Sbiza

Thank you everyone for the answers! 

I really thought that 2.5k to 3k will resolve this crown situation, but it looks like I need way more than that... 

Do you think that a HT worth it at this point? 5-6k sounds like non realistic to do with what I have left in my donor areas.

Also, the 2.5k grafts will make it look like a bit more thicker, but will never cover the scalp, right?

Thanks again!

Hello everyone,

I'm considering a hair transplant for my crown area and I'm wondering how many grafts you think that I really need for a decent coverage. Is 2.5k will be enough to cover?

I will appreciate anyone help and advice, thank you!

Cheers!

1 minute ago, DrTBarghouthi said:

Pimples can occur after a transplant in both donor and recipient areas. Usually Sporadic  and non painful. 

1 minute ago, DrTBarghouthi said:

Probably around 3000 imo. 

1 minute ago, JohnAC71 said:

Yup I was being generous in 3500 max. Most likely anywhere between 3 -3.5 at best. 

I really feel better.. thank you so much for helping me! I started REALLY to be worried as my 7 months mark is next week, it affected my sleeping cycle and I was anxious, especially that I was living (and still) having a hard time with my hair loss.

I feel kind of released, but still not happy that they lied and set my expectations too high.

5 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

Absolutely normal and very common to get pimples. No you won’t have damaged any grafts. 

Just now, JohnAC71 said:

Looking at your day 15 pics it looks very clean and was healing perfectly fine. No matter how well we follow post op instructions we cannot prevent pimples from occurring. 

ok good, I was really worried about it! I didn't had that much pimple in my life even while I was a teen! lol

I think that they simply inflated the number (I hope). 

1 minute ago, DrTBarghouthi said:

Thank you for the mention. I agree that it doesn’t look like 5000 grafts- which I hope is the case as this means there is some donor left. 5000 in 7 or 8 hours is quite difficult. Might be possible but certainly will  be quite rushed and hasty and that will affect quality. Also 5000 grafts will mean grafts staying out of body for longer hours and that can affect overall survival too. I personally cap our day at 2000-2500 grafts maximum. 

 Thank you Doctor, I really appreciate your opinion!

5 minutes ago, Berba11 said:

So by my maths, that's an average of one graft fully transplanted (anaesthetic, extraction, sorting, incisions and implantation) every 4.8 seconds. 

5 seconds per graft seems to me to be very, very fast. I don't want to say it's impossible (it may or may not be), but at best it seems very rushed. More probably it wasn't really 5K grafts at all. You'd need to speak with a few of the endorsed surgeons on this site about the speed per graft and see what they think is possible and likely. I'm not a surgeon, so I can't say for sure, but I'd well imagine that any top doctor will say that 5 seconds per fully transplanted graft is very, very fast - maybe even impossible. Again, this may well work in your favour; if 5K grafts weren't extracted, then luckily you'll have more left to play with for HT #2. If 5K grafts were indeed extracted, that's more concerning, because it doesn't look as though 5K grafts have been implanted, so something has happened to those grafts.

2 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

Way to fast a surgery even for automated FUE. I would say around 3500 grafts most likely. 

Thanks! that's reassuring. I had pimples during month 1 and 2, do you think that can kill the grafts? I was worried about it and I took care of it with antibiotics, they told me that it's one of the common side effects and I don't have to worry about this side effects.

For some reasons, I had them even if I followed the instructions post-op and I have good hygiene in general. I'm worried that when they implemented the grafts, it was too deep so that caused the pimples as well.

4 hours ago, JohnAC71 said:

Your welcome 🙏 just take your time in making your next step. Research and consult as much as possible. You still have at least another 5 months for your current transplant to fully mature. 

I'm definitely going to take my time for the 2nd one, there's no doubt about it, thanks again! 🤝

3 hours ago, Egy said:

If @Sbiza asked about Serkan, I think his budget is not very high, am I wrong?

If the results will be good, I don't mind, however, I don't have a 10k$ budget for the 2nd one.

3 hours ago, Berba11 said:

Hi @Sbiza,

John has given some rock solid advice there. I agree it doesn't look like 5K grafts, and the hairline looks a little pluggy BUT... Four pieces of potentially good news:

1. Regardless of the result so far, there is a positive cosmetic difference now with the framing of the face

2. If 5K grafts haven't been extracted, hopefully your donor isn't too depleted

3. Looks like you've got a decent beard so you'll have some extra resources from which to draw

4. You've done the right thing by seeking additional opinions

If I were you I'd wouldn't be looking much beyond Eugenix. Yes, restrictions currently make it hard (I'm myself waiting for India to be removed from the UK's red list - so I fully understand!), but it's vitally important not to rush this - your next move is critical. Take your time!

How long did you surgery take from start to finish? We should be able to roughly calculate the grafts per second transplant speed and deduce how likely it was that 5K was actually transplanted.

Thank you for pointing the positive about my situation, I appreciate it!

India is on the red list for me too, so it's impossible to travel even if I'm fully vaccinated, so for now it's not an option.

My surgery was roughly around 8 hours including a break of 30 minutes ish, the grafting was longer than the extraction of course. so we're talking about 7.5 hours including the anesthesia and everything.

1 minute ago, JohnAC71 said:

Please use the virtual consultation or contact them through their website as it will depend on where you have the surgery.

https://www.hairtransplantnetwork.com/physician/Belgium/Christian-Bisanga/667

the 2 reps i included above may give you a better idea. 

 

I will keep you posted, thank you for taking the time to help me with this. I really appreciate it!

Thank you @JohnAC71 I really appreciate your suggestion. 

For BHR/Dr Bisanga, we're talking about around how much please? frankly, I just want to be done with this hair problem.

Thank you again!

5 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

Eugenix are ethical and provide accurate graft numbers. And they are able to take some pretty good amounts from a decent beard area.

Always be wary of clinics that quote such high numbers. 5k is a suspicious amount to do in one day ! Especially for FUE. 

Thank you John, I really appreciate it! What do you think of Dr. Serkan? India isn't option at the moment because of covid

8 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

Yes tons of results on here. @Zoomsteris pretty much the benchmark for what can be achieved. 

Waw! I just saw the results, yes now we're talking about over 5k grafts..

I wasn't really convinced with the 5k for the top.. especially after the results.

The worst, they told me, yeah we will try to take another 4-5k for the crown and to add more density to the top, ridiculous.. 

2 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

Looking ahead I would also really consider Eugenix. They do wonders for the higher Norwood levels. And are experts at using Beard grafts to supplement/add density. 

Eugenix is in India, isn't it? https://www.eugenix.in/

7 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

What does your donor area look like now ? Did it recover well ? 

The donor area is pretty fine from what I see, sorry it's hard to take pictures, but here's what I was able to do.

What do you think?

Just now, JohnAC71 said:

It’s will improve but it’s difficult to say how much. Please keep posting, monthly updates If you can.

Please consider choosing someone else though that will be able to refine the hairline and moreover give you a accurate amount of grafts.

I will, thank you John! I really appreciate it. 

8 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

Sorry to say they have inflated those graft numbers. Not 5k. If I can be honest it does not look like particularly refined work.  
You could choose a much better clinic for round 2. If your sticking with Turkey you may want to consider Dr Bicer or HLC for example. 
 

That's frankly what I was thinking, this is one the reason why I decided to repost today, because I was doubting since it didn't look for like a 5k results for me at 7 months mark. Thank you for confirming.

Do you think that I can get a better coverage/density in the upcoming 5 months?

3 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

Who was the clinic that done the FUE ? Do you have any pre/post op pics ? You do have some growth but I wouldn’t say it looks like 5k worth. 

The doctor, was Dr. Mahmut Yavuz at Time Esthetic, for the pictures sure!

The same day of the op:

Around 15 days after:

Thank you!

Hi everyone,

I posted back to last year around August about a potential FUE, I made the jump after the advices from everyone, thank you so much again!

First FUE session in Istanbul, around 5k grafts. I'm wondering if the results are decent for now.

Before:

Today, almost 7 months in:

Please let me know as I'm preparing for the 2nd procedure to cover the crown and add density to the top. I'm wondering if the results are decent or I have to shop around before the 2nd one.

Thank you everyone!

Cheers!

10 hours ago, deitel130 said:

Keep in mind that you will get more grafts via FUT. Scars are easily hidden. 

Thank you for the advice! I will keep you posted!

10 hours ago, Portugal25 said:

@Sbiza it takes 6 months of daily usage to notice any effect from Finasteride and Minoxidil. 
If you are planning doing a HT you should start taking them asap.

I had FUT and there’s really no need to be affraid of the scar because it’s unnoticeable unless you cut your hair with a Number 2 or 1 razor. 

We all have a limited supply of donor area and FUT allows us to optimize our donor area because it removes a strip and the Doctor uses all grafts in that strip.

Considering you are pretty much a NW7 in need of +7000 grafts everyone will advise you to have FUT because you might find that if you chose  FUE you won’t have enough donor area to achieve a decent result.

Even if you take Finasteride there’s a chance you hairloss will progress which means you might need more donor area available for another surgery in 10 years. 

Dr. Muresanu at Hattingen Clinic is the obvious choice for your HT if you make the right decision and go with FUT.

If you are dead set on FUE then Dr. Sethi at Eugenix is the best option for FUE mega sessions and you will surely also need beard grafts to increase density and avoid totally depleting your donor area. 

 

Thank you for the details. I will be checking the doctors that you mentioned.

Regarding Finasteride, do you think the fact that you take it before a HT will make it harder for the doctor? 

I thought that not taking any medication will be better, because the hairloss will stop. Isn't i?

9 hours ago, giegnosiganoe said:

I agree, you should consult with Hattingen clinic. They are very honest and ethical from my experience.

Thank you! Are we talking about http://www.hattingenhair.com/en/contact/?
 

2 hours ago, Gabreille Nelson Mukhia said:

You could have 2 FUE sessions with around 4000 grafts in the first session and maybe more later on. Provided your beard is of an average density.

I have seen cases like yours. It is possible to achieve a decent coverage with adequate density over two sittings.

Thank you so much for this positive post! I really appreciate it! 

11 hours ago, giegnosiganoe said:

Can't really comment on the donor. Your hair is too long so it's impossible to see what the density is like.

I would highly suggest 1) getting on finasteride to see if you can recover any hair or strengthen your donor, and 2) shave your head so that you can see if you like it and so that we can see your donor better.

1. Even if I'm planning to get a hair transplant, it's still recommended? Because, I want to avoid the side effect and also taking drugs for the rest of my life.

2. I tried it in the past, but I didn't like it, I was waiting for my 30 to start looking around for a hair transplant.

2 hours ago, Portugal25 said:

@Sbiza you should definitely start taking Finasteride to strengthen your donor area and stop your hairloss. You should also apply minoxidil spray every night. 

Dr. Sethi at Eugenix is the best for FUE mega sessions. 

I tried minoxidil in the past with no success. Since I'm planning to have a hair transplant, I'm not sure if it's a good idea, isn't it?

59 minutes ago, deitel130 said:

You may want to just focus on front and mid and get some good coverage there first. I would start with FUT and only after maximum grafts used them switch to FUE

So, I'm planning to do the front and mid to cover it in the first place, but I rather go with FUE than FUT because I want to avoid the big scare, which is the reason why I'm asking if it's possible to avoid the FUT.

Thank you everyone! 

58 minutes ago, Portugal25 said:

You need at least 7000 grafts to get a decent result.

I highly advise to have a FUT mega session with Dr. Muresanu at Hattingen Clinic (3.45€/graft). They have done 8000 grafts in one surgery. 

If you are dead set on FUE you should book Dr. Sethi at Eugenix (2.9€/graft for the premium package with Dr. Sethi involved in the whole surgery).

Thank you for the suggestions! I want the last scare possible, that's why I want the FUE.

The question is, is the FUE possible in my case? The doctor that I had a visit with him, he was insisting about the FUT and he said that it's not possible to do a 3,000 grafts via FUE in my case.

27 minutes ago, giegnosiganoe said:

Can you share pictures of your donor area?

Sure, here's the donor area. I think that I have a good volume in the back of my head and it's pretty static, it didn't change a lot through the last 2-3 years. Especially that I'm not taking any medication for it.

Thank you!

Hi,

First thing, thank you for taking the time to read my thread.

I have 30 years and I'm willing to do a hair transplant surgery, I started looking around and I went to see a doctor based in my city.

He suggested me to start with a 3,000 grafts using the FUT method, than two additional procedures (FUE) of 1,500 each.

As I don't want to jump in without taking the advice of anyone who went through this, I'm open to have any suggestion/experience/advice from you.

I don't know if it's realistic, but I'm willing to not get an FUT because of the scare, I want to avoid it, which is the reason why I want to have an FUE.

Please find attached a picture of the actual situation of my scalp.

Thank you, cheers!

Thank you so much guys for the answers! I really appreciate all your suggestions!

@Speegs: Thank you, I really appreciate! For finasteride, I saw a lot of people claiming that it's not good, that's why I didn't take it. Also, regarding the FUT and FUE, to be honest, here in Montreal, I don't see any suggestion regarding any doctor. I saw on the forum, a lot of people talking about Dr. Rehal but he's in Toronto and I prefer to have a Dr here in Montreal, in my city, you know it will make things easier, if I need a doctor's consultation

@AMR1: To be honest with you, I'm really afraid of the scar, because usually they take a lot (especially in my case) and I don't want to lose the elasticity of my skin you know, maybe now I will not feel it because I'm still young, but in the long run, it scares me a bit

Thank you again guys, it's the first time that I talk about it and you made me feel comfortable about it, I usually avoid it the subject even with my family..

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer me!

I tried short hair but to be honest I don't like it..

Is the FUE not recommended for my situation? I mean, I want to avoid the scar

Sure! Here you go guys!

I hope that you can advise me..

Hi everyone,

I'm a M, suffering of hair loss since my 18 years old, I tried a several medication but as you know.. No results.

I have 28 years old now and to be honest, I can't handle it anymore, I'm trying to hide it everyday but, it's exhausting me and I'm super frustrated due of this issue, I like my hair and I'm differently not able to accept my situation.

I'm living in Montreal, Canada, and I would like to know if something can be done. Please suggest anything, I'm considering surgery but I don't want to deal with the wrong person, I want to fix the situation and start a new life and get back all what I lost.

Any suggestion, review or comment will be more than welcome.

Thanks everyone, I appreciate.

Cordially