Dr Ahmad Moussa

[CAW]

Hi guys, anyone had their transplant with this Surgeon?

 

I'm booked in for a FUE, but is there any success story's on here?

He works out of Wimpole on Harley Street, and Surgery Group in Nottingham.

 

I'm a norwood 5/6 And he's suggested 2500 grafts first Surgery and possibly 1,500 second Surgery.

[Pbaird98]

Not a good choice bro, better Drs are around even in the UK. Use the Clinic name or Drs in the search bar and you can see for yourself.

Look to Europe to get more bang for your buck, and also access the elite Drs. If you must stay here in the Uk then look at Dr Reddy or Dr Manish as better options! 

[Pbaird98]

As a heads up even if this FUE went particularly well (unlikely) 2.5k isn’t enough to even address the frontal third. And the planned subsequent ht of 1.5k isn’t enough either, you will need at least 7k+ to give adequate coverage. 

[CAW]

16 minutes ago, Pbaird98 said:

Not a good choice bro, better Drs are around even in the UK. Use the Clinic name or Drs in the search bar and you can see for yourself.

Look to Europe to get more bang for your buck, and also access the elite Drs. If you must stay here in the Uk then look at Dr Reddy or Dr Manish as better options! 

Can I genuinely ask why you think he isn't a good Dr?

 

I'm seriously not trying to sound ar##y just genuinely Interested in your opinion. 

 

 

[CAW]

16 minutes ago, Pbaird98 said:

As a heads up even if this FUE went particularly well (unlikely) 2.5k isn’t enough to even address the frontal third. And the planned subsequent ht of 1.5k isn’t enough either, you will need at least 7k+ to give adequate coverage. 

Thank you for your reply.

 

Can I ask why you say its unlikely this op wouldn't go well? Again I'm genuinely not trying to come across defensive.

 

But when I spoke with the surgeon he suggested they wouldn't take more grafts out due to possibly over harvesting!

[Pbaird98]

Just now, CAW said:

Can I genuinely ask why you think he isn't a good Dr?

 

I'm seriously not trying to sound ar##y just genuinely Interested in your opinion. 

 

 

Of course, Look at the work done (here and anywhere else you can find) what’s important as a high Norwood is maximising every single graft, the Dr here is proposing is way too low to show a adequate improvement, this clinic seems to implant at a low density (see other results) I don’t like the hairlines they create, and I typically see multi grafts in them (should be singles), please show a pic of the donor areas. Out of curiosity how is you’re beard? Most clinics these days work with mostly scalp hair and supplement it with Beard grafts to achieve good coverage, with the higher Norwoods it’s often needed. 
Just look at the cases on the forum for Norwood 6, only a few are achieving decent result. The proposal of 2.5k then 1.5k simply isn’t enough, it’s really going to take 7k+ to pull this off well. What are your goals? 

[Pbaird98]

9 minutes ago, CAW said:

Can I ask why you say its unlikely this op wouldn't go well? Again I'm genuinely not trying to come across defensive.

If all the grafts grew in then it just wouldn’t be enough to give a decent result (cm2  density would be too low) and all clinics will have a certain percentage that won’t. 

[CAW]

1 minute ago, Pbaird98 said:

Of course, Look at the work done (here and anywhere else you can find) what’s important as a high Norwood is maximising every single graft, the Dr here is proposing is way too low to show a adequate improvement, this clinic seems to implant at a low density (see other results) I don’t like the hairlines they create, and I typically see multi grafts in them (should be singles), please show a pic of the donor areas. Out of curiosity how is you’re beard? Most clinics these days work with mostly scalp hair and supplement it with Beard grafts to achieve good coverage, with the higher Norwoods it’s often needed. 
Just look at the cases on the forum for Norwood 6, only a few are achieving decent result. The proposal of 2.5k then 1.5k simply isn’t enough, it’s really going to take 7k+ to pull this off well. What are your goals? 

I did message Eugenx Hair, and they suggested 5,000 grafts. 

Yeah I do have a good beard so I'm told. 

 

[CAW]

I'm 40 btw

[Pbaird98]

6 minutes ago, CAW said:

I did message Eugenx Hair, and they suggested 5,000 grafts. 

Yeah I do have a good beard so I'm told. 

 

Eugenix is giving a much more realistic plan for ht 1. They are particularly adept at utilising those beard grafts, Dr Sethi in particular is pretty high on most High Norwoods lists, along with Dr Pittella. Are you on a med regime? Fin would definitely help retain and strengthen your current hair. 

[CAW]

9 minutes ago, Pbaird98 said:

Eugenix is giving a much more realistic plan for ht 1. They are particularly adept at utilising those beard grafts, Dr Sethi in particular is pretty high on most High Norwoods lists, along with Dr Pittella. Are you on a med regime? Fin would definitely help retain and strengthen your current hair. 

No nothing mate.

 

I've actually paid a deposit (not sure if it's refundable) maybe I should look in too it a bit more. 

 

Eugenix suggested the surgery over two days and it would be completed. (I'm sure that's what they suggested)

I've literally just messaged Dr Sethi on Insta, see if he replies. I was pretty much hoping for a surgery soon as I'm very busy and had a nice window in January to have surgery and 5 weeks recovery.

[Pbaird98]

7 minutes ago, CAW said:

No nothing mate.

 

I've actually paid a deposit (not sure if it's refundable) maybe I should look in too it a bit more. 

 

Eugenix suggested the surgery over two days and it would be completed. (I'm sure that's what they suggested)

I've literally just messaged Dr Sethi on Insta, see if he replies. I was pretty much hoping for a surgery soon as I'm very busy and had a nice window in January to have surgery and 5 weeks recovery.

People arrive here sometimes too late and the procedure is done, in you’re case which really does need someone who performs particularly well in the higher Norwood category’s then it’s definitely wise to look at all the options. It does look like a total Eugenix love fest in here at times, but I can’t deny they pretty much put out the better results for the NW 6/7s ..

 

 

[Gatsby]

@CAW with your hair loss and a beard like yours I would be picking Eugenix. All the best!

[CAW]

PBaird, this is Eugenx proposal of 5,00-5,500 Grafts needed. 

 

So with your opinion of 7,000+ would you suggest I'm not going to get a decent result because I'd fall 2,000 grafts short?

 

Thanks 😊 

[Pbaird98]

Its looking like they are saying about 5.5k which they also mention meds would hopefully enhance it and prevent more loss. This is a good plan from what i can see, more grafts upfront and just enough to give light coverage to the crown. Transplants are very rarely one and done, especially holds true for Norwood 6, this will get good coverage upfront, and then does at least address the crown/midscalp. I do think another procedure later on would be a strong possibility, but 5.5k plus meds would be a great start! 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Pbaird98

[Pbaird98]

I think this thread/ongoing result could be of interest:

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by Pbaird98

[CAW]

1 hour ago, Pbaird98 said:

Its looking like they are saying about 5.5k which they also mention meds would hopefully enhance it and prevent more loss. This is a good plan from what i can see, more grafts upfront and just enough to give light coverage to the crown. Transplants are very rarely one and done, especially holds true for Norwood 6, this will get good coverage upfront, and then does at least address the crown/midscalp. I do think another procedure later on would be a strong possibility, but 5.5k plus meds would be a great start! 

Thank you for your input Pbaird98. 

 

Tbf Mr Moussa has suggested possibility of 5000 Grafts over 2 surgery's. 

 

So it's definitely giving me something to ponder.

 

I will look at the thread later today. 

[Pbaird98]

I see the upper end from Eugenix is 5700 grafts combined. I reckon this would be a 6k case when they see you in person, always varies on surgery day. Look at @Gatsbycase as well as all the other NW 6/7 Eugenix cases, you will find loads 🤜🏿

[CAW]

32 minutes ago, Pbaird98 said:

I see the upper end from Eugenix is 5700 grafts combined. I reckon this would be a 6k case when they see you in person, always varies on surgery day. Look at @Gatsbycase as well as all the other NW 6/7 Eugenix cases, you will find loads 🤜🏿

I've clicked on his name however Ii can't figure out how to navigate his thread of his surgery etc.

I noticed I was only allowed to post a few posts before begin locked out for 24hrs. (I find that a bit odd for a forum to discuss things) haha.

 

Thanks again

[Pbaird98]

Check out thread, its worrying to see that he implanted too low amount of grafts, and actually less than originally planned. 

 

[CAW]

25 minutes ago, Pbaird98 said:

Check out thread, its worrying to see that he implanted too low amount of grafts, and actually less than originally planned. 

 

If this Dr could guarantee me 3,000 first go and 2,000 on the next, plus adding 'meds' do you think it could be a decent outcome?

 

[Pbaird98]

14 minutes ago, CAW said:

If this Dr could guarantee me 3,000 first go and 2,000 on the next, plus adding 'meds' do you think it could be a decent outcome?

 

Not really as I don’t have faith he would do that amount, I would be heading to Eugenix who would be a much more viable option, they are well known for the success of Norwood 6/7. This Dr is not showing good results, and doesn’t seem to be implanting at a decent density. Eugenix are not the only consideration, you will also find Dr Pittella, Dr Zarev, Hattingen, Hasson & Wong and many others that can also be particularly proficient at the more advanced Norwoods. Dr Bisanga is another consideration since he also does combo hts (FUE/FUT) I don’t see a single NW6 case for this Dr, one posted by a actual patient independently. All I see is low amount of grafts and low density, you need a specialist here.. 

 

[CAW]

5 hours ago, Pbaird98 said:

Not really as I don’t have faith he would do that amount, I would be heading to Eugenix who would be a much more viable option, they are well known for the success of Norwood 6/7. This Dr is not showing good results, and doesn’t seem to be implanting at a decent density. Eugenix are not the only consideration, you will also find Dr Pittella, Dr Zarev, Hattingen, Hasson & Wong and many others that can also be particularly proficient at the more advanced Norwoods. Dr Bisanga is another consideration since he also does combo hts (FUE/FUT) I don’t see a single NW6 case for this Dr, one posted by a actual patient independently. All I see is low amount of grafts and low density, you need a specialist here.. 

 

Pbaird98, thank you for those suggestions 👍 much appreciated Dr Zarev's work in Bulgaria looks brilliant. I've contacted Dr Pittella and Zarev, see what their opinions are for me.

 

I see you're very active on most threads, can I ask your background with HT, to be very informative? Do you work in a clinic or something? 👍

 

 

Edited December 31, 2022 by CAW

[CAW]

On 12/31/2022 at 9:24 AM, Pbaird98 said:

Not really as I don’t have faith he would do that amount, I would be heading to Eugenix who would be a much more viable option, they are well known for the success of Norwood 6/7. This Dr is not showing good results, and doesn’t seem to be implanting at a decent density. Eugenix are not the only consideration, you will also find Dr Pittella, Dr Zarev, Hattingen, Hasson & Wong and many others that can also be particularly proficient at the more advanced Norwoods. Dr Bisanga is another consideration since he also does combo hts (FUE/FUT) I don’t see a single NW6 case for this Dr, one posted by a actual patient independently. All I see is low amount of grafts and low density, you need a specialist here.. 

 

Are there any British clinics to recommend?

[John Henry]

On 12/29/2022 at 3:16 AM, Pbaird98 said:

don’t like the hairlines they create, and I typically see multi grafts in them (should be singles)

Interesting that you would say this. Can you point to any examples of his work where there are multiple grafts in the hairline?