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And again, I strongly suspect that HIS does not employ a true permanent smp method based on their own clients reporting fading. At this link:(link removed by moderator)

one of the HIS Forums most popular diary posters has reported significant fading after just 2 years post smp. Look at the photos he posted on posts #13, #15, #16. These photos look just like a bald guy who has never even had SMP.

. What do you do in the summer when you go to the beach ? Cover your whole head with sun block?

 

As far as Matt's technique, I really don't know the technicality or semantics as to his approach, the kind of ink/pigment (should I ask?) when I see him Thursday?

 

Here is Day 5. It is darker in person, but the dots shrunk. No more redness. Again another selfie with the lighting, bad picture taking.

Anytime my head will be exposed to sunlight for more than 30 minutes, before I go outside I put sunscreen spf 50 on my entire head, after it dries I put on an Under Armor skull cap, and on top of that I put on a hat or baseball cap. Maybe seems like overkill but I havent had any fading to date.

Yes you should ask Matt the exact pigment he uses and other details. Many people do not realize this, but it is actually your right as a client to possess a copy of your chart. Your chart should include all details of your SMP treatment, including Pigment brand and type-(inorganic or orgainic, iron oxides etc.), Needle details etc. If a Clinic refuses you this information they could actually be sued. Most people don't know they have rights to this.

It looks good in the pic, especially after only one session. I think hairline looks fine, I wouldn't mess with it, but it is your head and the only opinion that matters is your own.

Hey I wouldn't be so dramatic lol, I am a HIS forum member, you have to admit they have a plethora of information for people who don't know about SMP.

 

I can only speak for myself but I represent me only. I cannot see a company like HIS having shills unless I am oblivious. Arguably, they are the biggest SMP racket on the market now and from what I have seen their marketing skills are good, but what your telling me their approach is more temporary etc.

LOL wasn't being dramatic, just stating a fact. Yes HIS has some really good marketing, part of the reason they are leading by a large margin. I don't know if HIS' approach is more temporary, I am simply guessing that it is based on their many clients who report significant fading in short periods of time post smp.

The dots will become smaller? Really? Can you explain what you mean? All I can figure out from this statement is you think the addition of SMP will give an illusion of density, thereby making the dots look smaller. However, what makes you think future sessions will result in the addition of ink being anything other than the size dots that are already there?

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Wylie, I am not sure how familiar you are with HIS hair's smp work, but their top US practitioner is now doing SMP at Headstrong, the place Thunder went to, so I have a hunch that Headstrong uses essentially the same method as HIS and creates very similar results. HIS hair produces dots that are quite large initially, but it has been well documented that they shrink significantly within 3-5 weeks. Don't ask me to explain why this is. I have a good idea of the science behind it and could ramble off a bunch of Macrophage immune cell autonomic responses, but in all honesty I don't know why HIS hair's dots start out large and then shrink and most of the other providers' dots are not large initially. The place I went the dots were just as small initially as they are now.

HIS hair smp work takes quite a few sessions, 4-6 for most men, to get the pigment to "take". Also, most of their clients seem to report significant fading within 1.5 to 3 years. I would imagine that HIS is more of a temporary SMP than permanent, and that might suit some people quite well b/c many do not want it to be permanent. I prefer the permanent SMP that will fade, but not as quickly and completely.

The reason I am mentioning HIS Hair so much as it relates to Thunder and Headstrong, is again b/c it sounds very much like the same method that HIS uses (based on the large dots) especially since HIS's former top USA practitioner, Matt, is performing the SMP.

But I disagree with your opinion and the other gentleman's whose username I can not recall, who both have criticized thunder's results. I think his SMP looks very good at this time for just having had one session. I believe the only question is how long will the smp last before any fading.

 

look forward to seeing your 2nd session photos, i heard thats where the magic happens.

 

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Interesting....The exact mantra that many HIS forum members and HIS forum Shills repeat over and over.

Ken, I couldn't agree with you more, seeing it in person is paramount. A lot of people on the HIS forum love to criticize and theorize about the if's and what's but they won't get up and go see it in person.

 

I am intrigued by your opinion/theory about HIS Hair and their fading rate, return of customers, lasting SMP results. I know we started out as your theory of me being a company lackey lol but truly, giving Matt credit, everyone I had met offline was done by Matt, and the longest lasting result that still looked good after three treatment was three years.

 

I am not sure when Matt made the transition at HIS from practitioner to HIS Administrative (Not sure what title he held). I will tell you that Matt does things differently, and the way he is going about my sessions is a polar opposite of what you described at HIS. I am excited to see what my after session 2 will look like.

 

Quality control. Seriously, contacting England every time there is a problem ? That is where the calls are routed too, you cannot contact the clinic directly, that kind of turned me off. That and as you mentioned the practitioner placement and not knowing their resume.

 

At the behest of not sounding like I am selling the company I went too, because I am not, Matt is well known as I have seen in person the results of his work. He is good, and his resume is basically online, I guess HIS can't let go lol. I am happy so far as it is a change in how I looked before, for the better. I don't want multiple people working on my head, I want one practitioner to see my sessions from start to finish.

 

I can imagine the millions HIS makes, and my hearts go out reading the stories on the forum of men who have traveled and spent so much money only to not be happy, so their customer service should be on par.

I wasn't implying that b/c you had your SMP done by HIS former practitioner that yours would fade also. The fact is, Matt is one of the best practitioners out there, and just as you have said Matt's reputation speaks for itself. Anyone would be fortunate to have Matt do their smp. I have kept in touch with a guy I met on a forum who had his smp with Matt and HIS, and that man's SMP results are holding up well. Plus I believe it is safe to say that Headstrong uses different inks/pigments than HIS, and may employ a slightly different method geared more for permanent results.

As far as the majority of HIS clients, I have noticed many complaining after 1.5- 3 years of extreme fading. At this link, (Link removed by moderator) this HIS veteran client and forum poster complains that his smp has faded a good bit after only 2 years. It is tough to identify the main cause of fading however, as some clients are not as careful at avoiding UV exposure.

Thank you for the encouragement and the compliments, I must of emailed Matt about 30 photos of hairlines that I liked, it ranged from feathered, to broken, the whole gammet, I just wasn't sure what would fit my face. HIS was a great reference since they have so many case studies to choose from.

 

I told Matt I did not want the straight line hairline with the zig zag temples because at my age and my ethnicity, skin tone, hair color, etc I would stick out like a sore thumb. I actually asked for his advice and Matt drew the hairline as well as the temples and I liked the way it looked. I might bring down the hairline a smidge, but I have been relying on Matt's experience and artistic ability.

 

I asked for conservative, and lets start from there. We can always add to it or tweak it if necessary and he agreed. If I bring down the hairline a smidge, I am going to break it up a bit. But so far I think I look a lot better then I did with no hair and a horseshoe! What I find weird is how the camera plays tricks on you depending on the lighting. In reality, the replicated follicles are black, but in some pics they look brown.

 

I read your other thread, I didn't realize HIS charged that much money. They would never say a word about how much they charge until you get to the consultation. And I have seen the diaries of some customers who opt to go for six to seven sessions. I think that is a bit crazy, unless there is an issue with retaining the pigment (immune system) etc. I was told that it would take three sessions to achieve the look that I wanted. All I can do now is see how things go.

Yes, it is odd how the camera can fail to display the same result you would see in person. That is why I always tell people they must see smp in person at the clinic of their choice. Also, lighting plays a huge role. I find the worst kind of lighting is that yellow/orangeish bathroom type lighting, or harsh orange/yellow overhead lighting that you find at many restaurants. These lightings tend to make me still look like I am balding. Florescent lights are great, and daylight/sunlight is great.

HIS Hair has great experience and do good smp results that look great for a short time, but it seems that their results fade very quickly-between 12-18 months or 2 years. I think that HIS is designed to be more of a temporary result but is advertised as permanent. If you think about it, it is in their best interest for the results to be temporary b/c this way the client will have to return every year or so and pay them hundreds of dollars again. Also, I would be concerned with Quality Control regarding HIS Hair. Too many clinics in too many cities and countries, so there are too many practitioners. If SMP is as highly specialized as it seems, then how can you be sure that you will get the results they advertise if your practitioner is a random guy(in, let's say Seattle instead of Manchester) whose smp work you have never seen and whose experience/resume is unclear?

Hi all,

I have had multiple FUTs over the last couple of decades, unfortunately performed by some very poor surgeons. This has resulted in massive scars in my back head. I have had relatively long hair to try to cover these scarrs. I then a couple of years ago went to a beauty saloon, one of those that also paint eyebrows, and had some micropigmentation (tattoing using temporary ink) done in my scars. Fabulous result....now walks around with 1-2 mms of hair. One does need a real proffesional, in particular hitting the right colour, not too dark, not too light ( and careful something in the color can make it blueish) can be difficult. I have also used a little micro-pigmentation on my forehead to make the massive hair plugs I got made back in the 90s stand less out. I think you youngsters who can use FUE today are lucky to not have these problems. This a massive development, so this is merely an advice for members with these old FUT drawbacks. Just wanted to share this as it has really helped me a lot. Don't hesitate to call me on +45 20693199 if you have any questions. PS. Price here in DK was 200? and I then need to follow-up say every 3-10 years and use another maybe 50-100? (here after 3 years it still looks great)PPS. May also work best with short hair...PPPS. I had a repair FUE three years ago, which really revealed my scars as shown on one of the pictures. This FUE also helped disguising the relatively large plugs in my forehead from my earlier FUT treatments

Looks pretty good, but the before photos are in bright daylight exposure, and the after photos of the finished result are in the dark. Do you have any finished result photos in the same lighting as the before photos?

The only bad experience I have had with SMP so far has been on here, there have been several people one of which who is an open marketer for a Chicago Hair Clinic who said "the dots are too big" and another poster who had several hair transplants and then a temporary SMP procedure that went wrong.

 

I learned so much reading the HIS forums, mainly because it is dedicated to SMP. It is funny how the anti-SMP/Pro Hair Transplant FUE keyboard warriors do not realize that a good majority of SMP is scar work, scars from FUE and Strip procedures, so it is not just relegated to us bald guys.

 

I guess I chose the wrong forum to post on, I mean I am five days in, and I am hatless, the follicle/dots have shrunk, no more redness and I shaved my sides and back and saw the framework for session two. I mean I already ran into my neighbor who said absolutely nothing not even looked at my head which was my biggest fear of being outed.

 

I am glad your procedure is holding up. SMP is not witch craft or a head tattoo, I just people would educate themselves before chastising others. To each his or her own, I am happy and that is all that counts at the end of the day.

Don't pay the HT boosters any mind. They have their own agenda, and that agenda is all about making people doubt smp so they won't see it in person and become believers. Once you see it for yourself, you realize that it is a significant improvement to being bald, and is completely undetectable. My consultant at the clinic I went to allowed me to view his scalp under a magnifying glass and it was incredible that I still could not tell that these dots were not real hair follicles. I was sold at that point, and you and I both know that if others took the time to see smp in person they would be sold as well.

Your SMP results look great! I do not notice that the dots are too big, but it can be difficult to tell from photos, and as you mentioned, the dots do shrink throughout the healing process so no worries there. I like the hairline as well, very natural and strong as well. It looks like you did a bit of a broken hairline, am I correct on that? Also it looks like you added smp on your temples or side profiles? I like that style, makes smp look more like a haircut. The place I went to does not normally do work on the temples, and I did not have my temples done. I do have recession in those areas so may have those areas done when I go for enhancement.

Sorry, not a sales pitch, and I would not sway anyone to go to one place or another. I based my decision on what I saw in person. I am not here to advertise as well, I want to document my journey, and I am sorry if you feel that I am being a little to overzealous which in your mind is me trying to make money? Not the case at all. I think most people who have procedures advertise where they have had it done. I have scene good work at a few companies, but they were out of the USA, or only had one clinic in the USA. My comments of Matt are true, I didn't get my treatment at HIS, I chose not too, that should tell you something, I did based upon the results I have seen, in person. On another note, it seems like there is an abundance of anti-SMP people on this forum. Maybe they don't understand it ?

 

Your # 4 I am here for the same reason. So you have had SMP, how is yours holding up ?

Honestly, youre absolutely right, and I am in no position to judge people's motives, especially when it is just speculation anyway. I have just grown weary of seeing SMP businesses advertise in sneaky ways, and there are a lot of them out there as I'm sure you have discovered, but I apologize to you for grouping you into that category. I am glad that you had a good experience with HeadStrong, and I actually learned of Matt from reading the HIS Hair forum and all of the glowing reviews he received and the shear panic that ensued as soon as it was announced that Matt was leaving HIS. He is apparently one of the best and knowledgeable practitioners out there. I am not a HIS client, but I read the HIS forum from time to time b/c, even though I am skeptical of the permanence of HIS' method, the HIS forum provides a lot of good information and guides on living with smp like shaving tips, lotions, etc. I definitely agree with you that people don't seem to understand SMP. There is such a misconception that it will be noticeable and people will be able to tell, but I agree with you that If it is done correctly an SMP'd head and a shaved head (of someone with full hair) will look basically identical but the SMP'd head will look better due to defined hairline(just my opinion). Plus you have got the HT pushers who dont want smp to succeed, even though many HT docs have now started offering smp services.

Mine is holding up well after a few years. It is honestly amazing that after smp you are not known as "the bald guy" but as "the guy with the shaved head." I had a woman tell me that I looked exactly like a guy she knew, a guy whom I am familiar with, and the guy has a full head of hair. It is simply amazing how some people no longer think of you as bald after smp.

Your results look really good, and I am glad you had a good experience with Headstrong and Matt. Also glad you are sharing your experience and getting the truth out there regarding SMP.

My hair loss spanned ten years, if I was desperate, ten years ago I would of done something, I didn't, researching anything in life I think would be common sense, especially when it comes to hair loss, I referenced the specific clinic because I find it odd that you knew the practitioner that I am working with, I am by no means endorsing anything but my own personal transformation. HIS is a great company and you don't see me bashing them. I am familiar with their clinics, locations, owner, etc, why? HIS is a HUGE player in SMP around the world. The only thing I disagree with is that a company may have (5) years verifiable experience, but how about their practitioners? I think Matt, who did come from HIS has a verifiable resume as he was pretty much very involved with marketing with them.

 

With all due respect, and I say this respectfully, why are you here ? .

1) Actually..... you referenced Your Clinic specifically in your second post along with your photos and experience/testimony/sales pitch. Your advertisement of HeadStrong was not in response to any inquiry

2) Your questioning of my knowledge of Matt:

"because I find it odd that you knew the practitioner that I am working with",

Your answer to your own Suspicion:

"HIS is a HUGE player in SMP around the world, "

"I think Matt, who did come from HIS has a verifiable resume as he was pretty much very involved with marketing with them. "

3) The SMP business I am a client of (which shall remain nameless b/c Im not here to advertise or make money) has over 5 years of experience, and the practitioner who performed my smp has over 7 years of experience.

4)Why am I here? I like to share my knowledge (the little and basic smp knowledge and experience that I have) and SMP experience with potential clients who are in the same boat as I was. It is tough to learn the truth about SMP, what with all of the bogus undercover posting that goes on. I am also here to stay current on the developments and advances in the SMP field and industry, this forum is a wonderful tool for that.

I am ABSOLUTELY NOT HERE to advertise for any SMP business, so you will never see me promote the clinic I am a client of.

PS: I definitely agree with you on the point of Clinic location being a key factor. SMP is a process and something that must be maintained over the years, so having an SMP location within driving distance or close proximity of your residence is a huge advantage.

There are several good SMP businesses to choose from in the States. It is just a matter of what you are looking for as a client. I prefer to go with a Clinic with at least 5 years of experience and proven longevity in terms of lasting results. This can be tough to validate however. It is not so easy to view a clinic's client who has had the smp several years earlier and see how it is holding up, but if you are able to get this opportunity best to take it. Lots and lots of sketchy advertising tactics and dishonest behavior from these places. Many providers steal photos and use as their own supposed finished product, and many places will even use photos of men who do not even have smp.

I am always skeptical when a new Username pops up and immediately begins advertising for a specific smp clinic on several different high traffic hair loss forums. It is quite easy to spot this kind of advertising, and it always follows the same formula:

(A) Hair loss Sob Story (B) Desperate Need to do something about hair loss ©Research for solution leads to miraculous discovery a SPECIFIC SMP clinic (D) Life Changing SMP treatment and restoring of self-confidence (E) Recommendation of that clinic to others who battle hair loss "disease"

Don't believe the hype

Respectfully, not going overboard at all. I have researched SMP for close to a year, educated myself and have found consistently that Matt was in demand. I just had my first session yesterday, posted my pics, so I don't "work for them".

 

There was a reason why you made that comment "Oh that is where he went". Reading posts on other forums prior to getting my first treatment, a lot of former clients and future clients wondered where Matt disappeared too. I am happy with the service I received so far, and that is why I am sharing my experience on here. Ask me this a year ago and I would of told you the idea of SMP was crazy. My research and due diligence further strengthens my point. Take a look at my before and after pictures. I am just a client.

Saw your photos, results look pretty good so far. A bit on the lighter side, but I imagine you will increase density and maybe just the lighting in the photo, can be difficult to tell, but looks pretty good. Yes, you are correct, Matt was in high demand at HIS, I know many were sorry to see him leave. He will be a good selling point for you guys.

Matt is not good. He is down right phenomenal. No disrespect to the company he was working for previously but one of the reasons why I chose HeadStrongNY is Matt will be one who will be doing my treatments from start to finish

Whoa, Easy slick, don't go overboard! It's almost as if you work for this place Headstrong.

I had my first session at HeadstrongNY. They are located in Manhattan and my experience was very positive as I am looking forward to my second session. They have one practicioner who I feel is one of the top (3) in the world. His name is Matt Iulo, a former marketing executive and head practicioner with HIS.

Ah, so that's where Matt went. Many clients at HIS were sorry to see him go. I hear he is good

Just an update on this thread, as far as seeing it in person, if you saw my scalp and were right up close to it you would never know it was smp'd. You would just think that I have lots of healthy follicles and that I chose to shave my head. Just In the last two weeks, one lady told me "wow you look really good with a shaved head", another woman asked "why did you shave all your hair off, it looks really thick, like if you grew it out it'd be a thick full head of hair." A man yesterday told me that I did a nice shave job and asked me questions about how I buzz my head. Keep in mind, these are just folks that I meet in passing or traveling or through business, so they do not know that this shaved head look is how I look year round.

A couple months ago even my doctor (who doesn't know I have smp) commented on how healthy and plentiful my "follicles" are looking and how my hair seems full, as we were discussing how my Propecia and Dutasteride were working.

I have been negative and critical in a few of my previous posts about smp, but mainly I just get annoyed at all the copycat providers who don't know what they are doing and end up ruining people's scalps so I tend to vent. The business I did smp with is, IMO, one of the top 5 in the world and just did an amazing job! Would I have preferred to pay less than I did? Uh, Yea.. of course, but honestly I would rather pay more than I think I should and get it right, than pay a small fee and end up with a bad result which would cost more to repair in long run.

It helps to have some hair definitely, but two of the best results Ive ever seen were the owner and consultant of the clinic I went to, and I believe those two fellows have less hair than I do.

I did not believe that it would be undetectable before I had it done, but then after seeing those two men at clinic, and after several years and NOT ONE person calling me out on SMP, I am convinced. Of course, once SMP grows a bit more, advertises more, the public will be more suspicious of guys with nice shaved heads.

There are no cases of SMP from Hishair that has "migrated". And its impossible for their ink to turn blue. I have researched SMP quite a lot. HisHair seems pretty good with mostly good results. Yes it often fades but thats because they are rather careful in their approach so it may take a few sessions. Vinci I am still unsure about. They have some result son their website which are awful. From HisHair results they are mostly very good. Some are average.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. Was not saying or implying that HIS Hair has a history of pigment migration or pigments turning to blue hue. At the end of that post you quoted me on I was merely making a general statement about SMP businesses and their contracts they make you sign so that they are not liable for any poor outcome with your results, and I simply used "pigment migration" and "blue" color change as examples of what a poor outcome can be, but again was not referring to any specific clinic and was not saying any specific provider has a history of migration and color change.

What I did say was HIS Hair absolutely has a common tendency to produce SMP results that fade significantly within 1-2 years. That is just a fact, read the forum and see for yourself. Maybe not such a bad thing that HIS' results fade, just depends on how you look at the situation and what the alternative outcome is, assuming that there is no "happily ever after" scenario with permanent SMP. And to echo what Nicole said, I do not think you can use words like "impossible" when speaking of an SMP outcome. Too many factors involved and nothing under the sun is perfect or guaranteed.

I had SMP several years ago, and my results honestly have not faded a bit. I do take care of my scalp and avoid sun exposure to it. That is not to say that the SMP won't fade on my scalp, but I will say that I am glad that I was wise enough to avoid His Hair bc I would have already been back to HIS clinics 3-5 times for enhancements.

smp is black dot not hair yes yes yes i am saying this loud and clear. Only for strip scar coverage its been justified to a limit . I will always say its a black dot and his hair or any clinic whether they charge 3000$ or 2000$ or any clinic i dont know if they charge 1000$ also don't don't don't go for this black ink. IT just fades with time and first ofall its adot take a ink pen and just start putting dot dot dot with black ink on your scalp its a same thing. I would always go for hair rather then artificial dot. Any smp clinic they are just misguiding people saying shave head with thick HAIR look. HAIR are hair not ink dot even with slight stubble you can feel the hair. Their is no no no no substitute to hair period. I would say i have seen people who are fat and out of shape but they have hair and they look absolotely fine. I have seen gym going people with good shape and class 7 they look horrible. According to me hair is your 100% personality.Its my opinion one of my friend told another friend in marriage party my friend was wearing versace 3000$ coat. My other friend told this friend wearing versace coat that dude you wear versace or armani or hugo boss if you are bald nothing will look good on you. I agree bcz the guy who said to guy wearing versace was wearing 20$ coat from some thrift clearence store. I went to him and ask where he got his coat from. I would say hair just not only changes one himself but also the way people perceive you and especially women. This is matter of fact and I would clearly say baldness is a like worst curse on this planet to man. I know my tons tons of friend got divorce bcz they were bald and lot of friends relationship did not work out bcz they were dating wehen guys had hair and later on they were balding and girls/women were finding them no way attractive at all. This is true and no matter what anyone says I will always beleive in this theory man with no hair has no world I think bald person can just not look into eye of any men or women most of the time. I have seen majority of doctors, executives in companies are bald and how they just lack confidence . I was in london, belgium, italy, south africa, austria, prague, and i have ven been to middle east . Yes I can definately say majority of bald people I have seen was frst in middle east and then in europe. Middle east is my gosh hub of baldness and with that tropical weather how bald shiny pat shine and with sweat on their head. Most middle eastern in their 30's and their 30,s plus are really terribly bald and they have shiny really shiny pat.

Is English your second or third language? I am not trying to be unkind but reading your posts is like reading the writing of someone who is not fluent in the English language so it can be tough to follow but I think I catch what you are trying to say.

To be honest, you have got your priorities all mixed up. And honestly, you seem to have some serious social and psychological problems. You have put hair on a pedestal b/c you are bald or have plugs. Somehow you have deluded yourself into believing that "if you just had hair"

1) You'd be more confident

2)Women would find you attractive

3) You would be more successful and popular

4) You would look more healthy

FALSE, FALSE, FALSE AND FALSE!!

I dare say, I believe you had problems in all of these areas before you ever lost any hair. It's okay, many people with hair loss believe the same crazy things like you, so don't beat yourself up about it.

But for you to say that Fat and out of shape people look good as long as they have hair, and that a guy who is fit but bald looks worse than a Fat Man with hair just shows how flawed your perception of REALITY really is. But on the other hand, people just like you who believe hair will solve all of life's problems, are a Hair Transplant Doctor's Wet Dream! I'm sorry to tell you, but even after hair transplants women and everyone else will only be staring at the THIN BALD Areas of your head, and will take little notice of your new "hairs" which will be puny and sickly looking. They will always focus on the hair that isnt on your scalp rather than the hair that is. Of course after HTs you will have the scarring to feel self-conscious about also.

I definitely agree with you on some points about SMP. The advertising and marketing techniques they use are pretty stupid. Some do claim that they give you hair which is just Ridiculous. The prices are also very high at most places, and I believe they should be significantly lower, but if you research general micropigmentation and permanent makeup, practitioners charge hundreds of dollars per hour and Smp is an entire head of work.

My advice to you would be start working on your personality, your diet and exercise routines, and other things in life THAT YOU CAN CONTROL. You can't control hair loss buddy, no matter what the industry promises you. Find your confidence in other areas.

Shave head with thick hair good joke

Smp is ink just a dot like take ink pen and put dot on your scalp same phenomena just smp is by needle

Message is loud N clear their is no substitute to hair

Substitute to hair is only hair by HT and that too by surgeon who have good artistic skill with placing graft artistically and making good hairline

Smp is ink just black dot not hair

Smp clinic charging 3 grand to 4 grand and then enhancement for black ink

It's like a trap

I will go for real hair anytime rath err then smp

WAIT..Hold on just a Minute Sir! You are telling me that SMP is just black dot, not hair??? Wow, thank you so much for clearing that up for me, I thought Scalp Micropigmentation was actually hair but now I know SMP is only black dot! You are very articulate... wait.... is articulate the right word?

I never said SMP was perfect for everyone, it is not. The marketing and advertising for SMP businesses aim to convince that it is a great solution for all, and again it is not. If you look bad with a shaved head smp wont be for you. If you do not have good facial features or you look old and are fat and out of shape then SMP will not do much for you, but if that is the case you have bigger problems than hair loss so why worry about being or going bald. Just save your money that you would give to the HT doc and spend it on a Gym membership and personal trainer and dietician.

SMP works better if you look young and have an athletic or muscular build. Society tends to group buzzed heads with athletes, military officers, and weight lifters so it makes more sense if you are or look athletic. Not every smp place is good. The place I went I was able to view the owner and a consultant's smp work and they were both really really amazing results and I viewed them up close, so I knew that they did good work there. I know I have said in previous posts that SMP is overpriced, but honestly if you go to any micropigmentation or cosmetic tattooing business they charge between $400 and $600 an hour, so it does make more sense to go with a place that only does hair replication tattooing on the scalp for obvious reasons. I do not feel that you are very educated on cosmetic tattooing or its benefits, or you are just saying SMP is bad for everyone b/c it is bad for you. Kind of lame.

Again, do not know much about Hair Transplant other than my brief experience, but I have never seen a good result in person. HT results to me just look like the guy who has them is balding or has very very thin hairs and it looks unhealthy. But to be fair, i suppose it is possible that their are some good results out there. Just havent seen any myself, just guys who look like chemo patients who no longer have the option to shave their head b/c big ugly scars.

please dont go for smp it is just black dots and fade with time. It looks dull and give very artifiacial look. Go and look at person who has done. They are black dots not hair. They are dots not hair . Go for hair their are doctor doing in 1$ per graft. SMP is waste of time and decoloration of scalp dont dont dont do it. whether evolve or his hair or any smp clinic they are all putting black dots that is not hair period.

This is not true at all. Fiction sir. SMP can look very real. I had smp years ago and everyone i meet thinks I just have a shaved head with thick hair. The people Ive told about my smp did not believe me at first and thought I was pulling there leg. No enhancements yet, No color change, minimal fading very very slight. The key is to have good to decent coverage on the top part of the scalp for 3d effect, but even without this it can look amazing and real. The consultant at place I went is a Norwood 4 and he has remaining hair shaved all the way down- was best smp job I have ever seen in person, no possible way to tell that it wasn't real hair stubble, So hair isn't an absolute must in all cases for smp.

You just have to find an experienced smp place or private micropigmentation practitioner who has experience with hair replication tattooing.

Concerning HT's, I have very little experience in that area so cannot comment or contribute anything valuable there. Im sure there are some good results out there somewhere, I just have not seen any good ones yet, just ugly scars and not much hair coverage to make scars worth it.

Nicole, thanks for your reply. There seems to be a dearth of personal experiences regarding SMP, besides a few pictures and parting comments, so I did a write up detailing my experience so that someone considering this and that has had prior HT's knows the risks. If this had of been permanent SMP I would be much more concerned than I am right now.

 

I don't know why the color has a blue tint, I don't think that would be the case if the color were consistent across the scalp, but in the darker regions, it has a bluish tint for sure. In the regions that have consistent color it looks less blue and more natural.

 

I don't think anything can be done other than letting nature run it's course and the ink eventually being expelled over time. This was a good test session and it basically told me that permanent SMP on the scalp is not a future option for me. So I view this result as a positive, as it keeps me from doing something permanent that I might likely consider an unacceptable result.

 

I think SMP on regions of scar tissue like my scalp is very unpredictable, and just by posting this experience I warn others of the risks. If someone does not have scar tissue on their scalp, they very likely won't experience what I did. And I'm still happy with the strip scar result, which I fully intend to continue my treatments with. Otherwise, no worries really, as the old saying goes, "This too shall pass."

 

Cheers.

Sorry to hear about your disappointing result. At least you had the wisdom to opt for the temporary smp rather than permanent, hopefully it fades fully. I am not convinced it will fully fade though, I tried to tell you some months back.

SMP can work well for guys who have no HT scarring but I do not feel that it is ethical for smp businesses to perform smp on HT patients. They are really not candidates for SMP. Scar tissue is too unpredictable to tattoo and its makeup is completely different than regular skin. I know 3 guys who had hts and scarring and 3 out of 3 ended up with blue scars and blue blurry dots on the scalp. Needless to say these chaps were all devastated and angry the providers were not honest with them that this would be outcome. Even the owner of one of the more "reputable" smp businesses has blue blurred dots on his head because of his ht scar tissue. Ive seen in person, it looked bad.

Cannot really speak for the temporary SMP guys like the one you went to b/c I have no experience in dealing with them but Just a lot of dishonesty in SMP industry in general. Many will say they "guarantee" the same outcome for every person using the exact same tattooing regiment. Anyone who has studied even basic level health sciences or Anatomy and Physiology and understands the basics of the integumentary system and immune cell responses, knows that each person will retain and absorb inks differently and fading varies based on many individual factors. No point in going into further detail, you can even learn that on Wikipedia or more reliable health science websites if you aren't educated.

People need to be careful with smp. Many of the businesses present a very convincing professional educated experienced facade, but based on my experiences most of the employees and practitioners of these places only have experience consisting of nothing more than Sales, Hair Salon Employees, Secretaries real estate or just have very basic Cosmetology certifications. None of these qualifies someone to do micropigmentation on your head.

Hi Forum,

 

Did anyone have SMP with long hair.. My hair is brown... I have hair in the front region.. However, thinning in the crown..

 

I also have a FUT scar "U" shape. Need to work on my FUT scar before I can do SMP work.. However, not crazy about the bald

 

look.. I think you need to have perfect face for that.. Well that is my opinion..

 

I didn't want to use the remainder of my donor FUE hair for the FUT scar.. But I might have to..

 

Any thoughts from fellow troopers?

 

Hope you are having a great day!!!

No, you cannot achieve what you are hoping for with SMP. You have too much hair loss, it is impossible. The longest hair length I have ever seen a man get away with was a '1 guard' clipper buzz, and that man had fairly good coverage but just minor thinning, not sure what norwood he was tbh. If you do not like the 'bald look' or 'shaved head' look then unfortunately smp is not for you. to get away with it hair must be shaved with 0 clipper or less. I have met with the owner of one of the main US smp business who had HT's and a good amount of hair loss. That owner had SMP and had his hair length was somewhere between 1/8" and 1/16" and it looked HORRIBLE! And he was the owner lol! The difference btwn hairs and smp dots was very noticeable and it was just bad. But if you have a consultation with one of these smp places I am sure they will tell you that it will work

Hi Friends

 

I live in India

 

I wish to do permanent SMP in FUT scar

Which clinic would be better

 

His Hair Clinic or Vinci Clinic??

Or are there other clinics better??

HIS Hair smp results fade quite rapidly,and they have been in business for longest of smp businesses. If you use HIS you will be going back to enhance within 1 & 1/2 years and 2 years. Just read HIS Forum for proof from their clients. They are temporary SMP although they advertise as permanent. Do not know much about Vinci other than they charge thousands of dollars and seem to imitate HIS method. Most of these smp businesses lack much experience and have no credentials in field of Micropigmentation. They will guarantee you nothing and make you sign agreement that if something goes wrong with your results (like if dots migrate or turn blue) the clinic will not be responsible, which says it all.

Better to find a Micropigmentation clinic with years of experience doing all types of cosmetic tattooing on many areas of body, and legitimate micropigmentation Certifications and memberships to national micropigmenation societies which is only true accountability for them. Do not be fooled by the bs ads and fake online reviews and bogus forum reviews of smp places.

It's opaque and it's wink-wink kinda stuff all the way down the chain,

 

the ink suppliers lie to the distributors,

who lie to the clinic proprietors

who lie to the clinic staff

who lie to the reps

who lie to the customers

who lie to themselves..

 

But there is truth and good intension mixed in there too...results can be better and or worse and you run the gauntlet of your own judgment ...woooah!! sooo deep there.

 

I don't agree that these clinics know their days are numbered. I assume most are in it for as long as they can, though I could be wrong. I generally assume that they'll get better at doing what they do, including looking better than the local start-up across the road. Unfortunatley, they won't give a damn about us. If the chance to appear on national TV appears, they'll jump at it and shoot us all down in the process. Our little secret is just collateral damage.

 

Two other things.

A lot of them don't know why they use the specs they use, they are just using received wisdom.

A lot of them won't even fully exploit the tools they have, because they don't have to. Example of this, they won't change sizes, or ink parameters as often as they could because it takes more time.

Some of them play dumb too, when asked about parameters. Don't blame them, but it makes it harder.

All in all, I have found HT clinics, as despicable as they might seem, more open and frank than the SMP clinics I have dealt with.

Great post, and great points all around! You may be right about a few smp places standing the test of time, but if they do I think it will only be a handful of providers who will be successful at continuing to charge over $3,000. The dozens of copycat bandwagon clinics will either fall by the wayside or will be forced to charge much less for their services which will ultimately force them out of business when their debt gets too great. I just do not feel that consumers are dumb enough to continue paying so much money for this overpriced service that any cosmetic or good tattoo artist can do with very little training, and the smp clinics will not be able to keep up this charade. So much of the smp industry reminds me of real estate scam infomercials, and then you see some of these guys trying to get investors offering franchising opportunities lol.

There is one Provider whos owner had a treatment at HIS Hair clinic and then opened up his own business and now claims that he invented scalp micropigmentation LOL. He puts all of these wild lies out on the web like that he wrote a book, he kept advertising for it for months saying it would be available at Barnes n noble and on Amazon, and then the release date came and went and the book doesnt exist and never did. He also was going on twitter claiming he was going to be on the ABC show Shark Tank to pitch his smp business, and of course that never came to fruition. Just a bunch of B.S. to make himself and his business seem legit so people will pay him. He's a clown! SMP is filled with these scam artists like him.

I agree, HT docs, though shady and often not completely honest, are much more forthcoming and straightforward than SMP businesses.

In the case of SMP, I'm not even sure if they really know themselves. Tattoo people are usually confident and independent people, (if self-doubt were part of their persona, they wouldn't have customers!) but here is the thing - do they really know? Does anyone really know? SMP is still working itself out and I'm not convinced anyone knows what they are doing yet.

 

 

Very Good point, and I agree with you on that. Micropigmentation Practitioners who are worth a salt can give you approximate ink insertion depth, needle cluster and number used, machines and speeds in CPS or DPS, pigment particle sizes in microns, pigment metal contents and chemical compounds, BUT there is no way that any of them can accurately predict in every single person how well their result will be or how the dots will age (migration, fade time, color change), too many factors involved. And they claim they can predict with accuracy which is a lie. So many Lies from SMP places. For example One clinic claims that they have "migration-resistant pigments", and another claims that their pigments (once located in the dermis mind you) have a property that prevents light from shining off of the scalp LOL .

I suppose my main point was that these SMP providers know for a fact that they have no special pigments or unique equipment or methods that separates them from permanent makeup/micropigmentation practitioners, yet they put such strong emphasis on their claims that they are completely different from permanent makeup. And then they charge 4-6 times more than every other cosmetic tattoo business in the industry.

These SMP clinics' days are numbered and I feel they know this. They are trying to make as much money as they can before people begin to realize that they can have smp done for much much cheaper in almost any city. As soon as people begin posting good results that they received from General Micropigmentation Practitioners for a much reduced price compared to these smp providers, the word will begin to spread. For now however most people, who aren't educated in tattooing, will believe these bogus photos that SMP clinics post on their websites of men's heads that they have painted with blue and purple die and claim these are men who went to a permanent makeup artist.