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Save up some money and go to the doctor you want, don't bargain shop for hair transplants. Having a botched procedure, messed up donor, is worse than being bald. 

These guys coming in gaslighting the OP and changing the subject has nothing to do with the fact that these results are subpar. Ad hominem the OP all you want, but OP has stuck his neck out with transparency of his whole journey and it takes courage to do that when you invest all this time and money into a procedure like this.

The crown due to weaker blood flow to that area definitely kicks in a bit later, wait until 9-10 months to assess. 

If he is the doctor that can give you the result you want, it is absolutely worth it. Don't risk it going for cheap somewhere, stay a week there at a nice hotel and relax. 

20 minutes ago, BuyTheDip said:

Thats what i am regretting . I should not have listened to him blindly. Anyways i have never stopped finasteride and have restarted minoxidil 5% fortified with 0.1% finasteride. Do you think i can recover those lost hairs by resuming min again?

Maybe, but it will be tough. I wish you well and hope they recover somehow. 

Stopping minoxidil for prolonged periods of time caused your hair loss. It was foolish advice to quit it for months, you should have restarted it 10 days after the operation. 

What's done is done now. I don't see any egregiously thick grafts so probably it will be ok. However, the density doesn't appear to match your native density behind the transplant. This is of course normal for transplants, they cannot replicate native density. Anyway, It is really hard for anyone to say how this will turn out, you will just have to be patient and judge the results in 6 months or so.

Post op looks pretty decent actually. Of course like others have said, time will tell how it turns out.

OP needs to keep in mind, his cousin may have gotten a good result, but a lot of terrible clinics can turn out a decent result from time to time. 

It is a bit like pro tennis or pro golf. An amateur golfer can hit a good shot from time to time, just as good as a top pro.

But over time, consistency of good/excellent results is what separates the pros from the rest. 

Also, you have a very thick beard. This can definitely be utilized in your midscalp and crown, and you can save the best grafts in your donor area for your hairline. 

You can probably get 3000 grafts from your beard. 

10 hours ago, mister_25 said:

 

I don't really have a choice, hair loss has damaged my social life and destroyed my confidence. My options are either struggle and try to restore my hair or live a miserable twenties by giving up.

 

I am past the 11 month point, I will be withholding information about my communications with H&W until the 12 month point. 

 

I have been communicating with other surgeons. General consensus is that I have 2000 grafts left and I have to choose between fulfilling my front or crown.

And to answer the question, Dr Hasson said that my hair was Coarse and Wavy, so any misconceptions about my hair being fine contributing to the less than stellar result should have their answer.

OP I think your donor area was pretty good, I stand by that and anyone who says otherwise is trying to blow smoke to be honest.

To me this is a sub par result and if anyone here does enough research, this clinic unfortunately is resting on past laurels, has recently tried to overpack areas that many other elite clinics could do with 33% less grafts, and get better yields from the looks of it.

This site has the more recent results and these threads are available for us to see, I won't like them here as I don't have time presently but someone else can look at the last 3-4 years or so and post links if they like.

I heard that they are not doing 1 patient a day anymore, seems to be trending to the hair mill direction with minimal surgeon involvement in the extraction/incision phases.

You did everything right OP in my opinion, did your due diligence, unfortunately the clinic didn't serve you properly and you probably could have gotten a similar result in Turkey for 1/10th the price.

As for next steps, I recommend you consider FUEgenix in the Netherlands, some of the Spanish doctors with longer waiting lists, perhaps Dr. Feirreira in Portugal. 

On 10/28/2023 at 5:05 PM, manutd4545 said:

In Dr Feriduni's opinion the follicle groups reduced, he stated that all hairs on our heads have a certain life and what was once 3/4 follices reduced to maybe 2/3 and 1/2. Either way was most of my transplanted hair thinned and probably fell out. I sent him that photo to ask for his opinion. The one with the hair is 1 year post op from my 2nd with the worst picture being 10 years after.

Your case is quite surprising and interesting. I don't know of any cases where the extra dht protection of oral finasteride failed to "boost" the dht resistance of the transplanted donor hair. 

Actually your donor, from your other thread, looks pretty healthy too. 

On 10/29/2023 at 5:06 AM, alexmillne said:

I could imagine this... I tell you why. there are rapports out there that body hair transplanted to the head starts taking characteristics of the head hair follicles, so why not also DHT? 

I made posts about this, nobody here really credited it seriously, but it is a concern. 

@general-etwan, you would be looking at over 50 thousand euros to get the coverage you need, probably close to 60 thousand euros if you went with Dr. Zarev. 

Any updates @sid87?

Honestly, just accept that a good result is probably a flip of a coin at any of these low budget places.

Look yourself in the mirror and tell yourself if getting botched is worth it, and how much your hair loss is really affecting you to roll the dice.

A botched hair transplant, needing repairs just to look normal again, is much worse than doing nothing. 

Just think, why would a clinic undercut themselves and charge less if you were getting similar quality to the better clinics. This is a pretty efficient market, you get what you pay for (usually). 

This is what allows for more grafts to be taken, because optically to the human eye we look for patterns/discrepancies, which cannot be found so easily when you do homogenous extraction over the entire viable donor.

Shock loss can destroy miniaturized hairs for sure, because they are already weak and on the way out, so to speak.

The problem is, when a surgeon is transplanting over a non-bald area, there is only so much he can place in a first pass around these weakened hairs. It is pretty much impossible to predict which will survive and which won't. 

So, this is why many times a second surgery is needed for density. 

@general-etwan Unfortunately for aggressive hair loss sufferers finasteride isn't enough. I am one too, I kept losing hair on finasteride and minoxidil from my early 20s, and now I am in my early 30s. 

I would be slick bald if I didnt take them however, and saving as much native hair as possible is always a good thing.

Your sides may very well drop because you are destined to reach Norwood 7 fully. I don't know if dutasteride is enough to even stop it, but it can always be tried. 

So yeah I think some light SMP in your donor if you keep that short on the sides cut would really complete the look. But probably isn't even necessary to do that. 

1 hour ago, ScottishGuy21 said:

Scarring from your first surgery looks undetectable, wow .
 

Thanks for sharing your journey it’s been a great insight into how one of the true masters of the industry operates 

We can notice it because we know what we are looking for, but I think the average guy on the street wouldnt know. Nevertheless, it's a good example of a better case scenario of what happens if you shave your head after a transplant. 

Congratulations. Just goes to show how important patience is, especially going from months 3 to 4, people start getting nervous and expecting early growth, and panic instead of trusting the process. 

It can happen but it all depends on the individual patient, your DHT sensitivity, how aggressive your loss is, etc. The Donor hair is DHT resistant, not DHT proof for everyone.

If you want to play it safe, take finasteride or a different anti androgen. 

So actually, for a diffuse thinner, a buzz cut makes things less noticeable because the hair is more orderly. Since you now have a hairline to frame your face it could potentially be a winning combination with smp.

What is important though is to pick the right smp clinic, and have them make it subtle. Light smp of the donor and recipient will look much more natural than full blown smp which most of the time is very obvious in person, due to it being shiny and eventually changing cover over time.

So, long story short, light, spaced out smp that makes you look a little balding overall is the way to go. As Dr. Zarev said for example, it is much better for a transplant to look natural than it is to have either very high density, or a very straight hairline, or anything else that would make the common person think twice when they see it.

Everyone grows a little differently so just stay patient, keep in mind usually for larger sessions the growth may be a bit slower, maybe @Melvin- Admin can correct me if I am wrong there. 

13 hours ago, eshda said:

Hello everyone. 

I'm looking at getting a hair transplant and seem too be struggling for various reasons. I've had one in the past, results weren't great, 2021, 3500 grafts, FUE.

 

I'm looking to go for a second as ive further hair loss and un happy with original results. 

 

I understand that you get what you pay for the majority of the time. But I've also seen some poor results from reputable clinics charing higher amounts, as well as good results from 'hair Mills'

 

I'm getting married in May 2024, So not long from now and I'm struggling to find an affordable clinic that can fit me in.. I've been quoted 10,000 Euro from a clinic that can fit me in, but I can't currently afford that as I am saving for a wedding..

 

I'm in a predicament, I don't want to waste my donor area and 'chance' a hair mill. I also can't afford the 10,000 euro.  Is there any clinics that don't charge 2-3 euro per graft, who provide fair results, I have been quoted £1500 from a clinic, but I don't want to risk my donor area. But happy to pay more for better results, so is there a mid range price, who price good results who anyone can recommend? 

 

Thanks.

How many grafts do you need? Have you consulted Dr. Bisanga, Hattingen Clinic, Dr Ahmad in the Netherlands?