ZeoRanger

I have taken fin for 12 yrs and I still wake up with a hard boner in the middle of the night. Which is extremely annoying when you want to take a leak. Is fin responsible for that too?

Thanks for your detailed post. I hope it'll get better for you.

When you say you've had it for 40 years, do you mean you've been diagnosed 40 years ago? Knowing this, did you take any measures prior to the HTs?

Honestly this is how I feel about it: Clinic before surgery: "other than Sun/UV and injury within the first days NOTHING can harm your grafts or outcome." Clinic AFTER surgery: "EVERYTHING could harm your grafts from breathing the wrong air to sweating in the wrong moment. Good bye and good luck!"

There's a huge difference between the post op guides of each clinic. I assume the main reason for this is simply because there has not been done enough research on graft survival factors post op. There's one clinic that doesn't allow you to fly for more than 16 hours within the first 10 days because the cabin pressure reduces oxygen supply which kills grafts. Others think grafts are secure after 5 days so ultimately you're not sure what to think really. In general I wish post op guides would be more thorough and warn patients to watch out for certain skin conditions like lichen planopilaris ect. Most guides don't even mention folliculitis which is quite common apparently.

Most clinics will tell you that you could stop worrying about all those things after 2 weeks. But some are stricter than others. Grafts are anchored after 10 days - so you could only remove them surgically now. Best advice if to follow that instructions from *your* clinic. But be sure you avoid direct sunlight for the next couple of months!

Too much anaesthetic can cause much worse than hair loss. It can cause necrosis! Haven't heard that localised anaesthesia can cause permanent loss. General anaesthesia can cause temporary hair loss 3 months post op because in the state of suspension the body is shut down and the follicles are cut off the nutrients. Like shock loss it regrows.

How many grafts were needed for fixing half a hairline? My guess is 700-900.

You may not have a choice. Imagine you break your leg 4 months after your HT and need surgery right away to fix it.

Google "hair loss after general anaesthesia". Apparently is it's common after 3 months of surgery.

What happens if a patient has to undergo an unavoidable surgery (gen. anaesthesia) within first 12 months after he received a hair transplant? What happens to the grafts that haven't matured to that point? Will they be lost because they've been shocked into telogen effluvium due to anaesthesia before they had the chance to mature?

No disrespect but this is BS... There's only a small fraction of finasteride users that report these sides. I could easily 'get initimate' and do the whole show 3x a day if I had the opportunity. Been on fin for 11 years. No man boobs either.

I don't think saying paleo is psychologically unfit is a fair call. He invested 1 year of his life researching and saving up money. Another year waiting, hoping, and only getting a disappointing result. That would take a toll on anyone. He surely is vindictive and deservedly so. At least he got the machine turning! He made it crystal clear that we should question tech mills, esp those with motorised FUE! Even if they scored a recommendation on this forum.

Amazing result for only 5 months. Congrats. Really wonder why there's such a huge difference between you and less lucky Doganay patients... May be a big gamble depending on the techs assigned for the day.

Paleo, I hope this forum will help you in finding a good repair doc. I hope one of the docs here will chime in for an assesment and strategy plan. The clinic's response is a joke. And breaching privacy to add insult to injury. Unbelievable. Hope you get a full refund AND some compensation. At this stage HTN should really reconsider it's approach to recommending Docs with those kind of results and way of doing business. Just saying.

I am quite disappointed that the moderators accept this as a reason for poor growth. Either because it's pretty laughable OR because this forum repeatedly failed to warn us of the implications of jerking off post op. Basically no post op guides warn patients about this. Let's be honest the likelihood that you masturbate when you're in the hotel room totally bored for days is HUGE. If this really is an issue I feel let down by this community big time. The theory is that your grafts will pop because of the blood flow when you ejaculate... Re. the "gasoline story"... The guy had a drop of antifreeze on his head two weeks post op. I looked it up. So much for "your grafts are safe after 9 days". If the moderators accept this theory, this forum should reconsider the advise it preaches.

Sorry but you need to chill. Nearly everybody sheds - those are the rules of the game. Doing a HT with the expectation not to shed is as unrealistic a playing lottery with the expectation to hit the jack pot. It's now a waiting game - as it is for everybody else. There plenty of threads here that documents how shedded native hairs grow back as well.

If Lorenzo tells you to stop worrying about it, you should do so. For your overall wellbeing you should really stop drinking coke and replace it with green tea which has a natural DHT inhibitor and antioxidants. Coke on the other hand has absolutely no nutritional benefits. It has so much sugar in it that tricks you into a psychological addiction.

Bill, I really appreciate that you've been posting some of the explanations for poor growth. But if you accept these reasons as legitimate causes for sub par results, this site needs to do a MUCH better job communicating these so prospective patients are prepared for post-op recovery. The "sex post-up/graft popping" thing was raised recently but then dismissed as a joke. Every clinic has quite different post op instructions, maybe there should be an ultimate post op guide complied by this site that covers all risks. Patients could rely on that one and their clinics's guides for a best practice approach. I still find it very hard to believe that this one patient came so hard that his grafts literally popped up! Or the patient actually admitting that! Physical damage (eg trauma) by a sex partner is another matter.

11 years 1 mg 34 yrs DD boobs... Just kidding. Absolutely NO side effects. Re libido, I could easily go 4x a day. Seriously. If it would decrease my libido a bit, it'd be a blessing in disguise.

That FUE/FUT comparison case study is quite a shocker...

Honestly I noticed that clinics just loooooove to downplay the post op redness. Before the surgery they all say it's a matter of weeks. Then after the surgery "oh well might that a few months..." However the few months of suffering and seclusion will be worth it if you get a good result.

Wow never heard the "4 weeks no hats rule" and "no flying = air pressure = graft killer" rule. Same for the no hair under water for 1 year rule.... I hope this is cray cray and not new stuff to be paranoid over.... I only waited out 5 days till I was on a 24 hr flight... Then again this clinic is known for lousy results so I hope their post op manual editor is as lousy as their docs.

I am dying to know what these explanations were. Did they all suffer from lichen planopilaris or unique freak/mutant physiology? Went to the solarium 3 days post up and got fried? Sarcasm aside what could possibly these satisfactory explanations be? For educational purposes, patients and forums readers should know why growth can be poor. :confused: It feels like before surgery, patients are often sold the concept "if surgery is done by an expert, yield will be at least 90 percent"... Once the scabs come off after day 10 it seems like there are many untold secrets impacting growth... It's really frustrating.

Stop paying fees. I kid. (But I hope bad reviews will do it... )