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10 days post frontal/mid area. 9 days post crown/temples. Minimal scabs left in crown. Donor is essentially covered now and barely noticable. Harsh light really exposes the miniaturization in non-recipient areas. Fingers crossed Fin brings those back to glory.

Awesome will take a look tonight after work. All scabs out now and it looks soooo good. The GF is already crooning over me lol. Will post some updated photos this eve EST

Will post another update tonight. All scabs out and its looking great. Now to wait for the dreaded shed.

Hi guys, Here are some update pics. I still have a lot of scabbing. Eugenix estimates I'll need 3-4 more washes to get everything off. 9 days post frontal area. 8 days post crown/temples.

Your write up and thread has been a great resource for me! I have enjoyed following the progress. I have a small/narrow head with high sides stablized from Fin. Hoping that combined with curly/wavy hair will give me great coverage. I am adapting your supplement stack to my own needs as well - hoping that daily regimen thickens my hair further.

@Melvin- ModeratorEast coast. Flew Ottawa -Toronto - Delhi.

I don't think I am being charged anything extra to go back for the cleanings and the first wash. Honestly I had to heavily insist they let me pay my first payment at the end of Day 2 (I wanted to make sure my CC worked lol). I'm impressed by that. To arrange the extra nights at the hotel I just talked to the hotel concierge when I arrived and arranged to continue in the same room. I think I ended up with the Eugenix rate. Didn't get an option to choose which hotel. They just booked me at the Westin.

To revive this... looks like all that sun exposure did nothing to dampen Mike Thurston's HT results. Check out his recent insta posts.

I can only speak for the Westin. I think the Doubletree is a bit cheaper. Daily food: About $40-55 CAD, but different if you're using the buffet I expect. There is a launry option, I expect there is one at the Hilton as well. I would definitely recommend anything that makes the flight easier that is within budget. If you're travelling back right after the procedure, at least get the extra leg room for the return flight.

@Gatsby Sure, here are a couple of photos. I grew it out more than usual to give the clinic perspective on it. I did not send any beard pics beforehand. I think there are a couple of things to consider to mitigate your worry: 1. You've sent them pictures - they're going to be able to get a pretty good approximation from those pics. 2. You're a higher NW and BHT is a more critical and needed option for you. If I was in a similar position with less scalp donor/more grafts needed, I think they would have examined the beard option more closely. 3. My beard is bushy/patchy - one staff member (not a Dr) said it is usable but not ideal. They just decided I didn't need to consider it due to donor availability.

That reddit thread was hilarious. Went through most of the comments yesterday. Interesting to get a 'mainstream' take on HTs. It's definitely becoming more and more common.

Good stuff. You're going for the highest package I take it? When Dr. Bansal was doing my slits and talking about the atypical frontal cowlick, it was pretty evident she relishes a good challenge. I'm assuming Dr. Sethi is no different. The Drs and techs are extremely well oiled as well, and the interoperative/post operative staff. I keep going back to the clinic every day for cleanings and man, the more I'm there the more I like the vibe. So many of their staff have had procedures done themselves and they're all so open and friendly. Big shout out to Anil - that guy rules. I'm excited for you - gotta be the best choice on the market right now for high NWs. They will carry you through to victory brother.

Dr. Bansal took one look at my beard and said it wasn't good. Took everything from scalp. I have horsehair on upper sides and back, so they felt comfortable taking 4.5k. I look like a clown with devil horns when my hair grows out, the sides stick up at a hilarious angle. One guy at the clinic thought I had about 1200 usable donor left, but I'll ask one of the Drs when I go in for my clean tomorrow. I have had no sides from fin and my balding has slowed down significantly the last couple of years even without fin, so they're pretty confident I won't need another procedure. Who really knows though.

I elected to stay here until the 17th because I didn't want to mess with the long travel times, especially with how many grafts I had. I'll do the first wash at the clinic late on the 16th. Hoping I can wear a hat on the plane by that point. I'm vain. Would be tough to fly 15 hours and navigate 3 airports in a surgical cap, but huge props to the guys that don't care what others think.

Thanks for the kind words Gatsby. How many grafts were you quoted? Are you going for crown as well?

Don't worry about it being asymmetrical. I just had a procedure and it was also asymmetrical, but as the previous posters have said that is how nature works. If anything, if your hairline was perfectly symmetrical on an unsymmetrical face that would look uncanny. What do your results look like now?

After I sent them photos they were pretty quick to reply. Once the dates were confirmed they were very responsive. If you're not providing full details on your situation as well as solid photos for their Drs to assess they may take time getting back to you. They have a ton of questions and consultation requests coming in. What info did you provide?

Hello everyone, I want to give back to this forum by posting my recent experience with Eugenix Hair Sciences in Delhi, India. I write this review from the Westin Gurgaon in Delhi, having just undergone 2.5 days of a hair restoration procedure with the Eugenix team. Before I begin (feel free to hop to "Highlights" for the start of the actual write up) I want to give a big thanks to @Kirkland (check out his own Eugenix experience posted on this board) and to a couple members of the Eugenix team who made me - a Canadian thoroughly outside of my cultural context and comfort zone - feel comfortable and in good hands while at the clinic. Thank you Kirkland for checking in on me as my procedure unfolded, helping me on my Visa process, and for providing inspiration through your own experience posted on this forum. Thanks to Yugbir, a post-operative care specialist who sat down with me when I first arrived at the clinic and immediately made me feel welcome. He and another guy's name who I didn't get gave me a solid outline of what I would experience over the next few days. About ten minutes into the conversation Yugbir revealed that he had a procedure done himself, which looked great and immediately made me feel confident in my choice to go with Eugenix. I would also like to thank Dr. Shishir Chandra, who spent alot of time on me throughout the 2.5 days. He is a consumate professional who knows his stuff, and I felt very comfortable under his capable hands for the bulk of my procedure. I'd also like to thank Rizwan, who is on the business side of things at Eugenix, but neverthless helped me out with some post-op logistics and gave me a well rounded picture of Eugenix's ethos and business practices outside the operating room. And of course, a warm thank you to Dr. Bansal for designing a fantastic natural hairline (though I leave it to you all to be the judge). Dr. Bansal is a very busy woman, and even with the Premium package I did not get to see much of her, but suffice to say that when I did, and specifically when she was in the room working on my hairline and doing the slits, it was clearly evident how technically skilled and competent she is at her art. I can emphatically state that her reputation is well earned. So, here we go: Highlights - MPB progression: Somewhere between NW3v and NW5a. Noticed balding at 24-25. Confidence in appearance shattered by 28. - Donor Quality: good to very good; wavy/curly hair, soft skin, multiple follicles per graft - Cost: Eugenix Premium Package with Dr.Bansal. 210 INR per graft. Total procedure cost ~$20,000 CAD. Travel/hotel/PCR RT tests/Visa: another $5,000 CAD. Research Phase This part is straight forward. At 32 I realized I did not want to just lay down and accept my balding. A very close friend of mine started taking Fin, and that led me down the rabbit hole into a world where I found it was, in fact, not a given that I had to go bald. To my amazement, my genetics could be overcome. I started obsessively researching clinics and procedures, stumbled across this forum, looked at the patient results from Eugenix, and the rest is history. The previous sentence is a little hyperbolic - I did several extensive consultations before deciding to choose Eugenix. I spoke to reps from Hasson and Wong, Dr. Rahal, and had an email consult with Dr. Blake Bloxham. While these all varied and gave me important information, I ended up choosing Eugenix because it matched better with my goals and timelines. You can check out my original posts - but here is what my hair looked like in all its MPB glory around 2 months ago: Pre-Arrival After a consultation with Amandeep from Eugenix I bought the Eugenix pitch and decided to go for it, scheduling my procedure for Nov 8th. This will only really be relevant to Canadians, and if you're reading this after November 2021 the Covid-19 situation may have changed, but it is an arduous process to get the Medical Visa granting access to India. If you're planning on heading to Eugenix I suggest referring to Kirkland's write up on this (I did and it helped a great deal) and you can reach out to me in DMs and I'll help where I can. The Indian consulate is tough to deal with. They are not service oriented, which makes sense as they are bureaucrats and not service providers. They also use an external courier service (BLS International) which comes with it's own set of headaches. If you can, try to allow for as much planning and time as possible in submitting your Visa application. I did not have this option and I received my Medical Visa the day before my flight departed. with no communication from the consulate until I received it. This was not ideal, and a hell of a gamble on flights, PCR test costs etc. Arrival Travelling to India to do this kind of procedure is no joke. If you're coming from Europe or North America be prepared for the flight, but mostly be prepared for the time change and the culture shock. Delhi is a different beast - there are almost as many people in the city as there are in Canada, and that becomes rapidly apparent as soon as you step off the plane. Eugenix makes this transition as smooth as possible. At one point I was talking to three different WhatsApp numbers covering all pre-planning aspects. The day before my flight a concierge got in touch with me and as promised, had a driver waiting to greet me right when I got out of customs. If you choose Eugenix and you're coming from North America, just be prepared for a brutal flight followed by the time change. The clinic is great about planning the surgery after you've had a night to recover in the hotel, but travel length and time change will combine to rock your world. Recognizing this, Eugenix went easy on me on day 1. Day 1 I arrived at the clinic around 3:30pm Indian Standard Time. The drive to the clinic was eye opening, and arriving at the clinic almost moreso. Cultural context is important here, and for a Westerner Eugenix is a lot to take in initially. I would best describe it as Controlled Chaos, which is not necessarily a bad thing. WIthin the first 20 minutes I had spoken to at least 6 people, many of which knew my name and greeted me warmly. Within 30 minutes I was whisked off into photos, followed by a rapid hairline drawing by a very busy Dr. Bansal, then into a video pre-procedure interview. Eugenix markets themselves well, but we all know on this forum that the patient-posted results speak for themselves. I signed a media consent form (you can find me on youtube in the near future using James as a psuedonym), as well as a procedure consent form and a Covid-19 declaration form. Here is what my drawn hairline looked like: With my life thoroughly handed over, I changed into medical gowns and was off to the races. Dr. Bansal started on slits on my frontal region and right temple. During the procedure she noted that I was an atypical patient (about 1 or 2 in 100) with a frontal cowlick, which she decided to rebuild. I'm happy with that. I loved my cow lick. The Dr is a total no-nonsense professional. She'll humour you a bit with small talk but don't expect much. She has a job to do and she performs it flawlessly. My big takeaway from Day 1 is that the slits are, from the patients perspective, the quickest and easiest part of the procedure. This is how my frontal area and right temple slits looked after I was back in the hotel room (sorry I did not get better photos - I was wrecked from jet lag and anxiety): Day 2 Day 2 saw around 2400 grafts extracted and planted, covering my frontal area to mid scalp. Dr. Shishir marathoned this with me and I felt well taken care of. Hair restoration is a minimally invasive procedure, but the time spent lying down with your scalp being drilled into, injected, incised, and split apart is no joke. These marathon sessions are brutal. I did 10 hours on Day 2 and Day 3 and I have serious respect for anyone going 6k+ grafts. The procedure felt like a rite of passage. I experienced an endless dream-state in which my particular slice of MPB played over and over in my head with each acute sensation. At one point I teared up a bit, not from the pain or discomfort, but from the shedding of eight years of fatalism and confidence annihalation my MPB gave me. I was proud of myself for taking the leap. The best things in my life have come from taking reality-warping leaps, and this is right up there. Others here have posted about the Butter Chicken during the break for lunch, and I echo their sentiments. Chefs kiss. It's worth referencing cultural context again here. For the first couple of hours on Day 2 Indian dance music was blaring loudly from a TV in the procedure room. After a couple of hours I found it unbearable, and combined with my already intense anxiety and jet lag, my BP spiked. The Drs made the call to halt the procedure and get my BP down with food and a vigorous quadruple-handed massage, and after I indicated that the music was too much for me the team immediately shifted the music to soft classical music. On Day 3 that soft classical played me all the way through to victory, and though at times I was concerned that the Drs/techs would perform worse without their preferred soundtracks, that did not seem to be the case at all. The end of Day 2 left me exhausted but happy, and the drive back to the hotel felt completely surreal. Here is how I looked at the end of Day 2: Day 3 By this point I was more comfortable, had more time to adjust to the time zone difference, and my BP was reading normally. The finish line was one session away and I was mentally prepared to march toward it, step by hopeful step. On Day 3 around 2100 grafts were extracted and planted. Dr. Bansal did the slits for my crown and left temple, and worked on my hairline at various points throughout the day. The extractions on my upper left donor area were particularly brutal. Apparently I was bleeding alot there, and that oozing dampens the effectiveness of the anesthetic. However, as soon as I indicated any sort of discomfort the techs were there applying their blessed needles with soothing words. It's also worth noting that Dr. Bansal was on some sort of business call while doing slits on my crown, which may be normal in an Indian context but is a little alarming in a Canadian context. I was concerned at first, but it quickly became apparent that her eyes and her hands were a hundred percent focused on me, and I felt comfortable with what was occuring. Dr. Bansal has a powerful aura, and you feel enveloped by it when she is in the procedure room. It is hard to explain the deftness of touch and skill, but you know it when you're lying there under the bright lights hearing her call out instructions to the techs. The rest of the procedure went well. Dr. Shishir excelled again, and the entire team worked in concert, techs and Drs switching in and out to get me through. Because the procedure lengths are so long it is common for techs and Drs to switch in and out, but it is clear they all work as a well oiled machine. It is also common for staff not participating in the surgey to come in and out talking on the phone, asking you how you are, and generally creating the earlier mentioned environment of controlled chaos. This is very different from the Canadian idea of a medical procedure, and the Eugenix team are definitely professionals who are extremely skilled at what they do, but it's worth noting the difference for any Westerners preparing to make their pilgrimage. I felt comfortable and in expert hands throughout the entire process, and I am relieved that I am through and on the other side. Here are the final results of my procedure: Takeaway Eugenix's reputation is well earned. I post this to give back to this great forum which helped to change the course of my life. If I had to go through this all again, knowing what I know now, I would choose to do the procedure with Eugenix again without a second thought. I am incredibly greatful to the Clinic's Drs, techs, and support network of staff that make the experience as comfortable as possible for their patients. If anyone is considering Eugenix, they are the real deal. Feel free to reach out to me anytime with questions. I will make sure to update this thread with my progress. Happy growing hairs, happy growing.

This is absolutely massive. Huge thanks to you. I have an appointment with the Dr tomorrow and will take your approach. I will aim to get everything ready and mailed in by EOD Friday, so I should be good on the turnaround. I've already done the preliminary work with BLS and they know that I'm in a remote community and will need to do everything by mail etc. I'm looking at a decent # of grafts - 3000 to 4500, depending on donor, so I've elected to stay a few days post-surgey until the clinic can do the first big wash. With this in mind, I'll need to do the PCR test 72 hours prior to departure and will coordinate with the clinic for that. I think this part should be relatively straight forward as Eugenix is used to dealing with Canadian clients. All a moot point if I balk at the cost of a direct Delhi - Toronto flight and instead opt to go via London or another transit point. In that case I'll definitely be taking the above advice. Thanks a ton again.

Huge thanks for the info. I'm scheduled for surgery w/ Eugenix on the 8th/9th of November. I may fly direct from Toronto as apparently there is a Genestrings lab at the Delhi airport in India, which will make the flight back easier (if more expensive). I have a couple of other questions regarding successfully getting the Indian visa, if you don't mind me asking: 1. A Canadian Doctor's note is required along with the Eugenix note. Since I am in a remote community and not seeing a regular family doctor, I'm a little concerned about having to convince a random Dr to sign off on a letter and to endorse what is most likely to them, a random clinic in India. Especially when this is an elective surgery. Any tips on how I can frame it? 2. Did you do the full blood test in Canada?

Hi all, I began taking Fin six days ago. I'm around a NW 5a (you can see pics in my other forum post). Does it make sense to see how my hair responds to Fin before pursuing a HT, or at this point is my pattern of baldness clearly established that an HT combined with Fin will simply produce better results?

From your posts on this forum you seem very knowledgable. Do you think I have a good shot at crown coverage? I'm not expecting miracles here, and would be okay if the bald spot was at least minimized. I've just started taking Fin, my understanding is that it can in some cases reverse miniaturization. Fingers crossed on that.

3900 to 4500 grafts. They think the donor area on scalp looks great, but if after the in person examination there isn't enough to harvest, they'll go with 1000 from the beard and max 2500 from the scalp. Scenario A: They think that with my donor characteristics (as far as they can tell via photo/video) they can achieve an improved hairline and full coverage of crown. Scenario B: If A is not possible due to insufficient donor hair, they will rebuild the hairline and work backward, and still think it will be a significant cosmetic improvement.

Fair enough. The difference between the Premium and Super Premium doesn't seem huge, though there obviously is a difference. Same amount of direct implants from the Surgeon (up to 300 to 400) which I'm assuming is along the hairline.

Thank you for the insight. Have you had any experience with Eugenix?