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3 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Just because patients don't complain on a forum, doesn't mean they aren't complaining to the surgeon or to us directly. You have to consider that hair transplant surgery is a very private procedure, and many patients don't want to post their pictures online. Another thing to consider is that Dr. Erdogan, probably has the highest rate of patients who post online, out of any other surgeon. In all my time here, I would say that he probably has double and maybe even triple the amount of patient posted results, as some other surgeons. 

Absolutely, I agree that he does have the highest number of patients. He's superb at marketing what he does, as I previously said. People buy the name and not the person who carries out the surgery, advertising is everything.

Hair surgery is very private, that's why 99.9% of users on here have strange usernames. It's important for regular joes like myself to inform people truthfully about clinics based on what we see online. I mean, we are all here trying to help each other in our own time, yet there's yourself who is being paid to participate on hairrestorationnetwork and push 'recommended surgeons'. Big difference.

Excellent job, has tightened up your hair line very nicely.

22 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

You missed the entire point of his post. First, there is no hair transplant clinic that is achieving 10/10 hair transplant results. This is a fact. The point of the post, was to compare another top clinic, with similar data to that of @LordBaldwin. Obviously, the comparison may be skewed, but it will be better than vociferously calling for a surgeon to be removed when the data we have on this very forum shows that most of the results are good.

I will repeat myself. There is NO SURGERY THAT IS GUARANTEED! If you can't deal with this fact, you should not undergo surgery period. Doesn't matter who the surgeon is either.  If you feel this website is a disservice, then you're free to leave. We've been around since the inception of the internet, and we've battled free-speech lawsuits to provide patients a voice, not just once, multiple times. But if you think we're a disservice. No one is keeping you here, you're free to leave our community. 👋

I like and enjoy the community, it has been very useful to me in my journey. There are a number of surgeons who I would say get 99% patient satisfaction. 99% compared to 75-80% is a massive difference, I don't think it's right that surgeons with those results are pushed as 'recommended'. A hair transplant is a massive undertaking and effects peoples lives massively.

22 hours ago, Gasthoerer said:

Seriously, I do not get why the arguments (even the ones which are clearly proven wrong) are being constantly repeated over and over. @LordBaldwin  did the entire forum a great favour and made a statistic about ASEMD cases. It says (out of the top of my head):


a) The majority of ASMED cases in the last years are good (> 70 or 80 % if I recall).
b) There might be a small dip in 2018 but it is only  ~ 5 % and the datasize might be to small to make this dip significant

If someone seriously believe that this are worse values than other top clinics and therefore wants ASMED expelled, why don't do a similar research for another clinic with a significant # of patient results posted for similar sized FUE procedures. This not much more effort than this fruitless discussion and would be much more valuable.

 Of course the data can be flawed e. g. patients posting more negative results etc. but it would be more substantial than what we have now.  It would also put much more pressure on the mods than all the yelling.

Whilst LordBaldwin's data was carefully elected, yes good post, from what you say - 8/10 transplants will be good from Erdogan.

In my opinion that is bad for prospective customers. Why would you spend thousands to risk being the 2/10? The other 8 are only getting 'GOOD' transplants.

This man is extremely good at advertising and marketing and I applaud that. However, anyone who wants to spend thousands on a transplant and get a RESULT should carefully research customer reviews...not 'recommended clinics' and this is how I feel this website does a disservice to honest members as they are being paid to recommend Erdogan.

Best of luck Isam, I'm 6 weeks since my visit to Demirsoy. New hairs starting to show!

3 hours ago, rotrichrich said:

It's really cool that you can't see scaring after 4000 grafts, I have seen his work and it really looks clean, can't wait for my turn, but I am so anxious about going to Turkey and doing this procedure... How short do you cut your hair at the back and sides?

 

I just wonder - when the hair grows back a little after the procedure - would using hair fibers on donor area work? I have never used them before and I haven't seen any people using it on that area.

No need to be anxious about Turkey, you won't be by yourself unless you venture outside of the hotel. Muzaffer drove me around and helped me out with any requests.

3 hours ago, rotrichrich said:

It's really cool that you can't see scaring after 4000 grafts, I have seen his work and it really looks clean, can't wait for my turn, but I am so anxious about going to Turkey and doing this procedure... How short do you cut your hair at the back and sides?

 

I just wonder - when the hair grows back a little after the procedure - would using hair fibers on donor area work? I have never used them before and I haven't seen any people using it on that area.

Pre transplant I had longish hair on top (4inches aprx) and sides shaved down to a 0 or 0.5 faded up to about about a 2 by the ears then blended up.

I had planned to conceal mine with fibres at 9 weeks, not sure if I will now, I think I will for once sport a shaved head/cut very short on top until month 4/5. I had a lot of success with fibres before the transplant, people would not have known I had any thinning due to how I styled the long hair. Over the summer I've been shaving it to a 0 on the sides because I've mainly been wearing hats and not been in public so much so I thought why not.

On 5/29/2019 at 10:09 PM, jj51702 said:

This is the first I’m hearing of a dissatisfied demirsoy patient. Have you’re reached out there and what was there response?

Likewise, only dissatisfied one I've seen photos off also.

On 5/29/2019 at 11:49 PM, CosmoKramer said:

Yes, transplanted hair can be susceptible to hormonal/mpb hair loss over time, even most all HT surgeons will tell you you are likely to loose around 10% of the transplanted hair.

In all honestly, it doesn’t look that bad as it looks like the majority of the transplanted hairs have remained and that your native hair continued to fall out even with you taking Finasteride (it’s not guaranteed to work on everyone) judging by your photos. Also, if you did get 3k grafts just in your crown its also likely that many didn’t survive as it’s common for the crown to be stubborn with graft whether it be done by a top surgeon or a cheap one.

 Do you have any photos directly post procedure to show how the grafts look on your scalp? Would be good to see.

I'd wonder about the medication also, did you ever see the effects of minoxidil and finasteride before? What was the clinic's response? 

6 hours ago, HalfFull said:

The oral Minoxidil I was prescribed is 60x 0.04MG Rapid-Tabs. First 4 weeks one under the tongue, then twice a day after that.

 To be honest, I'm not concerned about oral Minoxidil at all. Been on the topical one for 20 years. Finasteride is the one everyone should be very concerned about.

 

Agree about finasteride, I don't take it.

That's a fairly low dosage of minoxidil, I was on 10mg per day. I think I will try and find some minoxidil to replicate your recommended dosage. Please keep us posted, thanks.

4 hours ago, jj51702 said:

What has the clinic commented in regards to your 12 month progress?

It'll hardly make a difference on here, as long as this site keep getting Erdogan's sponsorship money the results wont matter.

a quick google 'hairline transplant' 

Have a look at other successful hairline threads so youve an idea of what she should be/must do.

6 hours ago, HalfFull said:

Ok so have an update. I saw Dr Sinclair and was very impressed. So impressed it's baffling to me how he's not recommended on this forum here as a recommended Dr.

What blew me away is the fact that they actually do FUE and FUT and use Mario Marzola - https://www.sinclairdermatology.com.au/dr-mario-marzola/

Anyhow, while it cost me a fortune to see Dr Sinclair, in my estimation it's nothing compared to the cost I've spent over the past 20 years so may as well get the best advice I can at this stage.

His recommendation to me was oral minoxidil, 1 per day for 4 weeks the 2 per day after that. Also Krastase Densifique and Kerastase shampoo. He showed me the data and clinical trials on them, I said sign me up. The cost for the 4 months on that is costly ($110 cheaper to buy through him though when you get them all). 

Notably the other thing he recommended (much to my shock) was a laser cap. He said he had just finished a clinical trial of the Revian Red and it had amazing results. Mind = Blown. 

He's seeing me again in two months. 

For anyone in Melbourne, or in Australia for that matter. Go and see Dr Sinclair if you're at the start, middle or fearing it's too late of this journey. I've been around the block and he seems to be very good. 

Good post, thanks for sharing.

What dosage of minoxidil was recommended to you? Leaves me slightly more assured about taking it as I previous stopped due to long term health concerns.

It's nothing that can't be fixed so don't worry.

You will need further surgery, I'm really surprised a doctor carried that out.

I would be looking some ownership from Dr Shelly Lovitt, that's not shock loss in my opinion.

2 - This is crazy, on the day when the surgery was complete did you not notice the gap?

Who was the doctor?

On 8/6/2019 at 7:15 PM, rotrichrich said:

Thanks man for this. I do not need to lower hairline, I just want to fill-in temples. However, the doctor that I am interested in (Erkan Demirsoy) wants the head to be shaven, apparently for best quality. I haven't contacted him yet, this info is from the research I did. He may do exception.

I can't grow hair like this guy Legends, I would have to wear a military style (back and sides shaved with much longer bangs), the problem is then the donor area. After a month it will still be visible I guess.

My thoughts are:

Redness massively depends on AGE and SKIN TYPE, the younger you are the longer redness lingers.

My donor area looked perfect after a few weeks, I went to Demirsoy and his post surgery transplants look very clean and uniform. I shaved it to a zero at the start of the week and it looks normal, I can't even see any scaring after 4000 grafts. My recipient however is still red at almost 6 weeks. If you're older and dark skinned then I've seen people's recipients look fine after a few of weeks.

What did you do in the end? @bbreal

20 hours ago, JJJ00 said:

Hi all,

I've noticed Dr Keser has been recommended by some members here but there doesn't seem to be much information online compared to someone like ASMED,

I was tempted to go with ASMED on the back of the results, however ive decided against it due to recent issue and it being an expensive tech clinic,

I was wondering if anyone had any honest reviews or more information on Dr Keser that isnt easily found, Ive seen some good patient logs but also wonder why he isnt a recomended surgeon here considering his work and the experience he apparently has,

Can anyone shed any more light, either good or bad?

Thanks 

As Jonny touched upon, recommended surgeons pay to be listed on here. Best to research your doctor independently using the search function.

22 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

@LordBaldwin

man thank you so much for posting this, I think that this forum is a reflection of the internet. Did you know only 10% of those who use Twitter actually post, so without a doubt it’s skewed. Unfortunately, those who are unhappy bark the loudest and rightfully so, but this may skew potential patients in to believing they are the majority instead of the minority. 

And how many of his patients actually know about or post this site? There will be thousands of patients out there, both good and bad who won't share results.

On 7/24/2019 at 11:39 AM, FarsanUk said:

So guys a while back asmed posted something on their Instagram story video which they later removed as I screen shot it and posted on here on another thread. Just to prove the potential of many surgeries they have check out that screen shot below. You can see it shows 9 surgery rooms and 7 of them are occupied at that point in time. They are all separate rooms if you zoom it says room 1 2 3 etc... 

 

Still can't get over this.

@LordBaldwinIf you're researching Erdogan's work it would be good to find out if each patient knew how little input Erdogan would be having on their surgery.

On 7/31/2019 at 1:56 PM, LordBaldwin said:

Respectfully, that number is completely wrong.

Here are some of the people who have had "good" to "great" results on this forum from October 2016 through December 2018 (the time period in question):

Username	Sugery Date	CurrentRating (1 through 4)	Months	Complete?
Jonyny	Oct-16	3	34	YES
JustJax	Oct-16	3	34	YES
Scotty9107	Oct-16	3	34	YES
Hamburger	Nov-16	3	33	YES
DEB1982	Dec-16	4	31	YES
Alexmczane26575	Feb-17	4	30	YES
Ponchik	Feb-17	3	30	YES
Vainism	Feb-17	4	30	YES
Ediee	Mar-17	4	29	YES
JeanLDD	Apr-17	4	28	YES
Handski	May-17	3	27	YES
Bloodshoteyes	Jul-17	3	25	YES
HairDew	Jul-17	3	25	YES
HG1	Oct-17	4	22	YES
Sk78	Oct-17	4	22	YES
Nathd911	Nov-17	3	21	YES
Panos1982	Nov-17	4	21	YES
Vchorro	Nov-17	4	21	YES
Shuriken	Dec-17	3	20	YES
Astaldo	Jan-18	3	19	YES
Jammerz	Mar-18	4	17	YES
Pancake	Mar-18	3	17	YES
Highlander6	Apr-18	4	16	YES
Artofeden	May-18	4	15	YES
CosmoKramer	Jun-18	4	14	YES
Cali101	Jul-18	3	13	YES
Redlord	Jul-18	4	13	YES
Grantleebuffalo	Aug-18	3	12	NO
SomeLad55	Aug-18	4	12	NO
Kraistoff	Sep-18	3	11	NO
Heckenpenner	Oct-18	3	10	NO
Markymarc123	Nov-18	3	9	NO
Nb98	Nov-18	4	9	NO
LordBaldwin	Dec-18	3	8	NO

I won't list the results I consider "subpar" (i.e., poor or mediocre) without the permission of those individuals.  Suffice it to say that there are fewer (13, only 8 of which are complete).  Even if you doubt my ratings, you can check these threads yourselves and draw your own conclusions.

The total number of patient posted results within the specified time frame, on this forum, was 47, 35 of which are complete (i.e., more than 12 months out from surgery).  The total percent good or great (out of everyone, including incompletes) was 72.3%.  The percent good or great out of the list of patients with complete results was 77.1%.  Unhappy patients tend to be much more vocal, and, as alluded to above, have much longer threads that draw more attention.  

Additionally, here is an older post I made with an analysis covering an earlier span of time (back when I did this in late 2018 to determine my own chances of success); the relevant post is on the second page, December 1st:

Are you saying you've only included people who have given permission to be included? Why not include every patient and if you feel so bothered about using their name then change it slightly.

Seems silly to not include all patients regardless of their result.

Is this service only for patients of the doctors who sponsor the site to be 'recommended'?

After ten days the grafts will be secure 👍

My advice would be to search all the forums for real user reviews and photographs. Personally, I havent heard of them.

I'm 4 weeks post transplant now and trying to reduce my red scalp. I've used aloe for this past 4 weeks but want to further reduce the redness.

I'm unsure how much witch hazel I should be using, are there any dangers of too much? This weekend I started filling the bottle cap (5ml?) and pouring it on my head twice a day. Does anyone have any thoughts or experience with the amounts I should be using?

Thanks