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EpilepticSceptic - you still here ?

if grafts are easily split then this doubles the cost!!! not to mention the poor guys who will have thinner hair but have to pay more than a guy who had the same number but the untis where not split....

dnt get me wrong splitting grafts to insert in the hair line is a must but splitting to increase graft numbers for financial gain is wrong......

i feel this process as it stands is very much open to be exploited in the pricing of HT's

I tried to promote the idea of the HTN getting a standardized report going - starting with Coalition doctors. See this thread .....

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/157651-scientifically-objectifying-hair-transplant-surgery.html

in the Dr's defence , if the patient gets 2000 single hairs / grafts in stead of 3-4 hair grafts , perhaps less hair but a better natural looking result ?

Johnny - If the doctor decides to use singles (in the hairline for example) he will simply have the techs (where possible) dissect the multiples to make them into singles. On average a graft contains 2.3 hairs.......it would not occur that donor strip would produce 2000 singles naturally. More likely a combination or 1, 2s, 3s and 4s.

Thinnest beanie you can find. Soft cotton is best & get a size that's loose fitting on your noggin. I get mine from surf or snowboard shops as I'm big into both.

I felt so comfortable in mine I went shopping straight after one of my surgeries. Also, if you get an itch you can just gently press the soft hat rather than having to take it off.

Good luck.

I have a question about these types of HT's, not to be rude because I am simply staying the obvious

 

Doesn't this look un-natural? The very first photo is what is killing me when I see this. I want to say this is a success, but while I would be comfortable having people look at me while I'm facing them, I would be really conscious about people look at the back of my head.

 

He should get a 2nd transplant in the mid scalp, throw another 3000 grafts there so when he does come his hair back, it's more natural looking

 

This type of hair loss progression worries me because I wonder if I'm going to have to do a combover like that in the future...

 

Anyone think the same thing? or are my expectations too high?

I agree that this design is not complete at this stage. Advanced MPB cannot often be addressed well IMO with one pass. Look at Bill - 4 times was the charm and he still hints he wants more

Could it be that some people just don't think most HT hairlines look really natural ? There are certain things that just make it not 100% perfect. For example:

- hair-line hair has different characteristics than donor hair.

- follicles in HTs are not planted as deeply as naturally occurring follicles.

Hairlines are the most critical and difficult zones to address - for some eyes anything below 100% is way off.

Many people think that a new hairline adds such a cosmetic boost that they are ok that it may not meet the "as nature herself would sign off on" standard. John may simply be one of those people whose needs cannot be met by a modern HT.

If that is the case then he really had no alternative other than going bald. And as that will now not happen - we will never know if he would have been happier.

One day HTs (in some treatment combo) will give back a full head of hair. I doubt it will help any of us here today but only then will you have a really happy recipient (no pun intended) population.

Until then, for many its better than the alternative but still not enough to meet their criteria for "problem solved".

There are no certainties in this field, but based on the usual timeline you will see further thickening in the months to come. 5 months is considered to be early days.

BTW I believe that Matt is referring to no certainties in terms of growth timeline vs. no certainties that you will achieve a good result. I suspect this may have freaked you out but could be wrong.

Of course there are no certainties of either (or anything in this thing we call life btw) but I think in this context that is what Matt meant.

Trying to calm you down my only agenda here......to be clear......

You are fine !

Looks like very good density for a HT to me....also why are you spinning at 6 months ? Did you not learn the timeline ? Go to Hasson and Wongs website and look up the HT growth timeline.....

Chill brother !

The only reason that has prevented me from concluding with 100 percent certainty that these products are scam is due to the fact that there is documented proof of laser hair removal actually increasing body hair in some patients.

Completely different laser ! I've had laser hair removal believe me that laser is one bad ass MoFo. Ouch it hurts just thinking about it.

In your case, Propecia might not be necessary but I would definitely talk to you doctor and keep an open mind.

I think you case is very promising due to certain factors. But again, I'm JUST looking at pictures and reading your posts.

No ! It's just that is what my plan was & I never do it. I think it's a hair greed thing coupled with a fear that someone with a keen eye might notice. Once you have more of a hairline you can create the illusion of more hair with forward scruffy styles if you have enough existing hair.

I just would'nt leave the house with my hairline exposed these days. It's all very personal so my comment is somewhat tounge in cheek. Some do and power to them,

I still personally think I could tell a HT hairline if I saw one but as I mentioned in my previous post - I have never seen work up close other than my own. Obviously I'm not going to count the bad jobs we have all unfortunately seen. I saw a guy the other day with very little and conservative work. I spotted it 30 yards away. It looked like pretty nice work - but to me it was so clearly a HT. I'm sure 95% of people would not have a clue.

I have never heard of a "one price - unlimited" before.

Have the doctor use the microscopic camera to check for miniaturization in the crown. That is the only really objective analysis. Drs Rassman and Bernstein believe that by your age (much younger actually) the pattern can be fully determined by a close examination of miniaturization in the various zones. Other coalition doctors completely dispute this.

If your doctor does not check for miniaturization - politely excuse yourself and leave.

If you are really just heading for a NW3 non-vertex then you can be more aggressive in the hairline as I suspect.

I would also guess (and I have absolutely nothing to back this up but a hunch) that once your HT grows in you will not wear your hair back !

Are you on Propecia?

I do not endorse doctors - sorry but that decision is personal. I've had work by only one doctor. I have not even seen another HT in person (that I'd say was good) by my doc or another so I could never really be a fair judge. I've seen loads of really impressive pictures online but pictures are just pictures. Some other members have actually seen other patients & could talk from first hand experience. Happy to answer any other questions that I can from my experience perspective.

Corvettester - I posted my thoughts on your other thread.

As you are asking for opinions of graph count, I would say based on my own experience & me trying to be as thoughtful as I can - 3500 to 4000.

As you have such great hair (other than where it is now completely bald due to recession) in your existing covered frontal hairline, you will need a dense packed hairline to look natural. If a doctor is not aggressive here I think it will look disappointing. I say this from first hand experience and 3 hairline surgeries. Your hairline I'd guess is 25cm (I'm including the temple work needed to get a natural transition too). If you are looking to gain 2 cm at say 70 psqcm = 3500.

Obviously this is my amateur opinion - but I think that's what you asked for.

This is a lot of graphs for a hairline so if your crown is going you have to accept that you will let it. HT is a zero sum game. I chose a natural & dense (in HT terms) hairline over crown vs. average in both. This is due to my personal preference and excellent long term results with Propecia and now Avodart.

70 is dense so it will cause you to have redness for many months so you will have to wear your hair down to cover it. When you bring a hairline down I personally think it is most critical work in a HT. Not much room for error if its to look natural. All ones & a great hairline surgeon is must IMO. I would count on one hand the docs I'd trust to do this.

Hope this helps.

I concur with Hairthere. Certainly, any area that gets dense packing will be visable for 5-6 months IMO & experience.

I can never understand people who have significant work & claim to be back to normal in a couple of weeks. Fortunately, I had hair that could cover the work (hairline in my case). However, if my hair was pulled back you could clearly see the "work zone" !

Ashok - I have never heard of what you refer to. I also never experienced it personally. However, the fact that you discontinued Propecia could be the reason. May I ask why? And if your doctor had any advice pertaining to staying on or getting off Propecia post surgery. Most surgeons are very insistent that patients stay on Propecia.

I have an untouched Laser Haircomb - pay for the shipping and you can have it. That's how much I value the piece of crap!

Maybe the good doctor Lindsey will show how to use it.

a) climb to highest floor in your building

b) open a window

c) losen up shoulder

d) say the words "this is the last time I let desperation make me retarded"

e) you get the picture .....

Happy lasering. ......

Then I'd say you are comparable to me but with less fine hair. I had a 3000 FUG reconstruction of my entire hairline. Hope this helps.

Am I missing something ? Where are the new pics ?

Stopping minaturization = stopping hair-loss. If we could do that we would all be very happy !

Of course what I was trying to ascertain is the extent of your hair-loss??

If you were losing the central core and crown it changes the # of graphs needed. That was your question - correct ?

These photo's make any real analysis difficult other than to ascertain that your have a receded/receding hairline. There are posts that highlight how to take pictures that show hair-loss more accurately.

However, you are in very good shape IMO. You have lots of hair, your med regime is working and your are now in your 30s. Should a HT be in your future, you are also in the right place to ensure you do not make any further F ups.

I would go for a free consultation to multiple HTN patient recommended surgeons and see what they have to say. Consults are fee and they do help you feel like you are doing something. In fact, you are perhaps doing the most important thing that you can do at this stage. Selecting the best strategy and HT doctor for your future.

Good luck.

Who did your 3rd procedure ?

Great advice EpilepticSceptic as usual. Thorough & candid - thanks for helping brother Illuminated out with your sage self !!