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So jealous. Can’t believe I didn’t go to Keser myself :(((

I’m sorry  I’m going through the same thing and also don’t want to waste more grafts at the same clinic. It’s so draining

I’m wondering if anyone knows how I can reliably count how many grafts per sq cm I have that have grown? I used a ruler and photoshopped a square over different parts and I’m getting 15-18 grafts per square mostly. I had 3070 grafts to cover a 70sq space, a large part of which was put into the space behind my hairline which needed not many at all. I’m thinking I should have around 45-50 per sq cm in the front. 15-18 is not even close.

On 6/1/2019 at 2:12 AM, munich said:

Hey Guys..Now I'm 9,5 months post op and I would like to give you a short update. I contacted asmed with some pictures and they said that everything looks good, but I don't share their opinion. What do you think? How much grafts will I need? I suggest 1000 🤔

The density behind the hairline is my biggest problem and I started to look after a very good surgeon to fix this. I know that is isn't the full result, but to be honest...I have not seen any  remarkable growth since 3,5 months. I can't imagine that i will get the real implanted density in the next 2,5 months. 

Asmed offered me a free touch up in case i should be dissatisfied after 12 months. I will think about that after I heard opinions of other surgeons, but after the recent results here i think this isn't a real option for me. I lost too much trust in their work. 

We have pretty much identical results. After comparing mine to a lot of other doctors I feel like iv wasted a lot of grafts as other docs seem to yield denser or similar results using only half the amount of grafts. I too don't think I could return to the same clinic as I don't want to waste any more grafts. Such a tough decision as it is gonna cost a lot of money to put right elsewhere, but can you put a price on grafts you'll never get back again?

6 hours ago, FarsanUk said:

Guys check this dreadful growth on an asmed patient. He just posted it on YouTube. This guy posted this on the BT forum and it got taken off. Absolute corruption in this industry. Asmed should be ashamed of themselves. This is NOT a one off this is happening more and more over the past 18 months.

This guy is at 9 months. I dont want to hear no BS from people saying hes still go time, this is no where near what it should be at 9 months even for a slow grower.

 

What the actual fk? How did this use 2000 grafts?! The mods really need to get onto the clinic to explain all of our recent results.

3 hours ago, Payam said:

I'm sorry bro, it's an awful feeling knowing this clinic flushed your precious grafts down the drain, all in the name of optimizing for profits, I would go with someone ethical for your repair like Keser or Kaan

Keser sounds like a good bet

So they got back to me and after the 12 month mark I can go for a touch up. Just wanna be sure that if I do I’ll be seen go by the Dr more as I don’t wanna potentially waste more grafts, I’m not sure at this point. 

I’ve reached out twice with a bunch of pics to the clinic and been told the doc will get back to me. The first time was January with no response, and again last week I was told to expect a response today.

9 hours ago, Fozzie said:

Result is not good and OP has every right to be dissapointed. Looking at the number of grafts involved, I'm trying to work out how many have actually gone in the area that is lowered. Out of the 3070 grafts, I wouldn't be surprised if 500 as a minimum (250 each side) of those were used for the temple points (looks like they were worked on in the pics), leaving 2570 for the top.

Now I believe as well as lowering the hairline, you mentioned some grafts were also used to reinforce the area where you original hairline was. Do you know how many were used to reinforce that area? If it was say 500, then you are left with 2070 for the area that was lowered and for me it can be touch and go as to whether that is enough to get the density right in an area which has no hair. In the hands of the right Dr and with thick hair diameter it may well be enough, who knows.

If more than 500 were used for the reinforcing of the area in the original hairline, then would be genuinely surprised the clinic would think a decent result could be obtained using below 2070 grafts in lowering the hairline, especially taking into account the rest of your hair has good density.

Would be really interesting to know just how many grafts were placed in bringing the hairline down. Not sure what your hair caliber/diameter is but from the pictures although it doesn't look particularly on the thinish side, wouldn't say it's super thick either. How many microns was your hair measured at?

I just wonder if the clinic has got the numbers wrong in this one, specifically in the area that has been lowered, especially considering your hair looks relatively good on the rest of your head and one of the critical aims for this procedure should have been to ensure the area worked on matched up in terms of visual density to the area behind the frontal area.

Obviously looking from afar, my numbers above may well be all wrong but just an observation.  Going forward, as mentioned, your issue shouldn't be too hard to fix but need to find out the reasons for the unsatisfactory outcome.

That’s the thing, I’d had quotes in the last for around 1800-2000 from other clinics. I had no need for grafts anywhere on my head but the hairline/temples, as anyone can see from my preop pics. Dr Koray said I’d need more grafts if I wanted the hairline lowered with a dense result. The density is very low, with some parts having hardly any grafts. 

I just don’t know where 3000+ grafts have gone considering the relatively small area that needed cover. It’s baffling? 

8 hours ago, Gasthoerer said:

I would not be happy with the result either, but before you have a touch up with any clinic you should investigate this point. There should not be weeks of intense pain in your donor. Actually you should feel almost nothing after a couple of days. 

The first 2 weeks my donor felt like it had been burnt, but everything I read online seems that’s normal for a small number of people as a lot of nerves are damaged during extraction. I’m not worried about it, but at the time it fkg hurt

5 hours ago, Legend007 said:

Hey KW8, sorry to hear u disappointed ,, I can see the sadness in ur eyes .. ur results aren’t bad .. it’s fixable .. u just need a few hundred grafts into the hairline .. when I look at ur pre-op pics .. the first 3 rows of hair aren’t dense packed .. it’s spaced evenly all around .. I noticed the top hairline docs usually dense pack those first few rows.. to eliminate the see thru-effect . Well anyway best wishes to u ..

have u contacted the clinic ? Maybe u can get a partial refund so u can get it fixed somewhere else .. they have good customer service there.. let them know U have this thread running , n people want to know how they will resolve ur situation . 

That would be the best case scenario, really wanna go to a doctor that does all the work, like Keser. My eyes probably aged 10 years from all the stress 😂 

23 minutes ago, Sean said:

I can see the concern but not to worry, i think this is fixable.  Im in a similar boat but my see through effect goes in like 3 cm more and looks more see through.  

No doubt surgery and the entire process is painstaking and time consuming.  A doctor should try their best to prevent reruns or repairs.  You lose so much time and energy and etc.  Thats why i can understand the pain.  

I would get few consults and see how many grafts are needed to repair this.  Contact top surgeons that have free online consults.  Hope you get this situated and hope you can move forward smoothly.  Best wishes

I’m gonna do that soon, just to get a rough idea of how many grafts to expect to have to use. 

1 hour ago, hairlossPA said:

i would definitely expect a much better result for having 3000 implanted in that sized area...

I know, using a ruler and photoshopping a cm sq some parts have 14 grafts. I was expecting 45+. Like wtf

2 hours ago, mosd said:

I have always been defending asmed and even wanted to go there myself but i think it's time we start taking these complains seriously. 

Pictures speak a thousand words. I don’t see the point in trying to trash them, I’d rather just present my pics and review honestly, and in all honestly I’m really depressed about it. 

It wasn’t an easy thing to go through, I flew from California, the 12+ hour flight back swollen and bruised with my scalp on fire, weeks of intense pain in my donor, months of looking terrible and $10,000 out of pocket to arrive at this point is literally devastating. 

Almost 10 months now and I’m so disappointed (understatement). There’s just no way it’s gonna improve as much as it needs to at this point, it’s so see through and if I get a bit sweaty it looks 10x worse. Suppose it’s pointless to even bother asking for a refund or even partial refund so I can get it repaired.

So much trauma for this result lol 

On 5/7/2019 at 10:35 AM, munich said:

Its very sad to see this buddy..in my opinion a touch up will be unavoidable. Nobody can explain why a transplanted density of nearly 50 grafts per sqm will end in 20. Its sure not the end result, but I haven't seen a growth explosion after 9 months.  I really hope you get some improvement. Stay strong 

I know it feels awful to know how many grafts I’ve lost that I’ll never get back, definitely not even close to 30 grafts per cm2 never mind 50! I counted 15 in some spots. Not sure what to do.

54 minutes ago, therealmvp2016 said:

Could it just be that your own body rejected some of the hairs? You know, like when other organ transplants are rejected, sometimes it's not the Surgeons fault, but just the body's chemistry??  This is all theory and speculation.  But I hope you can get a touch up and get a nice and dense hairline. 

Id be inclined to believe that some may just have not taken, but the fact that my issues are identical to that of most cases to come out of the clinic lately makes me think not. Also its rare that a body would reject its own tissue, its not like its a foreign body like an organ transplant etc. It was plucked from my head and implanted back in my head.

2 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

I would wait until 18 months, you seem to be a slow grower. Your results have improved a lot from month 6, it is possible it will continue to thicken and the amount of grafts you require for a touch-up will decrease. Currently, I think 1,000 grafts would give you an ultra-dense result. That said, it could be 600 in another 6 months.

Unfortunately there’s been no improvement from about month 5> No new hairs, still frizzy and dry too  probably just different position to other pics. I’ve looked and looked at all the pics I’ve kept a log of on my phone and can’t see anything better and it’s super depressing.

32 minutes ago, Kingbilla said:

No hairline should look like this at 9 months. 

If there is already a talk of minor touch at 9 months so it means it's a botched result? "Minor touch up" with 800 to 1000 grafts would mean 4000 grafts used jus around the hairline. That's ridiculous !

I really hope things improve for you. Good luck.

Yeah I’m not excited or happy about needing more. 3000 was by far the top end of quotes I had, I had 1500-2000 from other doctors. I thought I’d have much better density from the extra 1000/1500. To need another 1000 is mind boggling

1 hour ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

What you don’t see is that most of those individuals have their hair styled in a way to maximize the results. Hair transplants do not create true density. Now I’m not saying this result shouldn’t be denser, but those who cover a large area with 4,000 grafts certainly don’t have true density, I’m one of them. IMO it doesn’t look bad or unnatural, just needs a minor touch-up that’s all.

How many more grafts would you say? I’m just apprehensive to go back unless I know I’m gonna get the best techs and a lot more input from the Dr. I understand it’s the standard now that techs will do the bulk of it but I wanna know I’m with the best ones. Especially if it’s a second pass as I understand it takes a lot more knowledge to implant between older grafts?

4 hours ago, Baldrick101 said:

You'll need a second pass but its not the end of the world. It's not that bad. I'm actually in an identical situation to you. I waited 16 months and then had an 880 graft touch up in Feb and I'm waiting for it to grow through. Nothing is guaranteed, even with the "top" docs. Surgery is not risk free. Not enough people on this forum are willing to recognise this. I know its hard not to think about it but try not to. We are our own worst critics and, ultimately, people on the street won't look twice at this. 

People have commented though. People at work have asked what’s going on with my hair, asking if I’m stressed cos it’s looking thin lol. If I sweat or push it aside the wrong way it looks bad, parts look like bald patches.

8 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Have you reached out to the clinic? I wouldn't say it's terrible. Lacking in density yes, but certainly something that could be fixed with a minor touch-up.

But I’ve already used over 3000 grafts for such a small amount of space  that’s what I’m most bummed about. Most good Drs I’ve looked at don’t use half as many grafts for cases similar to mine. To have to have another 1000 grafts for it to look decent is honestly so depressing. I see people get 4000 grafts to cover a whole top of their head. I’m gonna end up needing that it seems just for my hairline, which wasn’t even that bad. 

Sorry to be negative, I just find it hard to be positive having lost so many grafts to end up with this result. My donor is already patchy and noticeably thinner. Not sure what to do.

9 months and 1 week. You can see why I’m depressed lol. No improvement at all, let’s get real this is about as good as it will get. Beyond disappointed, confidence is definitely at a low. My left temple is especially bad, the gaps are huge and if my hairs not combed over I look like I have a bald spot. 

Damage control? Lol. Pics? 

On 4/15/2019 at 11:08 PM, Kraistoff said:

Has the clinic noted and admitted recent poor results ? 

Would never happen. They’d be admitting liability 

2 minutes ago, FarsanUk said:

I was there at the old clinic and it was 6 on my second day. Its still 6 officially.

Its just silly isn't it at this point. It was blasphemous not too long ago to have more than 1 or 2. It was a big deal but its just overlooked now it seems. With the current conveyor belt situation, dodgy results and the strangely massive graft numbers being used Im wondering what the future of this is gonna be. The more I look at western Drs results, some of which you mentioned, I'm baffled as to where my 3000+ grafts have went as I was hardly even balding! lol I see people with half the amount of grafts covering a larger space and getting better results than mine so far. 

2 hours ago, jonnyalex said:

This is interesting. There was definitely not 6 patients during my visit, more like 3 maybe? I knew that techs did most of the work but I must admit I was surprised that I spent less than 45 minutes with the actual doctor... I barely seen the guy. 

Furthermore, I was looking elsewhere in Turkey ( other high end clinics) to fix my hairline and when I asked various reps on their opinion of ASMED, they gave cryptic responses like "I have an opinion but I rather not say". No idea what that means. Perhaps it's simply envy - they clearly own most of the market in Turkey 

on my day there was 4, but that was at the old clinic. They've since scaled up big time. Did you go to the new clinic?

6 hours ago, Kraistoff said:

Hey man

 

what has your level of aftercare been like? Has the clinic made contact with you (as in they make the first move to check how you’re getting along ? Or is it you that has to make co fact with them? 

Nope. No contact from the clinic, I whatsapped my coordinator with pics and she said it looks normal and that she’ll show them to dr Erdogan but that’s it. Heard nothing back since. 

8 hours ago, FarsanUk said:

First of all if you get a touch up done dr Erdogan will not be there for the entire surgery, he just doesn't do that its not his business model. He puts a lot of trust in his own abilities to train his techs and will stand by them. It's not like this is a one off where you can say ok generally his teams are excellent and chances are itll be better next time. Your exact issues have been a growing trend at Asmed over the past year, yes there are the odd really good results but it really is hit or miss there now as to how the results turn out. Physisions will say it is elective and cannot guarantee what will happen which is true however, when your issue is replicated on quite a few patients recently then that excuse no longer applies. There is a problem there and we can never know exactly what. Weather it is mis handling of grafts, aggressive extractions or just your physiology, none of this can be proved and they sure as hell wont put their hands up and say it's their fault so they'll offer you a free touch up but whatever you do its crazy to go back you've got one chance now to get this right and it can be corrected and you'll be laughing at the end. This next step the most important surgery you will have, choose your clinic wisely, make sure they check all the boxes, make sure they do a Lot of corrective work, and are present throughout and dont have multiple surgeries. Yes these other guys are alot more expensive but do what ever it takes to get you back in that happy mode. If you cant afford it then dont get it done, bide your time get plenty of consultations and make an informed decision. Just realise this can be fixed easily and you will be happy again.

I’ve been looking at surgeons that take 1 case per day and are fully hands on throughout I just need to research more. Keser is one I’m looking into but like I said need to research more. Any suggestions?

12 hours ago, jonnyalex said:

What exactly has changed at this clinic? When I was researching before mine with ASMED in 2015, I never seen any failed hairline work. Now I see multiple cases of this. 

I think taking 6 or more patients a day, you just aren’t gonna get the Doctors attention you’re paying for anymore. It’s not possible. I remember back in the day 1-2 patients per day for a decent ethical surgeon was the max. How can a Doctor (that you’re paying more for than almost all other Turkish clinics) possibly oversee 6 patients a day, most of which are having large sessions? Impossible. Why are the standards we used to hold surgeons to (1-2 patients per day) slipping so far? 6 patients per day guys. The forum really needs to assess their recommendation and make sure new prospective patients are fully informed of how this clinic is ran now. 

Most people are aware if they do minimum research that techs will do most of the work, but they should definitely be warned that in the case of asmed their will be a large number of other patients on the same day and that the Dr they are paying a premium for will have the most minimal input and interaction. 

43 minutes ago, Lennney said:

We all feel for you. I think we say "wait and see" constantly because we hope that you're a slow grower. Your HT doesn't look great now, but there is still hope it will. Try to shift your mindset to more positivity. Your HT is in the past. Don't worry about what you can't control, focus on next steps. Keep doing your medicine regiment. Eat healthy. If I were in your position, I would wait till about the 1.5 year mark before I consider another HT from current or new surgeon. If it makes you feel better, schedule a HT for the 1.5 year mark now so you have something to look forward to (if you find yourself unable to function). I think you may be in an unhealthy emotional state by your last comment. Jumpstart a new chapter in your life by working towards something rather than passively waiting. Best case your HT starts coming in. Worst case: you need another HT. Both cases can improve by you making positive life choices.🙂

Best of luck. We all want the best for you.

 

 

Thanks for your kind words, I really appreciate it. I feel like I’m constantly being questioned or made to feel in the wrong for posting honestly about my experience and have often considered removing all my pics etc. numerous times but if I was a prospective patient I’d want to see as many reviews as possible so I’ve left it up. 

I’m either not showing it in flattering enough light or in the right styles positions, or I’m being far too impatient, or told it looks fine and to be happy with it. For some reason some patients that are happy with their experience at this clinic have a strange need to try and discredit those who have had a negative one. Either through some weird loyalty they feel or a need to defend the clinic. Who knows why but it can be discouraging. It’s difficult enough to post about something so personal for the world to see without people making you feel shit for doing so.

Im just disappointed so far I guess but I get on with it now, I know I’ll have to have it fixed which is a downer but I’m waiting it out as much as I can hoping for improvement. The texture is still feeling really dry and frizzy too which I hate.