HCH

Honestly, this is a poor result from Eugenix. I am surprised no one is criticizing them so far.

The good thing is they offer him a touch-up but still it's a waste of valuable grafts.  

3 hours ago, JohnBob said:

Don't have an answer for you but guys with a hair loss pattern similar to yours are usually the ones that respond better to finasteride. Have you though about trying topical dutasteride? There is some anedoctal evidence in the forums that it's more potent and has less side effects than fina, oral or topical. 

By the way, have you noticed any improvements after you started micro needling and minoxidil? 

Thanks Jhon, actually i found an Italian pharmaceutical company that produces topical fin but it's too expensive 100 euro/ bottle. Do you know any topical Dutasteride that can be shipped online? unfortunately, it's not available here in Dubai. 

As for your last point, yes there is some improvement in the crown and the hair has thicken-up a little bit. See below my before and after photos. 

Last month i started crushing 8 mg fin and mixing them with Min. Not sure if it will work 😂

Gents,

I reached out to Dr. Pekiner and Erdogan, both of them recommended to use fin for 6 months and then re-evaluate my case. It seems they want to check the response for medication even though i mentioned clearly i had some side effects after 2 months using it.

Any thoughts on this? Am i taking a big risk while i am not on fin? 

What an an amazing result !! Congrats bro 🙂

did you also transplant the crown or it's just the effect of fin?

I all depends on your current age and family history. please share some pics to assess your situation.

BTW, Yaman tends to overharvest the donor area and take from the unsafe zone.

Happy New Year guys

I always get excited when i see NW6+ posting their results as not too many clinics are able to produce good work.

Thanks SLA, it's good if the clinic can update us on the progress so we don't assume it was a failure God forbid.

There are at least 6 to 8 potential patients for Eugenix here who are just waiting to get it done once the tourist visa is open.

Dr. Anil, we are curious to see your final result. 

Hope you're satisfied and enjoying your new look

On 11/9/2020 at 4:32 AM, Lb25 said:

Hello everyone,

sorry for the late reply. This has been a crazy week. On top of this I have to deal with other hassles. I have sent the clinic a well-written email threatening to sue as some of you have suggested and I also texted one of the doctors who at least respectful and nice. The other doctor that operated on me called because I think the first one informed him of how dissatisfied I am to say the least. The second doctor actually  was very rude to me and rather aggressive trying to convince me that what he did is a good job. He wouldn't even let me speak so at the end I told him that you're being very disrespectful and I am done speaking to you and hung up. Both actually have tried to convince me that what they have done is and I quote "a great job". Indeed, as one of you have said, how can they sleep at night? This world is full of nasty people, but let's not dwell on that because it's depressing..

I sent another email today as well to the clinic with a much angrier and more assertive tone. It's sunday so I expect them to reply or call tomorrow or during next week. The CEO/Founder of the clinic  is a well-known lady (were a very small country relatively) who also owns one of the biggest pharmacists in the country. I hope she's as reasonable as she seems and will do what's right before this escalates to a lawsuit. My brother is a lawyer with a lot of connections so I have that going on for me at least.

As for revealing the name, I will eventually because I sure do not want anyone else ever to experience this. I am usually a very shy and reserved person who doesn't like confrontation but I will not hold back until I get a full refund. I am however currently using what they think is a good reputation to put pressure on them because I threatened them to go on every social media that ever existed and sue them both here and in Dubai (the lady has interests there too) even if it's the last thing I do on earth. 

I will update you soon and upload more photos. I am just so tired at this point as I am also dealing with other personal and family issues. How lucky I am this year! it's been horrible for a lot of people too I have to admit. 

Your support means a lot, really. Thank you! Speak soon.

hope you're feeling better now. i guess you should reveal the clinic name, this is a fraud !

If not mistaken, this is Joelle clinic right?

Hey Mate, i am so curious to see your final result.

Hope you are satisfied and enjoying you new head of hair🙂

Hey mate, hope you're happy with your result.

it would be appreciated if you can update us on your progress

Thanks a lot, i found one source but it's too expensive 100 euro/ bottle 🙄

Are you also considering a hair transplant with Eugenix? it sucks tourist visas are still suspended.

7 minutes ago, deitel130 said:

I agree with the approach to focus on frontal third for now. Since temple points and hairline is also being lowered a lot of grafts would go into that. Personally I would lower the hairline to half of what you have drawn in the pic as it will require a good number of grafts for acceptable density otherwise you will be unhappy. I do agree that Eugenix would be a good choice due to the fact they have good experience with using beard hair if needed. Also, if you can get your hands in topical Finasteride that will be helpful and strengthen your existing hair and reverse some miniaturization. Best of luck and let us know how things go.

Thanks mate for your advice. Actually i am still unconvinced on the suggested number of grafts but the Dr. said she will only implant the bald area with a density of 40 - 45 grafts/ cm2 🤔 

Anyway, i am not aiming for a high density and my priority is to lower my hairline with minimum 9 cm height as my forehead is really too big.

The final design will be confirmed during the operation day or the day before.

As for the topical fin, do you have any resource for a gel brand ? I don't like the mixed one (min +fin) as the dosage is very low 0.1%. 

On 12/18/2020 at 2:53 PM, HCH said:

Hello Gents,

After 5 years of HT research, it's time to take a decision that might be a big failure or success.

Hence, i am would like to hear your biased opinion and recommendation.

Clinics Consultation:

1. Eugenix (In person consultation) : Dr. Pradeep suggested 2200 grafts for the hairline (frontal 1/3) and 1500 for the crown (attached pics for hairline design)
2. Dr. Konior (online consultation) : 3000 grafts for the hairline (frontal 1/3); Crown can be done in a 2nd sitting after 6 to 12 months.
3. HLC (online consultation): 3800 - 4200 for the hairline (frontal 1/3) and giving more density for the frontal half.
4. Dr. Pekiner (online consultation): Rejected my case due to diffuse thinning on top, insufficient donor and probably retrograde alopecia/ DUPA
5. Dr. Yaman (online consultation) : 4000 grafts for the hairline and mid scalp (see attached pics for hairline design)
6. Dr. Bhatti (online consultation): He suggested 3500 - 4000 scalp & beard grafts for the hairline and mid scalp but wasn't sure about my donor or confident for a good result.
7.  Dr. Bicer (online consultation): 3200 - 3400 grafts for the hairline and mid scalp; crown can be done in a 2nd sitting 

Current Medication:

Minoxidil 5% twice a day since 1 year

Micro-needling 1.5mm once a week since 1 year

Saw palmetto 320 mg one tablet a day since 1 month

Perfectil multivitamin 1 tablet a day since 1 year

Vitamin D3 5000 IU 1 tablet a day since 2 years

 

Thanks in advance for your contribution. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello guys,

Re-attaching my pics as it was delete it by mistake.

I had another consultation with Dr. Arika and we agreed to reconstruct the hairline and temples only which will need between 1800 - 2200 grafts.

The crown area will remain untouched at this stage. According to her, any implantation between the native hairs will be too risky and may lead to permanent shock loss. 

As such, i have changed my regimen and added fin 2mg/week + saw palmetto 320 mg 1 tablet/day to strengthen may native hairs. Hopefully i won't get any side effects with low dose fin.

On a side note Dr. Pekiner is still insisting to start on fin and reassess the situation after 6 months. he would like to check the response of medication pre-op.

Happy to hear your opinions and comments

Cool, it's very important to stick with your medication so you can get the best result.

Happy growing

It looks excellent and super clean, your donor looks untouched 👌

Did the Dr. prescribe you Finasteride?

Looking good, just be patient it's a matter of time before you enjoy your new head of hair 

Keep us updated with your progress !

Thanks for sharing, you're in the right track. It's about time now so chill and wait for your new head of hair coming soon ✌️

7 hours ago, dobler said:

Done 2 of them. 1st in 2016 2900 frontal third. 2nd in 2017 2800 crown area.

You can find some more details in my posts.

After reading your post, the 1st advice i should expect from you "shave it and own it" 

Still can't believe how did you loose all the transplanted hairs in such a short period. if your scalp is healthy then definitely HTs are false.

13 hours ago, dobler said:

You are a very good candidate, your donor is great, and you are almost 40. So it's a good sign.

You can get your hair back. Good luck!

Thanks Dobler, i don't have high expectations. if i can have some coverage in the front that would be great.

Have you done any HT ?

Happy to hear that you're satisfied, it really looks amazing and natural result.

Would it be possible to share some photos for the donor and crown? did you see any difference in your native hair after using fin?

On 12/19/2020 at 4:07 PM, DrTBarghouthi said:

I did not spot whether you mentioned your current age or not. I would definitely focus on the frontal (no hair area) and also adding density to your Mid scalp region. The crown can be done depending on your age or simply work in the front part of it and leave a naturally thin area in the actual crown. I think the frontal empty area will require around 2200-2500 grafts depending on your hair average. The Midscalp will take around 800-1000 grafts of added density. This would be the priority at this stage. Ofcourse the crown can be addressed conservatively too. 

Thanks Dr. for taking the time to read and comment on my thread.

I am 38 yrs now and as you mentioned the crown is not my priority for now. Not sure if you have seen the hairline design which is dropped by 2 cm.

In your experience, what's the size of the marked zone in the attached pic? i guess it's around 70 to 80 cm2 so if the Dr. is aiming for a density of 40-45 grafts/cm2 then he will need minimum 3000 grafts. Does it make sense?

On 12/19/2020 at 11:47 AM, plus said:

Just grow your hair longer and use toppik for a few more years. I think it would look great because that's one of the perks of diffuse thinning: you can create an illusion of density easily. If you grow it long enough you can even lower your hairline by letting the hair sleep onto the forehead.

After some more years you can revisit hair tranplant. You'd also be more sure about donor thinning then.

Nice idea Plus, i never used toppik  

My main problem is that my hairline and temples have receded dramatically. Actually i don't have a hairline to grow 😂  

I attached one pic with longer hair.

3 hours ago, Gatsby said:

Yes I admit 2,200 does sound light for coverage of a full frontal half however Eugenix appear to have nailed the art of using less grafts to achieve the illusion of more coverage obtained. Is Dr Pradeep planning to use grafts solely from scalp grafts? I know Eugenix heavily recommend the use of finasteride for life regardless of one's hair loss and I have noted you are unable to use this. Perhaps Dr Pradeep is thinking of retaining your finite graft supply for the future if required? The final point though is that you have to feel 100% confident and and on track with whichever surgeon you choose. So bear this in mind if you go ahead with a hair transplant and remember that you should be made to feel that you can never ask enough questions with your surgeon. That in itself is as important as the procedure itself is. Wishing you all the best.

Appreciate your input Gatsby, yes he will only use scalp grafts. Actually, i didn't have enough time to discuss his plan in details as he was in a visit to Dubai and i got the chance to meet him in person. For now tourist visas to India are suspended so i am taking my time to search and come out with a proper plan. I believe he's planning for a light coverage that matches my existing hair probably 40-45 grafts/cm2. he will only implant the frontal 1/3 without touching the mid scalp but still i think 2200 grafts for the marked zone is not enough. If you do the calculation it will cover maximum 50 cm2.

Anyway, i will call him again to better understand his approach.

19 minutes ago, Gatsby said:

HCH you appear to have very realistic expectations and being able to have an in person consultation with Dr Pradeep is a big plus compared to online, etc. I think the plan that you and Dr Pradeep have is a very good one as you always need to plan surgery/s for over the lifespan and plan to being a Norwood 6 whether one will head that way or not. You are correct that Eugenix do great work in the higher Norwood end and you will be in good hands. Wishing you all the best whichever way you go.

Thanks Gatsby, you're right the in person consultation is totally different.

My plan actually is a bit different than what Dr. Pradeep suggested as i am thinking to only do the frontal half with 3000 to 3500 grafts and keep the crown for a later stage. i don't wanna end up with a hairline and an island in the crown if i lose my mid scalp native hair which most probably will happen in the future.

Any thoughts on this? don't you think 2200 grafts for the frontal area is very less?