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Obviously, I'd rather there be no shed! I have noticed some come out when I rub my minoxidil in, only 1-3 though per session.

Barely touching. I wash with baby shampoo 1-2x/day and that's where I do a VERY light massage, only "with the grain"

I'm going three weeks strong from my last day of surgery (4-day FUE w/ Keser) and have had minimal falling out plus some growth. I'm just wondering what timeline I should be expecting based on others experiences. I know 2-3 weeks from surgery is the boilerplate language most people say.

All amounts are in Euros.

Hi everyone, I just wanted to update this thread that I chose Dr. Keser. I will be posting updates over here: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/186699-2250-grafts-dr-keser-2017-a.html

It should be performed over 4 days, I'm already anxious to see results!

Hi everyone, I am undergoing a hair transplant of approximately 2250 grafts with Dr. Keser tomorrow. I posted my original thoughts on physician choice in this thread: http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/186220-medicalfue-koksal-vs-hakan-doganay-new-post.html Up to this point my experience has been fairly positive. Communication with Dr. Keser's representative, Ozgur has generally been good, but is sometimes a little slower than the other representatives I spoke to (eg for Doganay and Koksal). Flying into Ankara was fairly easy and pickup with Dr. Keser's driver, Hilmi. I mistakenly went to the international arrivals after transferring through Istanbul and he was kind enough to find me. I'm staying at the King Hotel, which is simple and nice. I thought I would post some "before" photos to get this thread started. I will post more tomorrow after my head is buzzed and hopefully get some high quality pictures in for comparison. Looking forward to the journey!

who did you have your second surgery with? have you been satisfied with the results?

Yeah, I guess that sounds odd. He was in front of me walking off of the plane and he wore his hair on the back super short, like 0.5 cm or a 1 on the buzzer. I could see what looked like FUE scars/inflammation, so I asked him about it. He opened up to me and actually raved about this guy at medicalFUE Koksal Deniz. He liked that 2 doctors did the operation. I want to thank all of you for your input so far, which has been really valuable. I've been getting my consults back from these surgeons (with grafts numbers) and I've distilled my thinking to what follows. I only need hairline work if that helps people evaluate. Muttalip Keser: Location: Ankara, Turkey (more difficult flight vs Istanbul) Cost: $7,875 for 2250 grafts FUE (3.5 euro/graft). Procedure type: FUE Reputation: Top in Turkey (1T) Notes: Very well-regarded. Have not seen any negative experiences. Does entire procedure himself. Does not employ any nurses, assistants, techs, etc. Only does 700 grafts per day. All grafts are manually extracted. Been doing FUE since 2003. Surgery will be spread over 4-5 days. Final thoughts: I think he represents the closest thing to a “sure thing”. You know exactly who will be working on you, not rolling the dice on what tech will be there that day. Koray Erdogan Location: Istanbul, Turkey Cost: $7000 for 2800 grafts FUE. $8400 for unshaven FUE. Procedure type: FUE Reputation: Top in Turkey (1T) Notes: Uses a manual punch, but techs perform the extractions. Unclear what parts of the operation he performs. Mainly known for his use of “dense-packing” of the hairs to create a more natural looking hairline (also the reason for the high number of grafts quoted). Final thoughts: Seems like he runs a very well-oiled machine, but uses lots of techs in the process. No negative reviews out there, but seems like a little bit of a factory. Hakan Doganay Location: Istanbul, Turkey Cost: $5,000 for 2500 grafts FUE. $6250 for manual punch FUE. Procedure type: FUE (will also allow me to not shave recipient area) Reputation: Mixed Notes: Used to be regarded as one of the top two or three in Turkey. However, 2 years ago he started having complaints on the forums. He started having technicians perform the implantations. An ex-employee said that he was also re-using needles (after sterilization) used for the extractions to save money. He has agreed to do all of the implantations himself in my case. Uses a micro-motor for extraction rather than manual punch. Final thoughts: Could be an opportunity to have the attention of a master at a good price. If he knows I am a doctor maybe I'll have some more attention due to professional courtesy. I'll also be documenting the experience on some of the forums, and maybe he will be likely to behave well. Koksal Deniz Location: Istanbul, Turkey Cost: $2100 for 2000 grafts FUE. Procedure type: FUE Reputation: Very little known. Notes: This is the surgeon who performed the operation on the man I met. He had about 6000 grafts done, which is one of the reasons I think he opted for this guy (flat rate and will agree to a lot of grafts). Says that extractions are performed with needles less than 0.5mm. Final thoughts: I know I saw a real patient (with a great result after 6000(!) grafts), but feels like I’m taking a bit of a chance here. Seems very tech-heavy, but without the extensive number of reviews Erdogan has. His rep says that he trained with Levent Acar. Overall, I'm leaning towards Keser despite the higher price and the worse flight for me. It seems that with him I know what I'm buying at least. I understand Erdogan has more results posted, but I also think he has an extensive marketing team and I'm not sure how unbiased the reviews I'm seeing online are. I'm betting that there's a lot of great surgeons out there that we never give a chance because we don't want to take a chance on something we have to wear on our forehead every day for our lives, I get that. It just seems like as a community we're missing out on some good talent (how I feel Koksal Deniz could be).

Thanks mikeyhwk, I emailed Erdogan and Keser, but after 3 days their offices have not gotten back to me (I know that's not a lot of time). Keser and Maras at 3.5 euro per graft are quite expensive. I have also heard that Erdogan does not perform the operation himself, so I am a bit scared of being in the hands of the wrong tech. Is this true about Erdogan? Doganay has agreed to do the entire procedure himself in my case. Would that change your opinion?

Hi everyone, I've decided to get a hair transplant in April. I ran into one of Dr. Koksal's patients in the airport and thought that he had a great result (~6000 grafts he said). I consulted with medicalFUE (Koksal) and Doganay. I was quoted 2100 euro by Koksal for 2000 grafts and 2 euro/graft by Doganay for 2500 grafts (5000 euro). Here's a list of pros and cons I could see for Koksal: Pros - Met a real patient with a good result, was very happy with it. - He and his wife (also a surgeon) perform all of the implantations, although Doganay does too. - less expensive and slightly more responsive - offers platelet rich plasma injection included in price ( although I bet that doesn't do anything) - Dr Hakan Doganay has had several bad reviews in the past few years and concerns about reusing needles. http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/184099-bad-result-dr-hakan-doganay-3200-grafts.html Cons - Less well established - Not a member of the international society of hair restoration surgery - Fewer reviews online - One review online shows he created a hairline that looked essentially straight no slight recession at the temples, which looks unnatural on a man. Does anyone have experience with Koksal or MedicalFUE who could help guide this decision?

Hi swoop, I am scheduling a transplant with Doganay and was wondering if you could remember or find out the name of the technician in your procedure?