ZeoRanger

I had those yellowish pizza cheese-like dots as well from day 2. I was already on antibiotics anyways as a precaution for the first 5 days anyways. Doctor told me not to worry - result of healing and dense packing.

I was a bit suspecious and showed my "pizza pics" to other HT docs and they said it looked normal. From day 6 They will peel of easily when washing and are not hard scabs.

Just to be on the safe side tho, ask ur doc for input!

I don't think it's a infection. Infections look more angry, redder, wetter and skin would be bumpy.

Since this is your 2nd ht on the same site (so no virgin scalp) did the doc say anything about your growth possibly being slower or that the job was more difficult?

Does this mean you cannot wear a hat in summer as it would generate warmth as well?

This would be extremely difficult because you need to cover the recipient from UV at the same time

 

The first thread paleo opened showed about 15 examples of Dr.Doganay?s subpar work which was amassed in a relativly short time fram. That in itself was concerning but the way this site in person of Bill and David responded in that thread was even more concerning. It was obvious that they tried to defend the doc and somewhat attack Paleo. And all this despite the fact that the 15 examples shown in that thread had a somewhat similar pattern: all the patients were obviously not happy with their results

I find this particularly alarming as I was seriously considering this doc a year ago. His reviews and results were stellar. Obviously a few users felt the same and took the bait. Now they (those 15 complainants) have a similar problem: poor growth. Often one side in particular.

From a logical point of view 2 weeks is enough based on many threads in this forum as grafts are secure after 10 days.

But from an irrational and emotional perspective: don't do it. You have an emotional roller coaster ahead of you and everytime you think your grafts are growing late, you'll start wondering if it might have to do with that ice hockey thing you did a few weeks ago. And you start blaming yourself...

You don't sound overly passionate and excited about it, so it's not the end of the world giving it a miss.

Reading this thread I wonder if your overzealous use of minox had to with it. It seemed like your doc was quite concerned about it. Hence asking you to stop it immediately.

Hope your revision will work.

I don't think they can spot transected grafts during surgery given the intense time pressure. Most will implant whatever they extracted. Provided the doctor cut enough recipient holes.

I also read that transected grafts still may grow depending on the severity of the damage.

 

By getting my story and knowledge out there, I am merely telling the truth for all who seek it to find . I respect that your experience with Dr. Erdogan was thankfully much different than mine . Had I not been treated so terribly and in such a disrespectful manner, I would not be posting my story at all. I am honestly amazed Dr. Erdogan treated me in the terrible way he did as this problem could have been resolved when it happened.

 

I again wish you the best and hope you can respect me in the way I have you. Other than the fact that you attacked me and have said untrue things about me,I do not have an inherent problem with you having a different opinion or review of the doctor. My reason for posting about my experience and knowledge of Dr. Erdogan is between he and I and has nothing to do with you. I gave him many chances to resolve the situation previously and have also given him the chance to respond recently.

So WHAT is your story??

I sympathise with anyone who has a bad result. But in your case I'm not even sure whether you had a bad result or it is just something trivial... Could you be anymore specific? "Erdogan was disrespectful and mistreated me" doesn't cut it. Only results matter.

My hunch is you flew all the way to his practice but then got turned away because you were an unsuitable FUE candidate e.g. unpredictable MPB or too curly.

Spill the beans already... Otherwise your "Erdogan is bad" campaign has no more merits. It's just as useless as a newbie who posts "I had an amazing result with Dr xyz" but doesn't show any photos.

Thank you for showing me that you said this about me. I was not aware of it as I have a busy life, and this forum is not it. This post further exemplifies the type of behavior you have exhibited with me on this site with your attacking me for giving my opinion to OTHER people and for telling others the truth about a bad experience with Dr. Erdogan. I am not a banned poster. I have no connections to anyone unlike yourself. The forum administrator knows of my problem and of my complaint against Dr. Erdogan because I contacted him long ago at the time it occurred. I am not saying anything about Dr. Erdogan that I have not raised with the forum administrator previously, that I have not experienced myself, read or been told by others , or that I have not posted DIRECTLY TO Dr. Erdogan on the site for him to respond to. It appears from your posts that you have an agenda and that you do not feel others are allowed to have an opinion that differs from yours. I will provide a link to another thread for others to see that outlines my experience with you attacking me and how you contacted me by PM simply because I gave my opinion to someone when it was asked for. Your posts and behavior thereafter show and confirm that it was done in a provocative manner and not in an innocent way that you claimed. My post even predicts how you and others will behave when someone speaks the truth about a negative encounter with any doctor. I was correct. Anyone viewing this can see what has transpired. I don't have time to keep up with it all nor do I care to act childish. What I have said and how I have said it speak for themselves. I am glad you are simply calling more attention to my posts.

 

It certainly appears from your actions that you are the one with connections to a doctor. You go around to every post and attack anyone who has a negative thing to say about Dr. Erdogan or me for warning others about my bad experience with him. You have even made up lies about me here. I will not go down to that level. I am very honest and unbiased in my advice on the forum. It can easily be seen that I often tell people to do their research and often make people aware of truthful information I have seen about multiple doctors. I tell people to make their own informed decisions. You continue to say that I am "bashing" Dr. Erdogan. My bad experience was with Dr. Erdogan so that is the only doctor I can personally speak badly about. Telling people about being treated badly by a doctor and making people aware of bad things about that doctor is not "bashing" someone. it is being truthful. My opinion of Dr. Erdogan will not change because of the way I was treated by him and due to the fact that he never resolved nor even attempted to resolve my problem nor what was done to me.

 

While you have claimed to have no connections to Dr. Erdogan in another thread you ARE a patient of his. I have also pointed out how you have been dishonest with your statements in the thread I will link (which I am sure you will now edit) and also completely misquoted what I wrote. You have attacked me here for speaking the truth. I am now simply responding to your accusations about me again. I joined this site seeking a source for truthful information and will continue to provide truthful information to others in order to help serve the purpose of this site and help prevent others from having a bad experience when making a very important decision in their life.

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/181181-fue-live-consultation-dr-koray-erdogan-5000-grafts-too-much.html

 

You are obviously angry because I have warned people about some negative things surrounding Dr. Erdogan and about my bad experience which I am allowed to do. Prospective patients should be aware of bad things that have happened with all doctors. It helps raise the quality of care everywhere. Would this site be legitimate if it only included good things about doctors ? Would it be believable if no one was ever treated wrong by any doctor ? A doctor should never treat someone in a poor and disrespectful manner like I was if they do not want to have someone talk badly about them in a public place. Despite that and contrary to your behavior, I have always respected your right and everyone's right to have and form their own opinions. I do not attack anyone for holding a contrary opinion or for speaking well of a doctor. Intelligent people can assess the information for themselves as well as the behavior of people such as yourself and decide who is acting in a respectful, professional, and honest manner.

By vaguely saying you were mistreated and that you know some other people who had issues with Erdogan you're not helping or warning anyone?

Exactly what is your problem? Grafts didn't grow? Bad scarring? Grew a unicorn instead of hair? What is it that went wrong? Cut to the chase, bro.

Anytime an incision is made into flesh or scalp tissue, a scab is going to form. However, sometimes the scab is so tiny that it can be hard to see.

 

But crusts however are not scabs but rather dried graft tissue that protrudes above the scalp line. The crusts are the tips of the grafts and become hard and look brown or greyish in color because they are dead tissue not dried up blood such as a scab. So probably what you are seeing are the crusts.

 

Also, anywhere grafts are placed there should be corresponding incisions (recipient sites) made to accommodate the placement of those grafts.

 

It is always a good idea to communicate with the surgeon and techs upfront to document in your chart how many grafts were placed by number and size. In other words, how many singles, doubles, etc., were placed and the recipient zone where they were placed. They should be able to show and document the exact placement and total count of all grafts once the procedure is completed.

Read somewhere that crusting should be prevented because once they form, they can develop the "force" to pull grafts out of the recipient. Is this true? Sounds a bit far fetched.

I remember 2 years ago the doctor in question was praised highly on this forum. Over the past year reviews with growth issues pop up on a weekly basis.

I'm also seeing a pattern where "one side doesn't grow in". Clinics would love to blame a patient's freak physiology for poor growth but if one side matures beautifully and the other one doesn't, it has little to do with the patient unless he caused trauma to that side post op or pulled out grafts.

The doctor did deliver great results in the past. I suspect this is a tech/implanting issue.

How many bad reviews does it take for a doctor to lose a recommendation?

After my HT (only hairline lowering) I realised that my hair dressers butchered me for decades!

Because I had to shave down for the procedure so I grew my hair without getting any cuts for 5 months. I was amazed to find out how thick and wavy my native hair was. I was always under the impression that my hair was super fine and thin. False. It was only thin because hairdressers thin it out excessively just so that they look really busy when doing the job. The thinning cut might be good for some customers but for me they're doing more harm than good.

I think most hairdressers are employing a one cut suits all approach and that's where they stuff up.

From now on I only let them cut the sides and back. Just a tiny bit on top and I make it crystal clear that they should not even think about "thinning it out".

Absolutely. We had 2 guys wearing systems who Promised not to use the adhesive in the area of our transplant...both ended up with several areas of virtually no growth. In every picture we have over 2 years, its clear the scalp in 2 or 3 specific areas was red and irritated AND appeared to have adhesive that had melted or oozed into that area. Despite pictures clearly suggesting that, these fellows didn't change their application procedure and ended up with spots of no growth. We did a touchup on one of the guys at a year or so, and the same exact thing happened a second time.

 

So at our office, wearing a system postop is not necessarily a deal breaker, but this little story and pictures showing this have resulted in no further system wearers postop. Several guys have gone elsewhere, 2 have come in for repair but still would not get rid of the system and have not yet proceeded. And several guys have thrown their system in the trash the morning of their case. So far, ALL of those guys said they just felt "relieved" to be starting a new course.

 

Dr. Lindsey McLean VA

Thanks for sharing. I'd never consider a hair system but it's good to know.

So why exactly is this practice a graft killer? Is it the constant skin irritation that impairs growth or is the glue so toxic that it kills off grafts?

In the video Dr Feller mention that the patient's first HT was a failure with a poor yield. Did he find out why, so he could ensure the 2nd attempt would be succeessful (as it obv was)?

Are there any issues working on a recipient site that already received grafts in the past?

Depends on your level of redness. If it's still there and you don't have a fringe long enough to conceal it, it'll look like a very odd sunburn.

Sorry to hear about your unsuccessful procedures. As far as I know saline is a very outdated storage solution that has the potential to harm grafts. Modern clinics use an ATP solution.

Did your scalp get infected post-op?

Your dermatologist should look into scalp conditions and rule out lichen planopilaris. That's on of the silent mystery diseases that prevent growth.

If it's all good, ask one of the recommended doctors here for repair. You still have some donor for a repair procedure.

Is this a matter of "breathing" or causing irritation?

The grafts are supposed to get their oxygen through the bloodstream. I read many times that skin cannot breathe.

Anyway, I saw a thread by a woman who started wearing a wig post op after 7 month with sub par results. So wig being a bad idea is a fact. But I wonder if air supply is the issues here or some other issue eg the wig being so tight that it cuts off bloody supply to the scalp or adhesives causing an infection...

Thanks, Blake. Yes I was worried about exposing the

drug to air and it losing its efficacy. Thanks for clearing that up.

Will air exposure impair proscar when you cut the pill into 4? Is it mandatory to store it in an air tight container?

I used to keep the quarters in a contact lense storage thing but since I started taking more vitamins I put them into a 7 day pill storage box/organiser but I noticed it's not airtight.

Up the healing process of the individual. Upon reading I learned the following

The redness generally peaks at week 6 then starts fading.

Redness last longer in younger patients

Lasts longer in fair skinned patients (esp ginger).

From own experience severity depends under which lamp you are. Fluoro is the worst.

Mine started fading after week 12. At this stage I didn't care about anymore cause my fringe was long enough and the grafts started growing in.

It was dreadful. But honestly 3 months of suffering are worth it, if you get amazing new hair as a reward.

I only needed to get my hairline fixed but unfortunately the clinic shaved off all my existing hair so I could not cover the recipient site with my fringe. So I ended up with a red, sometimes almost purple Batman logo right above my hairline. Sexy AF. I was always thought my hair was growing too fast but during this period it took like forever to get decent length to cover the recipient.

I have to dress businessy at work so a hat inside the office looked awkward. I could not say I had a HT. A few people in the office are bald and if you get an HT even though you not bald it's sending a political message to the people who control your pay...

I built my own flesh toned head band with double sided tape that would loose sit on my forehead without even touching the grafts - but blocking views of them! Explanation: sports injury. People were still annoying constantly asking how it was healing and if they can take a peek. IMO rude AF... They should really get on with their lives... After 3 months when I took it off (as my fringe was long enough) they were almost disappointed there were no visible scars. It told them that's because I strictly stuck to my docs orders and allowed 3 months for the injury to heal.

I tried make up.. Mineral powder but it did not work. Aloe vera didn't work either. It dried up too quickly and left gunk on my scalp.

I really wish clinics would NOT force you to shave it all off, would spare you a lot of agony.

Other than the redness there was no issue with the OP for me. Luckily no shock for me. Just a shocking temporary Batman logo tattoo above the hairline.

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/159726-psa-use-concealers-possible-complications.html

Based on the above, I would not do it... However there are plenty of forum users who did use make up and it did not affect the yield.

With FUE shaving the donor perfectly makes sense. I also understand that you shave the recipient area if you place grafts in between native or very close to the native hair. But shaving the entire head and areas that are 2cm from the actual site of operation... Clinic policy... Not having native hair to cover up the surgery was def the only bad aspect of the operation. I did think clinics don't fully realise the stress it brings onto some patients. 3 months of hell and stupid questions by people who should stick to their own business.

I did not have much luck with aloe vera... I put it on and it dried up within an hour then i had to wash off the dried up residue... Was I just using the wrong brand?

Isn't dandruff a mild form of Seb. Dermatitis?

I read it's used to treat both.

Isn't dandruff a mild form of Seb. Dermatitis?

I read it's used to treat both.