finite amount of enzymes), your liver has way more of the enzyme, minus for special cases such as people with down syndrome.

So, we know topical minoxidil is used to help prevent/work through shockloss, so is it safe to assume oral minoxidil would in turn do the same thing? Given that the mechanism of growth for minoxidil is due to minoxidil sulphate not the actual minoxidil itself.

11 hours ago, baldbandito said:

Thanks for sharing. Yep- super common! Let the regrown begin. Looking forward to following your progress.

No worries, just a lil anxious about the whole thing, had hair in my new hairline and now its gone, but I guess the sooner the shed the sooner the regrowth, its just all very mentally taxing, especially because I am starting a new job soon

Recently asked on the fourm and Reddit if L/J shaped sheds were normal and was reassured it’s common(managed to find a lot of ppl asking the same question) just wanted to post my month 1, shed really picked up very fast, fingers crossed for a speedy regrowth

8 hours ago, shiba1985 said:

Tbh is it normal? . No; ideally the follicles looks unharmed. But even the best surgeon on the planet will have some j hairs and hooked follicles. It is what it is. You try to acheive perfection but know that perfection is impossible

For refference, those pictures of hooked etc aren't mine, the only J/L shaped ones I have are very mild. Based on my searches on the fourm, and the internet now, it seems very common for some grafts to expect this behaviour

6 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

My arm hair already does that lol. But I keep it trimmed. Is that the only sides? More body hair? 

For me, yes the only side was more body hair and the ability to quit topically minoxidil, unrelated note could you check your DMs please 🙏 

On 7/28/2022 at 5:28 PM, Britalien said:

Totally normal to see all different shaped hairs shed, J, L etc.. Nothing to worry about. 👍🏽

So is it common to see these bent little shapes? Someone said it’s a sign the grafts were damaged, or is that wrong 

52 minutes ago, zenmu said:

ive been on the subreddit tressless for awhile and ive seen lot’s of reports of people saying dutasteride caused them to recede faster along the hairline, or it “nuked” their hairline, etc. 

logically and based off the mechanism of the drug it doesn’t make sense. yet ive seen so much reports on it.

specifically, i want to add dutasteride 0.5mg 1-2 times a week, and finasteride 1mg the other days. (a couple years from now as i just started fin, which also depends on the results i get, however i just wanted to research it now.)

what’s your thoughts on this?

It's usually people who took dutasteride, encountered a shed, then jumped off, which is effectively the worse thing you could possibly do, induce a shed and stop the medication thats going to restore the hair.

Alot of people on that subreddit also claim Finasteride ruined their hair.

1 hour ago, Rahal Hair Transplant said:

@Testaccount9900,

It’s normal for your transplanted hair to shed between 4 to 6 weeks after the date of your procedure.  Before the shedding begins, many of the transplanted Harris will grow up until that point while others may remain the same length. Why some grow and some don’t, I’n not sure but the transplanted hair follicles remain fully intact and active underneath the surface of the scalp even after the hair sheds.

In 3 to 5 months after the procedure, your newly transplanted hair will break through the surface of the scalp and grow, thicken and mature over the next 9 to 15 months.

I hope this helps.

Rahal Hair Transplant 

Ah I see, I wasn't really shedding prior so I thought I would of been able to avoid it, I guess it's just wishful thinking

Wasn't really shedding much, at day 24 now, and the shed hit hard while washing my hair, but I also noticed alot of my shedded hairs had grown, my donor area was shaved closer than the rest of my scalp to make it easier to extract, so they were very short when transplanted but they grew quite alot in the 24 days, but also some haven't really grown that much, I assume thats expected?

- Shedding alot

- Shedding hairs that have grown in length

- Still have some hairs on my scalp that are much shorter

- Typically how long does this stage last? My hair looked great shortly after the transplant so I am abit bummed out with this ugly duckling vibe

Added pictures, my hair textures abit unique, relativey scruffy and hard when short, but it curls up dramatically once grown and softens up for some reason.

Also don't mind the single hair coming out of my forehead, that was not transplanted there, oral minoxidil decided to chuck me a random single forehead strand below my native hairline, and I had 0 intentions going low enough to match it, same with my surgeon.

1 hour ago, pkipling said:

Results look 

Everything looks great for Day 22! Enjoy the grafts while you can before they keep shedding. And remember to be patient over the next few months while you're waiting on the new hairs to officially start growing. 

Thanks man, guess I am just abit impatient as its already starting to shed , glad it looks good, hoping it will naturally blend in

Just now, RTC said:

Hahahah.

Bro I am Arab too and already have chest hair, shoulder hair the works. 

2x arm hair? Wtf??? I think I am gonna have to give this a pass 

 

If you don't have folices there you won't grow alot of hair so if its already dense and populated it wont be a biggie, but your hair will get thicker in diameter and darker overall

7 minutes ago, RTC said:

Have you noticed any hair growth elsewhere on your body

I am arab so I had a normal amount of body hair for a man, arms/chest nothing major major, but ye my arm hair is 2x density, it wraps around my arm now, chest hair increased, hair on abs now, leg hair increased, back hair appeared, you name it, but I will take this over 2x topical grease bs in my hair

Just want to make this clear for anyone interested in OM. Unlike topical it is dosage dependent, the more you take the more minoxidil metabolite you get, because your liver has enough of the enyzme, 2ndly you will get bloating/water retention on any dosage/low/high if you have a bad diet and you eat high salt foods consistently, and drink little to no water, ALONGSIDE being overweight.

Oral Min is for people who can keep track of their salt/water intake, aswell as maintain a healthy life style, take it from someone who is on 10mg of oral minoxidil, with 0 bloat, 0 water retention, the only time I have ever encountered retention on the drug is when I pigged out and had 2 pizzas and a full night of drinking with friends, which is out of the norm for my strict gymsqe life style

Is it normal for a few grafts to be bent abit curved? Online has different opinions

not my pictures but I noticed a few shedded ones a day 22 that were abit bent 

also added a picture of my HT day 22, started to shed abit how’s it looking?