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that is not much growth at all and I wud not expect to see much more growth either. 2400 grafts isn't gonna do much for you but it hardly looks like u got 2400 grafts. you need closer to 7000 grafts imo. I wud chose a different surgeon to be honest. I just don't ever see those WOW results from Dr. Bhatti. in fact, I've yet to see even (1) case.

he places the grafts too far from each other and I just don't see any patients with much density. he just doesn't seem to have very good graft survivability rate or he hasn't mastered the technique of placing grafts very close together without shock loss. ur results are pretty common with him to be honest.

I honestly don't see much difference between ur before and current pics.

that post made LOL...... geez sounds like someone has a superiority complex. ill bet more people go to Bosley then any of the top doctors on this site. people are mis informed and they just don't know FUE exists in the first place.

my buddy of 30 years said to me a few months ago that he was thinkn bout goin to Bosley for a HT. I was like WAT!!!

I had to set him straight but nonetheless not everyone who gets a HT comes to this or any other forum to learn so ignorance is why, not informed decision making.

my buddy had no idea wat FUE was and he was shocked after we talked and he said he was glad he didn't go thru with it cause now he can have a scarless HT or shud I say VISIBLE scarless....HT but he was pissed they didn't tell him that procedure exists.

cause FUT doctors think its the better procedure which is why u have to be ur own advocate and educate urself when having surgery done to ur scalp.

Oh your cousin told you, sorry it must be correct information then. You are wrong, insulin levels in the blood are directly related to cell repair through the body, thats why HIV sufferers use peptides and they survive a lot longer you douch! i think you are a few sandwiches short of a picnic Busa.

 

If it promotes cell repair it would aid the healing process of the grafts you thicko.

I can tell u why cause you are clueless or maybe you think ur smarter then the rest of the doctors on the planet and have now discovered the new "Snake oil".....lmao!

once again Einstein CELL repair means MUSCLE cell repair NOT hair follicle growth. smh some ppl will believe anything they read on the internet.

thats why HIV patents use peptides? peptide inhibitors prevent the virus from entering lymphocytes and macrophages. has nothing to do with cellular growth or repair. dude, ur really starting to sound stupid now. quit while ur behind for christs sake smh

and just for the record moron HIV patients use peptides such as Egrifta (you have NO idea wat Egrifta is either so u might wanna google that one too) to reduce visceral fat around their organs. nice try googling peptides in attempt to make urself look smart.... u made a fool out of urself actually. congratulations!

I agree with mac go to Europe for better results and cheaper

BUT..... if ur gonna stay here for watever reason then id look at Vorhies. $4.00 per graft. innovative and willing to learn to get better. he's the real deal imo. and only does FUE and he's pretty aggressive and packs in the grafts pretty tight.

there are others that are probably just as good but cost 2 sometimes 3X as much.

First of all, calm down, its not that serious. Second, how do you know FUT doesn’t produce better results? And third, the docs who do FUE do so to satisfy clients who don’t want a scar, not necessarily because they think it’s a better density harvest than FUT. If FUT produced less density than FUE then why don’t FUT docs get on the FUE bandwagon?

 

But I admit I did talk to a Rahal rep. I asked him which was better. He said both produce equal results with FUE costing more than FUT. This is somewhat strange but will follow up with him or another rep just to confirm.

I get that u have long hair so its less of a concern from now. yes FUE will cost more. FUT doctors don't get on the band wagon simply because they don't want to take the time to learn a new procedure. FUT is easier to perform and takes less time.

I get it its ur decision I'm jus sayn why risk the scar? u probably won't have any issues with the scar but 1 in 5 do. do u wanna be the 1? but I'm telln ya Rahal is correct both will produce the same results essentially.

good luck with watever decision u make. its ur head, ur money and ur choice. I hope it works out for u either way cause we all know how much it fukn sux losing ur hair which means ur confidence as well usually.

You didn't read my last post. My aim is to get the most density possible. If FUT delivers greater hair survival than FUE, then thats what counts in my case. Like I said in my prior post, I got long hair in the back. That being the case, 6 months post op, the long hair in the back will have grown long to conceal any scar.

 

So why do docs and patients overwhelmingly say that FUT possesses a greater survival rate than FUE? Are you saying that the docs with years of experience with both FUE and FUT are wrong? If thats what youre saying, then what are your medical credentials to back up such a claim?

why is that Erdogan, Lorenzo and Maras who are considered probably the 3 top doctors on the planet all perform FUE? u think its because FUT produces better results. it doesn't. if it did they wud be exclusively doing FUT. their not. their exclusively performing FUE.

wat wud make u think carving a huge chunk of flesh from the back of ur scalp wud be the preferred way to go? cause some FUT doctor told u so? doctors prefer FUT cause its easier to perform and isn't as labor intensive. time is money. u wanna be that sucker then go for it! its ur head and ur money.

but just know ur NOT gonna get better yield with FUT if u go to a top FUE doctor but you will absolutely be left with an ear to ear scar on the back of head looking like u just auditioned for a horror flic!

Here's a hard fact for ya - when I am dead and lying in my coffin, my loved ones and friends will see a nice hairline and the gorgeous face I see everyday - not the scar in the back of my long haired head. I got other scars anyway from a year in SEA in 1969.

just not a risk worth taking wen FUE can yield 7000-8000 grafts these days with ZERO chance of visible scaring and physiology plays no role in FUE. and the yield is nearly identical no matter wat the pro FUT guys claim. the same cannot be said for FUT which is why its a roll of the dice for many.

like I've said many times before you will NEVER see someone coming up here to have their FUE transplant fixed by an FUT doctor will ya?

I jus can't get over wat clinics are charging for essentially tattooing ones head with the same color with little dots. the pricing is just comical!

the FUT scar is a reality no matter wat others tell u. patients post somthn monthly looking for solutions to repair or camouflage their FUT scar. save urself the misery and regret and go FUE.

I don't care how thin the scar is and it aint that thin even with a good one but ull never b able to shave ur head down without seeing it. who wants a scar from ear to ear on the back of their head? mite look great for a while but if ur hair thins it WILL become very noticeable! sorry but those are the hard facts.....

I wud give Dr. Vorhies a call. he is in south carolina. his pricing is the most reasonable in the states and he does excellent FUE.

Busa, I have taken igf lr3 before and insulin growth factor promotes cell growth and repair throughout the body, including skin, not just muscle, i think you should do some more research on the effects of igf on body.

 

I will post the graft percentage success rate of my fue grafts that take and the healing process.

 

As the post indicates I am speaking about igf1 lr3. Not des and have no idea what l3 is unless you are referring to lr3 (long r3).

my cousin has his Pro Card IFBB as a professional body builder and uses everything you can think of. we have discussed this in length and I can assure you he is far smarter then you wen it comes to IGF. it will do NOTHING for ur hair follicles.

stop reading internet articles and thinking IGF-1 is gonna be some miracle hair grower. wake up dude! don't u think if there was evidence of this EVERY hair transplant doctor wud be recommending it? u don't need a prescription for it. no one is recommending it other then YOU! you don't see the problem here?

ur giving out bad info that is misleading. quit while you are behind!

widen ur horizon. there are far batter choices out there. don't be one of those suckers who thinks he has to stay local to get a HT. Diep is pretty good but his prices are laughable! and steer clear of FUT!

Hi, I dont think you understand. I'm electing to go the FUT route. That eliminates FUE or docs that perform FUE. Its generally established that FUT generates better hair survival after harvest and therefore greater density yield. I dont plan to shave the back of my head since I've always looked good with long hair (in the style of Antonio Banderas or Duran Duran) and will continue to grow it long.

I don't see evidence of that today. ppl can make that argument all they want but FUE these days consistently produces 5000-6000 grafts which is just as many as you see from FUT doctors performing strip these days.

1 out every 50 strip procedures will have a disfiguring scar. its a barbaric procedure and completely goes against the first rule in medicine which is "Do no harm". the strip procedure grew directly out of the crude punch graft procedure. its simply a crude variation and evolution of the punch which is why the majority of ppl on this forum chose FUE not FUT.

not to mention the number of grafts destroyed taking a scalpel to the back of ur head and carving out a chunk of flesh. yes grafts are destroyed when u cut the scalp to remove the flesh containing grafts so watever yield u think FUT gives u by saving grafts is canceled out by the number of grafts destroyed getting them.

the yield from a top FUE doctor is over 95%. ur not gonna get any better yield with FUT yet you risk the dreaded tell take strip scar as a result.

if ur reason for not wanting FUE is because u need to shave ur head down in that area then I wud say u have ur priorities backwards. ur hair will grow back after being shaved. the scar you will have for a lifetime!

lorenzo has hundreds of hd comb through videos and whilst I agree some of his hairline designs are concervative , there must be a reason he follows this protocol

I guess you missed my case. I've had about 6000 in the crown that looked like his at the start. His is thicker than mine is now even after all the grafts I had. This is an impressive result and wish I had went with this doctor for my first crown procedure.

Mine is a Turkish doctor (mentioning his name will ensure that my post would need to get approved for some reason). He asked me to stay off Minox a week prior to surgery. That's all.

 

Anybody else, please?

yea, i was thinking that as well. I read igf1 promotes cell repair though, it would be an interesting test...

 

i am going to try it, i will post the results.

 

My thinking is it will increase the percentage of grafts that take.

 

thanks

wat results are u going to post? are u planning on getting two separate hair transplants and seeing which one has better graft survival?

and ifg-1 is different then L3 and its also different then DES.

looks good. another round of 800-1000 grafts to the crown shud complete him.

Its not apples and oranges. What are you talking about? If strip offers better density than FUE then strip is the best solution. The point is to get the best solution for the scalp, no matter what procedure is involved. Bottom line, men's objective in HTs is hair density. It doesnt matter where I go or what the procedure. As long as I get the best treatment, thats what counts.

 

then you will need MORE FUE grafts to fill in ur strip scar so FUT is NOT the best solution period!

Busa ...

How can you tell this Pt never had shocloss prior before the 8 month pic?

If the roots weren't damaged during slit placement then it should come back. but if those hairs were dieing due to MPB it could seal their fate.

the end result shows no permenant signs of shock loss damage.

pictures are too dark and too far away to show anything

do more research. why are you only looking at strip? id go to H&W myself for strip but I wudnt do strip at all.

I appreciate your reply. But there are 2 problems with your response. First, no HT doc can guarentee any result. Second, I've seen Hasson and Rahal to me seems to be a bit better in terms of density.

thats about the most grafts I've seen in the crown area. ur ability to place grafts in-between native hairs without shock loss is impressive.

go a little south and check out Vorhies. he does excellent FUE work and is probably the cheapest FUE doctor in the states producing good results on a constant basis.

steer clear from Artas. and forget those that Dabble in FUE and have a plastic surgery clinic. that will be the worst mistake u ever make in ur life! anyone who practices anything other then FUE u need to steer clear from.

never even heard of who ur referring to. don't be a fool! find a doctor that SPECIALIZES in FUE and FUE only!