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9 minutes ago, AB2000 said:

After the first surgery I could tell apart when I felt what was a chest hair growing out of my front hairline (finer) or beard hairs coming out on top of the crown (more scraggly).  At this point, a year and a half after the fifth procedure, I can't tell the difference through touch.  Whatever state the transplanted hairs were initially they appear to more closely resemble native hair.  In my case however, it wasn't that much of a journey for body hair to match my scalp hair, as my hair naturally grows out with some kinks and frizziness.  I think if I had fine hair and moved a lot of beard hair into fill areas I'd still be able to notice some difference.

One thing I do notice is that with subsequent HT's is that my body bounces back much easier.  It's as if my donor and recipient areas have learned what is going on and the amount of flare up I had from the first time hasn't happened again.  The body hairs have been doing well growing out in their new real estate.

what about the growth patterns are most of the body hairs dormant and dont grow long before shedding?

20 minutes ago, SadMan2021 said:

this sounds like a potentially logical solution to me, but for whatever reason Dr. K did not mention it. 

I also told Dr. K that, despite all the issues, I honestly am happy with the placement of my current frontal hairline. I did add that I would be open to him restructuring or lowering it if needed as part of the repair. But even so he did not bring this up as a solution. 

in any case i think what you have is already pretty good, maybe not perfect, but we cant expect perfection from surgery.

you said you can mask the issue by styling your hair with different products i would just keep doing that, otherwise you could try shorter hair and see if this helps mask the issue, at the end of the day you have to decide what kind of struggle you are willing to live with.

i wish you all the best

why not rebuild a hairline below the one you have instead of lasering off hair? i've heard people also do forehead reductions as a way to get rid of bad grafts then reimplanting the hairs into donor to use later but obviously this also has risk of scarring

i dont think it would do anything, but you should stay on finasteride 

On 5/13/2021 at 4:36 PM, AB2000 said:

Same day, but with Toppik concealer added:

im amazed by how much body hair you were able to use, your definitely a pioneer

did the hairs change there characteristics over time from your experience to more match scalp hair or did it still feel like it had the same characterists as when it was on your beard, chest etc

46 minutes ago, AB2000 said:

Scalp, beard, chest, arms, back.

could you tell me how many you got from each?

like 2000 beard 4000 scalp etc

On 1/14/2022 at 10:56 PM, AB2000 said:

I was in the same situation.  Since then I've had 14k grafts.  Keep looking around and if you do go the HT route go with something realistic and conservative.  There is no way to make up for all the hairloss you have had.

how did you get up to 14k grafts?

a hair transplant would not be a good idea if you arent planning to stay on finasteride, you will 100% be full bald less than a decade from now at your rate of thinning, not only that but the trauma from surgery could get you to a nw6 even faster. 

1 hour ago, taza said:

Hi I have 2 strip scars from 3 fut surgeries. A total of nearly 7000 grafts have been taken out. I'm now looking to book for an fue procedure. I have sent pictures to a couple of recommeded doctors and they both have said they can take another 3000 grafts from my donor area. Is 3000 grafts still possible after already having 7000 grafts taken out? Won't another 3000 make donor area patchy? Has anyone ever had 10000 grafts taken out and still have a decent donor area?

i think you should do 2000 grafts then go back for the last 1000 if you are worried but i think you'll be ok for 3000 but it may be your limit

On 1/10/2022 at 3:21 AM, Melvin- Moderator said:

They gave me a finasteride gel with azaleic acid and caffeine. I’m actually considering creating my own natural anti-androgen formula. Though, they do not have faith in natural anti-androgens. If I can show significant reduction in local DHT and a minimum reduction in DHT serum, I’d rather use that.

were you prone to side effects with finasteride before? have you considered trt or hcg theoretically you could eradicate sides by increasing testosterone to make up for the lower DHT

1 hour ago, Dr. Suhail Khokhar said:

On the legs. I'm assuming the surgeons were just terrible (going in too deep, etc.) at extractions and damaged the lymphatic system

is this surgical negligence or is extracting hair from parts of the body that aren't the head just a lot more prone to complications?

7 hours ago, Rahal Hair Transplant said:

BHT is an interesting phenomenon and I've personally seen some impressive cases over the years.  But I've also seen a lot of failures.  My personal opinion is this.  BHT should be used as a last resort when scalp hair has been depleted and only if the individual has viable enough body hair for transplanting.  Many of the "fine" body hair for transplanting never grow because they are fragile and they are difficult to extract.  It's also my understanding that it's more difficult to excise leg hairs for transplanting than it is to harvest chest or back hairs.  Also, many individuals just don't seem to be good candidates for BHT whether the body hair just isn't viable or they're just too difficult to extract due to the patient's physiology of the skin.

My question to you is, are you considering BHT simply because you feel that leg hairs are finer and better to remake a hairline?  Or have you also depleted your scalp hair supply?  Because with scalp FUE, you can cherry pick finer hairs for the hairline as well, and it ends up looking incredibly natural, that is, as long as you've selected an experienced FUE surgeon who specializes in hairlines.

Best wishes,

Rahal Hair Transplant

Well its more that donor hair is limited and has aesthetic value as long as it isnt overharvested whereas body hair is more of nuisance so even if it had poor growth there wouldnt be anything lost

49 minutes ago, Dr. Suhail Khokhar said:

I have heard of leg hair, arm hair, etc. being used by surgeons and lymphedema occurring as a result. One such surgeon was warned by the medical board yet continued doing so and had his medical license revoked. 

How does it cause lymphedema? Does this happen with beard hair as well?

alot of doctors dont like to do temple transplants since the hair caliber from the donor is usually quite thick so it always sticks out and looks unnatural but if one were to use leg hairs would that work? the length isnt an issue as usually temple hairs dont grow very long for a lot of people and can look like baby hairs. has anyone tried this ?

49 minutes ago, webathon said:

I am NW6 and I have scheduled a HT with Dr. Hasson for later this year. In the consultation, their recommendation was 4500 grafts FUE to rebuild the hairline and distribute the remaining grafts in the midscalp and crown. 

The large number of grafts makes me afraid that I may suffer shock loss and lose some of the grafts. Would it be better to go for a 3k graft surgery and follow up with another surgery the following year or so? I don't mind spreading out into multiple surgeries if it reduces my risk of losing grafts for this and future surgeries. But maybe my fear is unwarranted? I just know for sure with my amount of hairloss I will need multiple surgeries and I don't want to risk losing donor hair.

im surprised i thought they only agree to do FUT for that many grafts.

but if they say 4500 i wouldn't be worried about lost grafts or shock loss as they are very ethical and experienced surgeons they wouldnt let your donor get overharvested but if it makes you more comfortable then 3k for the first surgery is also a good idea

1 hour ago, Sitries1 said:

As a moderator here I would expect you to be able to make judgements on most clinic’s because I’d imagine you read most of not all of the posts on here and are able to sort through the information in an informed manner.  However the OP isn’t a moderator here and I don’t think it’s fair for him to name and share/single out one particular doctor in the title of a post and then not back it up with any information as to why he’s saying that (no info on his case or others). Fair enough about HOI because he’s been there but not Asli Tarcan. I’m not saying Asli Tarcan is a good doctor, I’m just saying the way he’s been Named and shamed when really it could be any number of hair mills mentioned isn’t fair. 

this is appeal to authority fallacy, take it from me i've seen dozens of asli results from youtube, reddit , facebook etc i didnt bring up their name out of thin air.

asli is a clinic that is honestly worse than hoi if i went with them i dont think i'd even be here today

On 1/3/2022 at 11:02 AM, Z-- said:

I think this is the third thread you've made about Hair of Istanbul? I think it's more than fair to say that they did a pretty poor job in your case, but I think it's far from a complete botch-job. Yes, your donor will look weaker, but I think there's probably enough left to have an elite doctor fill in the grafts. You'll need to do some research to have it properly fixed.

Turkey is no doubt risky, but I don't think it's necessarily any riskier than other countries (e.g. India, super-cheap US clinics, etc.). I think the appeal is the cheaper prices, particularly with the falling currency, but people that are only willing to pay around $5,000 are always going to take the risk of dealing with a hair-mill or untrained technicians, whether in Turkey or elsewhere.

Im trying to spread my experience everywhere i can. If someone like me was posting 2 years ago i wouldnt be where i am...

Posting bad results are more important than good ones imo

On 1/5/2022 at 1:37 AM, cafine5123 said:

Thanks for the update/warning OP but I still plan on flying to turkey for my second hair transplant at Asli Tarcan.  I did my research and went with a reputable doctor in the US that is recommend on this site for my first hair transplant and ending having a terrible result.  Asli Tarcan is doing alot of black/afro hair type transplants.   I rather take risk with them than stay at the states and pay a small fortune for another failed hair transplant.  All that matters to me at this point is to find a clinic that alot of African/black patients. 

Im praying for you 

On 1/3/2022 at 11:09 PM, Gokuhairline said:

OP, i hear you and yeah it sucks this happened BUT did you do any research before hand or did you just fall into the pretty marketing and decided to go to Turkey and get operated on ? 

Bro i searched for 2 months to find a bad result from that clinic but i couldnt the only black youtubers with good results documenting went to hoi and had really good results, e.g mr courtney or orane b i think is his name. Even posters on this forum hairlubious or whatever, they arent even cheap the pricing is like £4000 and up.

I didnt even have any major hair loss so i thought my case would not be a difficult one either.

I didnt really care about marketing just patient reviews and results, there strategy seems to be just refunding bad results to stop negative reviews.

4 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

It has been a week since my hair transplant with @Eugenix Hair Sciences I actually first went to the Maldives with my wife for our honeymoon, then went to Delhi to have my hair transplant, and ended it with a short trip in Dubai. It was an amazing trip, but i'm glad to be back home, resting and recovering. I know some of you have messaged me here sorry I haven't gotten back to all of you sooner. It was difficult with traveling and all. I can finally take a breather and break down my entire experience, which was AMAZING! A special shout out to Anil, Amandeep and the entire team at Eugenix. They went above and beyond to make sure I was comfortable, their hospitality was something I have never experienced before in my life.

The Plan

Initially, the plan was to get about 2,500 grafts and concentrate in the crown. I sent pictures and some video, but being in person paints a better picture. I do a good job of creating an "illusion" but the truth is that I need a lot of grafts.  For those of you traveling to get a hair transplant, the surgeon may change the plan  if you need more or less grafts to reach your goal.  After shaving my head and taking a look at my donor, two things were clear, I needed a lot of grafts, and didn't have a lot of hair left in my donor. We decided to take hair from regions that wasn't previously harvested like my side napes, the side burns and right above my ear. Dr. Sethi was meticulous in his planning and execution, I could see that he was really trying to get me the best possible result. He was hyper-focused and the entire planning portion solidified my decision in choosing him. 

The Stay (Farmhouse)

Recently, Eugenix acquired a beautiful farmhouse on 3 acres of land a hop away from the airport. As most of you know, I chose the highest package at Eugenix. Personally, I didn't want to let cost or location be the deciding factor, but focus on the results. The farmhouse is Dr. Sethi's project. I believe the house will be available to those who choose the package with him, there's a chef on site along with staff there to help you 24/7. I am not lying when I say the treatment I received was fit for a king. One of the days I was suffering from GERD (acid reflux) and within 15 minutes I had medication delivered to me, I could have tea, coffee, soft drinks, snacks at any time of the day. The farmhouse isn't finished yet, but I can see this becoming a talking point and big bonus in the future, it was beyond VIP treatment. I got to meet some other patients there, one even said he was going to create a thread here. The upstairs portion is going to become a game room equipped with a pool table, flat screen TV,  and table tennis. Very excited to visit again and hear and see some of your guys's experiences in the future.

The Surgery (3 Days)

The surgery took longer than we all expected. As previously mentioned, the original plan was to harvest 2,500 grafts. However, after shaving my head, it was clear I would need a lot more grafts to reach my goal. Dr. Sethi looks at surgery as his art, and he is most definitely an artist. After looking at my hairline, he agreed it looked good, but felt the V shape was a little too sharp, he thought it would look more natural to round the hairline slightly, while bringing in the temple points. We spent about three hours talking about the design and plan. I thought it would be important to focus maximum density on the right lateral anterior portion of my crown, as I plan on combing my hair from left to right. This could provide more coverage and a better "illusion" of density when I style my hair. We were on the same page, and he instantly agreed. 

First Day of Surgery 12/31/21

The first day of surgery was mostly planning, we shaved my head and then the fun started. The surgery didn't start until late afternoon, and we didn't finish until 10 pm. At the end of the day Dr. Sethi had created all of the incisions and extracted and transplanted about 400 grafts. I was excited to see how my new hairline and temples would look. Overall, I felt it would be a huge improvement.

Second Day of Surgery 01/01/22

The second day of surgery started around 2 pm. Dr. Sethi had a company party planned for the team early in the morning, both of us expected the surgery to be done by then. The team work hard, so I definitely felt that it was important to show them appreciation. Work hard, play hard. Once the party was over, we headed to the clinic and it was all business. We did about 2,600 grafts and filled the crown and midscalp. Dr. Sethi wanted to leave the hairline and temple points for the next day, when he was fresh. I agreed that would be the best option. It was also important from a donor management perspective. There's an added benefit to creating sites a day or two before implantation. There's almost no bleeding and growth factors have begun healing the wounds, which can improve the yield, another potential benefit to pre-made slits. Although, Eugenix generally use DHT technique, they were aware of this added benefit. 

Third Day of Surgery 01/02/22

The last day of surgery we started around 8 am, Dr. Sethi began extracting the hair for my hairline and temples, he took hours extracting the perfect grafts and implanting them. I have to admit by the third day I felt exhausted, but seeing more and more hair on my head was SOOO motivating. The surgery lasted until 4:30 pm. Dr. Sethi had done almost every part of my procedure, he even did the anesthesia on the last day, though I will say this, Dr. Sethi don't quit your day job leave the anesthesia to Nitoo 😆 Dr. Arika did my beard extractions, and I have to say she did an amazing job. Here's my takeaway from Eugenix, each person on their team focuses on one thing, and one thing only, to the point where they master it. There are technicians that only do placement, nurses who only do anesthesia, and doctors that only do extractions day in and day out. You're getting experts if you pick the lowest package or the highest package. 

Now, the fun part PICTURES!!! I will add that my despite having 3 prior FUEs I was surprised at how well my scars looked with a shaved head. Again, scars are largely physiological. I had 1mm punches used on my scalp and the scars were barely visible. Also, not all of the hair was shaved, Dr. Sethi left a portion unshaved near the demarcation line, so that he made sure that hair wasn't extracted during the procedure. He went up pretty high, as we discussed in detail and both agreed the hair right below my lateral humps were my healthiest hair. 

I'll be updating you guys every week, and then every month after that, just to show you guys the healing process. I will say my beard has healed almost 100%, feels like I didn't get any grafts taken from there. 

Graft Breakdown

2,100 scalp grafts, 300 doubles were made into singles which turned into 2,400 scalp grafts.

1,600 beard grafts, for a total of 4,000 grafts. I'm still waiting on the actual numbers of 1s, 2s and 3s, but I will say that I was shocked to know I had quite a bit of multis still in the donor. 

Before Surgery

Shaved and Mapped Out

Graft Placement Post-op

One Week Post-Op At Home

So they took 1500 grafts from the beard, when the doctor suggests they could take another 1500 was he suggesting taking it from the same under chin area or would they have to harvest from your cheeks as well?

12 minutes ago, Sitries1 said:

So HOI botched your HT…… but what about Asli Tarcan? You mention his name in the title fi your post and then say nothing anout him?

HOI is the most expensive high end hair mill in turkey and i still got a poor result, what does this say about asli tarcan, you can find many bad results from asli tarcan going to any hair mill is a bad idea and something i very deeply regret.

i mention asli as they are another mill popular for afro clients that also routinely botch their surgeries

18 minutes ago, hairman22 said:

I think Bisanga has suggested it may be possible with jst Oral Minoxidil.

 

Be carefull with Oral Minox though if Propecia gave yiu sexual sides.

 

Oral Minoxidil can cause elevated Heart issues. Some heart issues can case sexual issues.

Its why rarely some people can het sexual sides on Minox. Very rare though.

its supposedly a mild anti androgen as well

3 hours ago, 97133620 said:

Hello, I'm early 40s, and I've been losing my hair since 1999 when I was 20.

In 2004 I started taking finasteride, and I continue to do so today without side effects.

I also put minox on my hairline, and have been doing so since 2010.

I got my hair reviewed by 2 doctors who I really like.

My goal is to restore my hairline, and I'd love to keep wearing my hair 'up' and spiky.

Apologies for the greying hair

Dr Panine said I need 1000 grafts, and this would cost around $6000.    Dr Nadimi recommended 1500 grafts "dense packed" which would be $12500.

My confusion is the difference in grafts, and obviously the price is quite different too. I understand that Panine is a hugely talented surgeon who can make grafts go a long way.

 

at your age you could look into hairline lowering surgery i think they do it if your past a certain age with no hairloss.

as for transplants, realistically you would need 2 HT for a density that matches the rest of your scalp probably around 1400 grafts combined

1 hour ago, Curious25 said:

Do taking 2.5mg orally is A LOT more than any topical guideline dosages? 
 

I thought 5% solution might have tied in with the 5mg recommended dosage of OM somehow ? 

0.1 grams is going to be the same as 100mg so you are taking 40 times more minox into your system with a topical application as opposed to taking a 2.5mg pill but i assume that a lot of it is not absorbed by your body so the affect is a lot weaker

56 minutes ago, Curious25 said:

For instance , I’ve been told 1ml of 0.1% topical dutasteride is the equivalent of 1mg dutasteride.  
 

So I’m confused at to the formula to workout the comparative dosages between topicals/orals? 
 

Thanks 

1ml = 1g for most liquids on earth, so thats how i did the calculation, 

1ml = 1000mg

1000 * 0.001 = 1

so you are correct that 1ml of 0.1 dutasteride = 1mg dutasteride