Pekiner vs Pinto

[Adamix]

Hey guys!
I'm planning a small surgery (probably 1000 -1500 grafts) just to restore my hairline. Been stable on min/fin for years. No diffuse thinning, just hairline.

I don't care about budget here, just a simple question - which one is better? I have seen amazing cases from both.

[jjalay]

Pinto in my opinion. Have seen more cases from him and seems more experienced also. Pekiner is the best option in Turkey right now together with Bicer and fuecapilar.

[Belve]

I would prefer Pekiner. He has more patients posted results which are all amazing. His hairlines are very dense and natural. 

[Big Rome]

both really good options for hairline work 💯

[goatnole]

Both are very good. Can not go wrong with either. Pekiner has been in the business for many years and is known for making natural and most dense hairlines in the industry. Pinto is also a very known, and an ethic doctor, with good results and happy patients. Only little negative thing, is that is larger cases over 3000 grafts, I have seen some row pattern in Pintos work. In the smaller cases (like yours), all the results I have seen are flawless.

My experience is that Pekiner must be booked infinite. It takes at least a month for his coordinator Alex to reply on one single message. Pintos coordinator, Emilio, is one of the most dedicated persons I have met in this business. Easy and fast communication.

If you book now, I assume you can get an appointment in the beginning of 2025 with Pinto. With Pekiner, I dont know.  It is also possible to be on a cancellation list, if you are flexible on dates and can make an appointment on a short notice.

 

[Melvin- Admin]

Dr. Pinto hands down, he’s one of the best.

[goatnole]

12 minutes ago, Melvin- Admin said:

Dr. Pinto hands down, he’s one of the best.

So is Pekiner, specially in those smaller cases like TS is asking about. 

[Melvin- Admin]

39 minutes ago, goatnole said:

So is Pekiner, specially in those smaller cases like TS is asking about. 

In my opinion, he’s not at the same level as Pinto. Pinto is one of the very best in Europe. This is my opinion. You can agree or disagree, that’s your opinion.

[Adamix]

Thank you for your answers 🥰

Pinto said I'm too young and I don't need a HT, Pekiner accepted my case.

@Melvin- Admin what about Bisanga and Bruno Ferreira, are they better than Pekiner in your opinion too? 
And well, do you think that it is worth going with Pekiner anyways? On reddit he is like a god.

[goatnole]

3 hours ago, Melvin- Admin said:

In my opinion, he’s not at the same level as Pinto. Pinto is one of the very best in Europe. This is my opinion. You can agree or disagree, that’s your opinion.

Can you please share some more supplementary info that can confirm your statement? It is just too easy to make a statement without backup, only telling TS , "Pinto".

I have studied 40-50 of Pintos cases and same amount of Pekiners. In some of Pekiners cases there has been some multies that slipped into the hairline (I think 1 or 2 of all cases). With Pinto there is some row pattern implant in a few cases. So non of them is perfect, but really not far away from perfect.

Both of them have been i the business for almost 20 years. Pekiner under Kesers wings, before he opened up his own practice.

[goatnole]

55 minutes ago, Adamix said:

Thank you for your answers 🥰

Pinto said I'm too young and I don't need a HT, Pekiner accepted my case.

@Melvin- Admin what about Bisanga and Bruno Ferreira, are they better than Pekiner in your opinion too? 
And well, do you think that it is worth going with Pekiner anyways? On reddit he is like a god.

I have done some research on Ferreira. He and Pinto are from the same place in Portugal and they are friends. Ferreira is also an exceptional dr. Maybe a little bit less conservative than Pinto. There are more cases out there on different forums with Pinto, but that is probably because Ferreira did not open his own clinic before 2017 (I think 2017). All the Ferreira I have seen seems excellent.

Bisanga is also a top dr, but I did not consider him as an option, so have not done too much research. 

It is important that in the end you have to do your own research. Find all the cases of Pinto, Ferreira, Pekiner and compare them. (Are many different forums out there, not only this one) All of the surgeons have their own "signature" and style.  Find out which one you prefer.

BTW: Pekiner is really hard to book. If you got an appointment now, then you are lucky.

[jjalay]

37 minutes ago, goatnole said:

Can you please share some more supplementary info that can confirm your statement? It is just too easy to make a statement without backup, only telling TS , "Pinto".

I have studied 40-50 of Pintos cases and same amount of Pekiners. In some of Pekiners cases there has been some multies that slipped into the hairline (I think 1 or 2 of all cases). With Pinto there is some row pattern implant in a few cases. So non of them is perfect, but really not far away from perfect.

Both of them have been i the business for almost 20 years. Pekiner under Kesers wings, before he opened up his own practice.

Pekiner definitely does not have 20 years of exoerience in this field lol... He was never allowed to operate while being on kesers practise, he was there to see and try to learn. And that was before 9-10 years.

[jjalay]

45 minutes ago, goatnole said:

Can you please share some more supplementary info that can confirm your statement? It is just too easy to make a statement without backup, only telling TS , "Pinto".

I have studied 40-50 of Pintos cases and same amount of Pekiners. In some of Pekiners cases there has been some multies that slipped into the hairline (I think 1 or 2 of all cases). With Pinto there is some row pattern implant in a few cases. So non of them is perfect, but really not far away from perfect.

Both of them have been i the business for almost 20 years. Pekiner under Kesers wings, before he opened up his own practice.

You should check out this case from pekiner too:

 

[Melvin- Admin]

13 minutes ago, jjalay said:

Pekiner definitely does not have 20 years of exoerience in this field lol... He was never allowed to operate while being on kesers practise, he was there to see and try to learn. And that was before 9-10 years.

Yes, Pekiner is young. Probably in his late 30s to early 40s. No way he has 20 years of experience. Nevertheless, he’s skilled. 

Also, Pinto doesn’t implant in rows. He is the European Konior. He is meticulous. His skill and his ethics are at the highest level. Pekiner has a rep who moderates the Italian forum. He was caught astroturfing HARD on this forum. Questionable ethics at the very least. 

[Melvin- Admin]

1 hour ago, Adamix said:

Thank you for your answers 🥰

Pinto said I'm too young and I don't need a HT, Pekiner accepted my case.

@Melvin- Admin what about Bisanga and Bruno Ferreira, are they better than Pekiner in your opinion too? 
And well, do you think that it is worth going with Pekiner anyways? On reddit he is like a god.

Bisanga is fantastic, so is Ferreira. I think all of these doctors are worth researching. Ultimately, it depends on your goals, budget, and convenience. 

[goatnole]

10 minutes ago, jjalay said:

Pekiner definitely does not have 20 years of exoerience in this field lol... He was never allowed to operate while being on kesers practise, he was there to see and try to learn. And that was before 9-10 years.

Sorry, that was a typo. Was supposed to be 10, not 20. Pekiner started his own clinic in 2017. Prior that he was Kesers assistent, and worked as a surgeon at HLC

[Melvin- Admin]

One only has to search a few results here to see Pinto’s excellence.

Donor after 4 days

There are NO rows

This looks like it could be Koniors work it’s that clean. 

[goatnole]

7 minutes ago, Melvin- Admin said:

Yes, Pekiner is young. Probably in his late 30s to early 40s. No way he has 20 years of experience. Nevertheless, he’s skilled. 

Also, Pinto doesn’t implant in rows. He is the European Konior. He is meticulous. His skill and his ethics are at the highest level. Pekiner has a rep who moderates the Italian forum. He was caught astroturfing HARD on this forum. Questionable ethics at the very least. 

Pekiner is born in 1982. 20 was a typo, was supposed to be 10. He started as an assistent under Keser, I think 2010, and then started operating him self at HLC, before opening his own clinic in 2017. 

Yes, I know about this Italian forum-thing

Look at the Spanish forum. I found some of the larger cases (over 3000 grafts) done in rows. But like 90% are perfect. Same with Pekiner. Some few cases he let some multies slip in to the hairline

[Melvin- Admin]

I have never seen a case done with rows, but regardless, rows doesn’t equal bad.

For example, rows may be a better idea in places like the crown. So just because there are row like patterns doesn’t mean its bad. This is a dogmatic view. It depends on the situation. 

Rows do exist in nature, here’s a patient with zero hair loss in the crown. 

The hair is very close together and appear like horizontal rows. So this idea that rows are always bad is nonsense. It depends on the situation. As long as it’s not obvious and done in a way that maximizes density. I don’t see an issue with it at all. 

[goatnole]

44 minutes ago, jjalay said:

You should check out this case from pekiner too:

 

Ok, it is one case. It doesnt seem like it is the doctors mistake either. It seems almost similar to this one from Pinto. In the beginning the patient was blaming Pinto for the result, but in the end they found out that the patient had DUPA (see page 11 on this thread). Nothing to do with the doctor.

http://www.recuperartupelo.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=254&hilit=44pelos&start=150

Edited October 23, 2023 by goatnole

[goatnole]

21 minutes ago, Melvin- Admin said:

I have never seen a case done with rows, but regardless, rows doesn’t equal bad.

For example, rows may be a better idea in places like the crown. So just because there are row like patterns doesn’t mean its bad. This is a dogmatic view. It depends on the situation. 

Rows do exist in nature, here’s a patient with zero hair loss in the crown. 

The hair is very close together and appear like horizontal rows. So this idea that rows are always bad is nonsense. It depends on the situation. As long as it’s not obvious and done in a way that maximizes density. I don’t see an issue with it at all. 

Like I wrote before, some few cases. For example this one: 

Rows are visible, but the final result is not bad at all. But I would not like this pattern on my head. But like you are explaining, we are different and have different opinions

 

 

 

 

[ScottishGuy21]

Both are very good safe bets and among the best in Europe. I don’t think you can go wrong with either.

Surgeons can never have a 100% success rate. There’s so many variables and unknowns including undiagnosed patient related health issues. What’s important is if it does go wrong how do they react. Both above have acted admirably and offered repairs.

[goatnole]

48 minutes ago, ScottishGuy21 said:

Both are very good safe bets and among the best in Europe. I don’t think you can go wrong with either.

Surgeons can never have a 100% success rate. There’s so many variables and unknowns including undiagnosed patient related health issues. What’s important is if it does go wrong how do they react. Both above have acted admirably and offered repairs.

Yes, that’s correct. 100% success rate is impossible. Like we see in those 2 cases above, the doctors response was very ethic and good.

So both are top class. 1000-1500 grafts is anyway not that complicated. Sounds like a NW2, or maybe just a restoration of the hair line, so Pinto or Pekiner in this case sounds like a "coin toss"

Anyways, good luck 😊

[Melvin- Admin]

14 hours ago, goatnole said:

Like I wrote before, some few cases. For example this one: 

Rows are visible, but the final result is not bad at all. But I would not like this pattern on my head. But like you are explaining, we are different and have different opinions

 

 

 

 

These are not rows, they’re grafts placed further apart with less density. How else would the grafts be placed if they’re less dense? By your definition this Pekiner case is also rows.

[goatnole]

42 minutes ago, Melvin- Admin said:

These are not rows, they’re grafts placed further apart with less density. How else would the grafts be placed if they’re less dense? By your definition this Pekiner case is also rows.

I think you and I see this differently. No problem.  For me, it doesnt really matter who the surgeon is,  just providing TS the facts. I think both Pinto and Pekiner are excellent, and he will be in safe hands either way.