kw877

48 minutes ago, hairlossPA said:

@kw877 I feel for you man. I agree your hair looked good pre-op but I 100% understand wanting to not hide it anymore and be free from all the feelings all of us know on this site.

 

Its unfortunate... hang in there. What are you thoughts on next steps? Wait the full 12 months... Would you go back for a free touchup? Or would you look into a different surgeon?

I definitely can’t leave it as is. I’m stuck between hoping asmed will touch up and have dr erdogan be present for the entire thing this time (I don’t think that’s a lot to ask after how much I paid) or going to a surgeon that does the entire procedure himself once I’ve saved up enough.

Its draining though feeling so crap about it all the time. I was excited to not have to worry about it anymore but I’ve found I worry more now than before lol.

1 hour ago, xadiohead said:

I guess I am confused that bases on those pre-op pictures why you even needed a hair transplant.  You mentioned you were insecure about your hairline, most of us would love your pre-op (at least based on the pics above).

I had a high forehead and receded temples, that I was able to disguise well with the right haircut and how I wore it. I guess I wanted to not have to disguise it anymore. Anytime I got sweaty or the wind blew I would be anxious about it. So I had the temples filled and hairline lowered. And either the grafts didn’t grow or they weren’t utilized well enough. 

Whatever the case HTs are all elective and we get it cos we want it. We all wanna feel better about ourselves 🤷🏻‍♂️ You may have been happy with my preop but I wasn’t. All relative innit.

7 hours ago, mosd said:

are your hair in worse condition now than before?

In terms of how it looks now, I look like I’m balding as it’s so low in density. Before I just had a high forehead/hairline which in retrospect looked better. Hindsight is 20/20 as they say...

1 hour ago, xadiohead said:

I’m still confused, are all of those pre op pictures? 

Yes. I can’t wear my hair up anymore as it’s too sparse. Even down its see through. Like this 

4 hours ago, xadiohead said:

I don't know what I'm looking at in these photos and they are just about all grainy.  

I don’t have any pre-op close up HD pictures unfortunately, I purposely avoided those being someone insecure about their hair. I was trying to show the previous commenter my hairline prior to the transplant. 

On 4/10/2019 at 1:48 AM, therealmvp2016 said:

You should compare todays pics, with pre-op pics.  there is definitely some difference I can see. 

Preop styled and unstyled. I was able to style it in a way to hide or make my temples look better. It’s more difficult to do that now though as any product makes it a lot more see through. 

1 hour ago, JayLDD said:

The point isn't what you're suggesting it is. Payam has quite literally said on other forums for example that you'll get butchered if you go to ASMED, they don't stand by their work, the majority are getting bad work etc. Absurd and factually incorrect criticisms. The fact is there are still hundreds of happy patients who have received top-tier work, in terms of the 5000 graft FUE cases there are no other surgeons *period* that are doing this type of work, still with immaculate donor areas. That's all highlander is emphasising, countering the ludicrous suggestion that they're a bad clinic and don't back their results. There are a significant number of people that are very happy, Payam is clearly trying to steer people away from the clinic and often with dishonesty, its fair enough that people who are happy offer an alternative view of their experience with ASMED. To pretend that its "attacking" anyone is silly. 

If your result isn't up to standard (even your own personal standard) imo especially when they're working on 6 patients a day they should and would be willing to find a remedy. In Payam's case they were and would be willing to do so, however he turned the option down and decided to continue attacking the clinic often with information that's downright false. If you go to the clinic and get a poor result, then don't accept the help they offer (I suspect the touchups like in PlanetS's case are completely free) then go somewhere else and get the issues fixed. Payam says he has the money for a fix and has surgeons who he much prefers, at this point it appears he enjoys complaining more than he desires a better result. Its a small amount of grafts that would get him to a very good result, there's no reason in the world for him not to proceed with that assuming he's truthful about the financial aspect.

The other criticism is that Payam in particular only shows the hair from one angle in his videos, extreme closeups in very harsh lighting in photos, often has wet hair, combs the transplanted area in the opposite direction to the flow of the rest of the hair, and in general clearly wants to make the result look worse. If you have nothing to hide and the result is poor, then show it like a normal person. Its not hard. His result is below par no one denies it, but its helpful to stop hiding reality.

In your case I would certainly expect more growth, however you're still a long while from final results and I don't believe for a second that if you're unhappy and it doesn't improve they wouldn't be willing to offer a remedy.  You aren't crazy to complain,  but to pretend that below-par density doesn't occur occasionally among every surgeon on this forum including the cream of the crop makes you most certainly sound uninformed.

I agree with you man. I think both sides, the proponents and those against should simply present their results and experience and let the pictures etc speak for themselves. Lately the forum has devolved into a place of name calling and attacking each other. Not necessarily in payams case, but Stephen and others have been called mentally unstable and shit. We should all respect one another’s experiences. That’s all.

I don't understand the reasoning with this, because some people had a good result and are happy, those who didn't shouldn't say anything or express their disappointment? 

I think the best thing for everyone involved is to express your feelings about your own result, and let others express theirs without trying to put them down. Post your review and results and if you are happy, great. However, its ridiculous to try and discredit someone elses experience because it doesn't match you own. It's clear to see Payams, mine and a bunch of other recent patients haven't had good results, or at least the results they were expecting. We are entitled to voice our opinion on our own surgeries without people who are happy with theirs shouting over us and trying to make out we are crazy.

Im genuinely happy for those who are pleased with their results. But this whole thing of trying to discredit people who haven't had the same result, the mentality that "mines great so stop complaining about yours" just isn't logical. If your results are that great, the pics will speak for themselves. Thats how you can express your loyalty to your Dr. However, attacking people who are unhappy with their result and name calling and generally trying to drown them out just makes you look dumb.

1 hour ago, xadiohead said:

Yours is tough to evaluate before/after because you had very good hair to start with (at least for a hair transplant patient).  It seems it is getting better based on the last pictures, though I'm sure it is not where you want it at.  

What about it looks better? To me it hasn’t changed since about month 5. Definitely no new hairs, no thickening. I had it cut but other than that, no improvement. Maybe that’s what makes it look better?

Either way, so far I’m not happy at all. As you said I started off with decent hair and just wanted a lower hairline. Now I look like I’m balding because of how thin and see through it is.

A little past 8 months.

9 hours ago, FarsanUk said:

In that case we should close this website becsuse everyone has opinions and there are no qualified experts on this site apart from the odd doctor. You complained your ass off and then you went back to the same place now don't complain if it it's still a disaster.

We don't all have thousands of pounds flying out of our arses for multiple surgeries. Stephen made a decision based on his viable options. Respectfully disagree or move on, who are you to tell people not to complain? On a forum to voice our experiences of our surgeries no less. Maybe save your armchair psychology for another forum.

Payam, myself, Stephen and others are all experiencing very similar issues and the few people that are happy with their results from the same clinic think its acceptable to trash talk others whose experience isn't as positive. Its like those who have a good result have some strange loyalty to the clinic, that makes them want to drown out any complaints by saying we have mental issues or just outright name calling on every single post. Payam isn't happy, neither are multiple others. Let them voice this without trying to somehow invalidate it just because your experience was better, its petty af.

5 minutes ago, munich said:

Don't think that it is a coincidence and I really don't think that so many asmed patients are slow grower. Maybe we had the same tech team? 

I had so much faith that I was going to the best place but the recent results are nothing like I expected. We went too late I think  a lot has changed there over recent years. Just hoping that if I have to go back my second surgery will be given adequate attention by the best people. It’s draining having to go through this, I don’t want to have to go through it this way again.

35 minutes ago, munich said:

This is how my hairline looks after 6 months and 3 weeks. Have the same problem like you guys. Density should be about 50 grafts per squarecentimer. Actually I measured under 15 in the temple area. 

I counted 23 in random part of mine. Some parts are definitely less. Why do we all have these same density issues? Like they’re identical ...

2 hours ago, MHR84 said:

Yeah, i have seen your thread and maybe commented there too that both of us having identical issues ( low density, weak hairline especially right side,  big gaps between grafts in hairline). 

Yeah cant doo much other than to wait and hope for something good to happen, til the 12 month mark. Do you know how many grafts do you have left? And would you consider a second transplant considering future hairloss on other area which is not treated? 

I think i had 8k donor. I dunno about that though. I’d consider having another pass with 1k max added to my hairline. I’ll probably get smp in my donor and tbh if I get a good 10 years with decent hair I’m not too bothered about later on. At 50+ my body won’t be anything special so my hair won’t be an issue. Just wanna get the most out of my 30s lol

On 3/6/2019 at 10:28 AM, nb98 said:

Yeah you always show that one area so assuming that’s the worse area so if you’re brushing the worst area apart it’s gonna look bad. 

I don’t get this kind of thinking. Sorry not trying to be combative, but people keep saying it and it really baffles me. Would you prefer patients hide the transplanted areas or present them in the most flattering, dimly lit, combed over conditions or do you actually want to see the transplant? It’s just odd that a lot of people say this. You either want to see clear, high quality, well lit photos of the transplant or you don’t. 

I for one would rather see what I’m in for, rather than a touched up version...

Check out my thread. Pretty much identical issues, low density, large gaps between grafts. Hoping that at month 12 or after I can have it fixed as right now, I can’t bare to have it on show

3 hours ago, CosmoKramer said:

Hi

looking at all the progress photos you’ve posted, in my honest opinion it does seem as though you have had some improvement from your 6-th month, it may be slight but to me it looks much better now than 1.5months ago, with that said, the density is not there...yet, you could possibly see more new growth of fine hairs even up til the 9-10th month and the hairs that have already grown should thicken and mature as well.

Thanks for posting your progress, hopefully you get more and keep posting!

It’s just longer, no new hairs that I can see. Thing is I hate having longer hair, but no choice right now

3 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

I can see your concerns, but there is still some time for things to improve. Have you contacted the clinic and have you showed them your progress thus far?

Yeah they just said to wait till the 1 year mark. Just feel crap about it all having not had any improvement for months. I know there’s still time but I’m just doubtful as there’s been no new activity in so long.

7.5 month update. No progress unfortunately. Having to keep it long so I can hide it for the time being.

47 minutes ago, Payam said:

How is that an excuse? Even if you look past the hairline design and multigrafts in the hairline, the root issue here is that Asmed has terrible graft survival despite using inordinate number of grafts in very small areas.

That’s what I feel the issue is, grafts not surviving. With the amount of grafts in just hairlines I expected a lot more density. Not native, but still higher than what I and others have ended up with. I keep hoping time will make a difference but so far it hasn’t changed in months, and others like yourself who are further enough along to assess the HT as either successful or not, don’t seem to have improved so what hope do I have

1 hour ago, Payam said:

Are you sure you want to risk it mate? There are some amazing doctors in the us that can repair you, they have long waits and are expensive but well worth it to put this god awful experience behind you

Literally don’t have the money mate. Spent $70k+ in surgeries the last 3 years and it’s wiped me out. The HT was the last thing on my list and I think I’ve screwed myself with it lol

25 minutes ago, jonnyalex said:

This is very similar to my result from Asmed. They seem to have got it totally wrong with hairlines. I am happy with the rest of the work they did however. 

My advice to anyone is consider Asmed for big jobs, anything behind the hairline. For hairlines, you need a surgeon who does the entire thing himself, no tech's, just the artistry of the surgeon. Your hairline is what frames your face and makes the biggest difference to your appearance - don't let tech's do that. Also, don't try and convince your surgeon to lower your hairline too much, it will never look good. 

You'll have to pay more but you get what you pay for. 

It’s cost me $10k+ with the flights, flying from west coast USA is so long and expensive. I can’t afford a fix so I just hope they stand by their guarantee, they seem to with many others.

45 minutes ago, munich said:

Maybe there come a wonder in the next 6 months, but I don't think so. There are to much gaps and nearly no growth. I think that at this stage there should be much more growth visible. Now I try to rescue the grafts by using rogaine. 

My bald spots have stayed bald, don’t think I’ve seen any cases have new growth after 6 months, just maturation though I could be wrong. Just feel horribly depressed at the thought of being stuck like this. 

Just now, munich said:

Yeah I had 3000 Grafts by Asmed. Haven't make a thread because my english isnt the best, but I will open one in few days. Slowly I'm loosing my hope that my result turns into a good one. Here are some pictures ... 

I’m sorry  

25 minutes ago, munich said:

I had my hair transplant 3 weeks after yours and i have still the same problems. My density looks like <10 grafts per cm^2. 

Did you go to asmed? How many grafts did you get and where? Any pics? Sorry for all the questions! Just the more people that share info/results the better the forum will be.

25 minutes ago, munich said:

I had my hair transplant 3 weeks after yours and i have still the same problems. My density looks like <10 grafts per cm^2. 

Did you go to asmed? How many grafts did you get and where? Any pics? Sorry for all the questions! Just the more people that share info/results the better the forum will be.