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13 hours ago, eshda said:

Hello everyone. 

I'm looking at getting a hair transplant and seem too be struggling for various reasons. I've had one in the past, results weren't great, 2021, 3500 grafts, FUE.

 

I'm looking to go for a second as ive further hair loss and un happy with original results. 

 

I understand that you get what you pay for the majority of the time. But I've also seen some poor results from reputable clinics charing higher amounts, as well as good results from 'hair Mills'

 

I'm getting married in May 2024, So not long from now and I'm struggling to find an affordable clinic that can fit me in.. I've been quoted 10,000 Euro from a clinic that can fit me in, but I can't currently afford that as I am saving for a wedding..

 

I'm in a predicament, I don't want to waste my donor area and 'chance' a hair mill. I also can't afford the 10,000 euro.  Is there any clinics that don't charge 2-3 euro per graft, who provide fair results, I have been quoted £1500 from a clinic, but I don't want to risk my donor area. But happy to pay more for better results, so is there a mid range price, who price good results who anyone can recommend? 

 

Thanks.

How many grafts do you need? Have you consulted Dr. Bisanga, Hattingen Clinic, Dr Ahmad in the Netherlands?

23 hours ago, Melvin- Admin said:

DHT has an accumulative effect. Finasteride does not entirely eliminate DHT. Thus, DHT will continue to erode your hair slowly over a period of time, especially if you’re highly sensitive, i.e., Norwood 6/7. Just like minoxidil, it doesn’t mean it loses efficacy. It just means that hair loss will continue at a slower rate because the drugs don’t stop or cure hair loss entirely for those who are very sensitive to the effects of DHT. 
 

See study below:

https://www.oatext.com/Long-term-(10-year)-efficacy-of-finasteride-in-523-Japanese-men-with-androgenetic-alopecia.php

 

Right on the money, and this was my own experience as well. 

6 hours ago, mrselfconcious said:

Hello all,

I wonder if anyone in the community can help me. I am UK based. 

I had a procedure in 2017 at Feller Medical in the USA. This was done via the strip method only and I had circa 3000 grafts. 

Six years later however, I am still experiencing intense itching of the entire scalp. I have been to doctors and dermatologists and the scalp looks completely healthy. They cannot see any dermatitis, dandruff etc or any obvious issues which could explain the problem. Has anybody else experienced this, or can anybody shed any light on why this might be happening? I was keen to have another procedure, but I would be too frightened to do this at present given my current scalp issues. I can only assume this would make matters much worse. If anyone can help me I would be enormously grateful.

Cheers all,

R.

FUT is a more invasive procedure and has a higher risk for complications regarding healing. Yes, the risk is still small, but as your nerves are regenerating in the region where the wound was created, sometimes things can be more permanent depending on your own physiology and healing predispositions.

8 hours ago, Turkhair said:

Yeah honesty doesn’t win you friends.

 

A bald head doesnt look that great either, you have to pick your poison in this world unfortunately. 

On 9/18/2023 at 8:05 AM, Turkhair said:

They’re fooling themselves.

There’s obsession when the temples are barely receded but the sufferer thinks it’s detoriating the quality of their life and everyone notices it despite hiding it with long hairs. Then there’s the back of the head where suddenly the assumption is people aren’t going to notice several thousand black and white checkered pattern which is what it looks like. I guess if they have weak vision or legally blind they won’t notice.

Most people are polite and will avoid offending you. I know this because I had a full head of hair with a very small diffuse bald spot near the front of my crown and everyone I talked to would stare at my hairs during conversation. It annoyed the hell out of me and they thought I wasn’t noticing where their eyes were wandering to. 
 

 

Btw have you gotten a hair transplant, FUE or FUT?

3 hours ago, GeneralNorwood said:

Do you see  this double graft on the "G" picture?. When this double graft is inside skin, we see only 1 hair and we can think that is single hair follicle. 

But in fact, when we take it out we can see under magnification that it is double graft and second hair was hidden. 

So when somebody extract this kind of  "hidden" double graft and then implants in the hairline, then surprise, you have 2 hair in the hairline. But this happens when clinic uses 0.8 mm punch. When somebody uses 0,45 mm punch, i believe it is too narrow for extraction of double graft. 

Even in the same video, Dr Zarev explains that repair needs multiple surgeries, because some hair are hidden under the skin. This hair are in telogen or early anagen phase. 

Ah I see, now this makes sense.

I actually did not know case G is possible, so that is good that I learned something today hehe. 

On 9/16/2023 at 9:18 AM, GeneralNorwood said:

It was very interesting to see this this repair work and explanation that it requires 3 procedures. The final result is stunning. 

 

The thing about not using microscopes. He said that using 0.45 mm punch size allows him to extract single hair follicles without risk of transection. Well, i think that telogen hair have other opinion in this matter, rest in peace for them 😅

However percent of telogen hair in this strategy is low, so that is just some sacrifice for the whole process i believe. 

I don't quite get your point maybe clarify.

Once the graft is extracted, it's gone, so what difference does it make if a hair is in telogen phase there or not?

Would you just throw the graft away otherwise?

Yeah that is to be expected, some people also scar differently than others, it depends a bit on how fair your skin is, but I think without SMP, shaving your head after FUE won't really work.

You look like a new man, congratulations 🙂

I would be worried about infection or possibly bumping my head.

Also, swelling can be pretty bad too. 

Better to stay an extra few days, just to minimize this risk. 

1 hour ago, Turkhair said:

720 is a massive amount of grafts to be wasted on temple points. If they were used in midscalp, you would’ve been ecstatic with the outcome. 
 

In my opinion temple points should only be done once everything else is recreated to perfection. They don’t matter at all

And they are very, very hard to get a natural look. 

I would go with Dr Laorwong from your list, he has had some good results here recently. 

The post op picture looks good, I am not sure why the yield was so bad. Maybe there was transection of grafts, maybe if technicians were doing placement, something went wrong, it is hard to say. 

It is actually rare dut or fin will regrow hair, they are maintenance treatments. 

The only real option to get hair back is a hair transplant, or more intense treatments that raise your estrogen levels, but the side effects for most men are too much to bear. 

19 hours ago, WhamHair said:

Thank so much for the suggestion. Will spend some time looking at his work.

4 hours ago, WhamHair said:

I would rather spend more and do it properly given that the donor supply is finite. I have definitely factored in a long waiting list - which is why I am trying to lock down a strategy in the next couple of months. That way, I am not starting this process when it becomes urgent. 

Good plan. I would look into Dr. Pitella in Brazil, given your Norwood level I think he would definitely give you as close to full coverage as you can hope for. Take a look at some of his results on this forum, there are quite a few good cases. 

2 hours ago, WhamHair said:

Not sure if this counts but I did take some homeopathic meds many years ago. Not sure what that does but I honestly didn't think I would have the hairline I do at this point. Cannot confirm if there is any correlation here at all. 

I doubt it, some people lose more in the back than in the front, it started like that for me too. Eventually the front started going as well.

Your hairline will soon disappear as well without medication, I would say probably in the next 5 years if I had to guess. 

You will need to budget a lot of money to do this properly, of course you can roll the dice at a low cost clinic, but considering how many grafts you need, I would advise you not to do this.

The problem is, the clinics you need to go to will have at least a year long waiting list.

You look like a good candidate, but keep in mind with the number of grafts you need, it will be highly unlikely you can buzz your hair that short and not have the FUE scars be visible afterwards. 

1 hour ago, Fue3361 said:

I highly doubt there is a single hair transplant that can’t be seen with careful inspection 

What real world situation will you be in where a person will be inspecting your hair up close to tell if it's a transplant, and that they would even know what to look for?

The only obvious way is if they inspected your donor area, there will be scarring there no matter what you do. 

With the right doctor yes you absolutely cannot tell.

But singles in the front, the right angles, the right asymmetry, all the components have to be on point for it to look correct. Many Turkish hair mills are a dead giveaway, as they lack all of this. 

1 hour ago, JohnnySins said:

When I grew out my hair longer, the crown was awfully visible because of how thin my hair was in that area. I told Dr.Wong I wanted as much density as possible and wanted this to be a one-and-done surgery. I assume that's why he took that approach.

 

I consulted with 3 other clinics with the same photos: Dr.Bicer who suggested 1800-2200 grafts, Vera Clinic suggested 1850-2250 grafts, and Dr.Rahal suggested 1500-2500.  All the clinics suggested more or less the same amount of grafts when seeing the photos provided. I will never know if they would have suggested more if they saw me in person.

I would have told you around 1800 grafts as well, and I'm not a hair transplant doctor just a patient who has studied hundreds and hundreds of different cases. 

Just being completely objective, it is rather shocking you were recommended 5000 grafts for, from what I can tell, if you grew your hair out a little longer no one would suspect you even have any hairloss. Particularly as it is in the crown area.

Even my full head brother, with hair wet and a shorter haircut, will look like he is thinning. Wet short hair photos in bright lighting are we all know are the harshest of visual environments. 

Nevertheless, happy growing and I hope it is a good result.

How many other doctors did you consult out of curiosity, and what were their recommendations? 

Minoxidil is like the mafia dude. Once you start it, you are in for life. 

If you quit minoxidil expect a huge shed, research what happened to other people when they quit minoxidil.