Senior Member mrkneed Posted February 9, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 9, 2009 If I was to use kirkland brand minoxidil v.s. rogaine would it work just as well?? My Hair Loss Website - Hair Transplant with Dr. Keene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mmhce Posted February 9, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 9, 2009 Yes. I've been using it for years, with positive response. They're chemically identical. take care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member lanthanos Posted February 14, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted February 14, 2009 hey mmhce do you say they are chemically identical from the label descriptions, or do you know of some cool study or lab that showed they really were identical? btw east of eden one of my favorite movies. "hey aron, how come you haven't asked me where I been" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member rjnebbo Posted March 6, 2009 Regular Member Share Posted March 6, 2009 The Liquid is Identical as the Patent ran out which is just one reason why they developed the FOAM (to keep that share of the market) Just like Dow lost there patent with R12 freon they pushed for the new R134a as that is their baby as well. Global warming, yeah right, politics baby! My Hair Loss Weblog - Hair Transplant with Dr. Siporin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mmhce Posted March 6, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted March 6, 2009 Interesting rjnebbo. I had asked the question on another thread if there was any evidence (scientific) that the foam migrates through the epidermis and dermis with any increased speed or has a longer potency (longer half life) but I guess that isn't true? take care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member lanthanos Posted March 8, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted March 8, 2009 I posted a reply to this on page 3 of this sub forum on Jan 3rd answering this question. It is a poster session abstract cited in the original rogaine foam paper. THE JOURNAL OF INVESTIGATIVE DERMATOLOGY ABSTRACTS A1 124:4 APRIL 2005 Uptake of minoxidil from a new foam formulation devoid of propylene glycol to hamster ear hair follicles R Stehle,1 G Ewing,1 J Rundegren2 and B Kohut2 1 Pharmaceutical Sciences, Pfizer, Inc, Kalamazoo, MI and 2 Consumer Healthcare, Pfizer, Inc, Morris Plains, NJ Post-marketing studies show that the present topical minoxidil formulations are considered oily and in some cases there are reports of skin irritation. A major cause of the apparent inferior cosmetic properties and adverse effects of the current formulations on the skin is the rather high content of propylene glycol. Thus a more cosmetically acceptable minoxidil foam formulation, devoid of propylene glycol was developed. In order to test the availability of minoxidil to hair follicles hamster ears were treated with minoxidil 5% foam in comparison to the current minoxidil 5% solution (Rogaine?® Extra Strength), which served as a positive control. The foam was liquefied by gentle heating to 40C and then 20 ??l was withdrawn with a positive displacement syringe and spread on the ventral ear surfaces of a hamster, continuously and lightly anesthetized by controlled inhalation of isoflurane. After 1 to 2 hours, the animal was sacrificed and the ears removed and carefully dissected to isolate the sebaceous gland minoxidil content as an aqueous solution. Each sample was analyzed by HPLC with electrochemical detection against minoxidil as an external standard. After one hour of minoxidil treatment of the hamster ears the foam showed a sebaceous gland uptake of 5.9% of the total minoxidil, while the positive control showed an uptake of 2.0% of the total minoxidil. After 2 hours of treatment the uptake from the foam was 6.5% in one series of experiments and 4.1% in another series of experiments, while the uptake from the positive control was 1.2% only. Thus the delivered dose of minoxidil from the foam to the hamster ear sebaceous glands after one hour treatment was about three times higher than for the minoxidil 5% solution. After two hours of treatment the minoxidil delivery from the foam formulation increased to 3.4 to 5.4 higher than for the minoxidil 5% solution. It is concluded that the new minoxidil 5% foam formulation is delivering minoxidil more effectively to the sebaceous gland of the hamster ear than does the current minoxidil 5% solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mmhce Posted March 8, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted March 8, 2009 This reminds me of the old addage: "There three sides to every story". I'm contented with the generic Kirkland and I already use 15% minoxidil. I've made my decision for surgical intervention. I don't think switching to foam will do anything for me. Others will have to give their own opinion. BTW good investigation/post lanthanos take care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member dabuski Posted March 8, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted March 8, 2009 Poor old hamster!.......sort of like Reservoir Dogs but with Minoxidil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member lanthanos Posted March 8, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted March 8, 2009 sorry mmhce I don't get the joke in your post. You do or you don't use 15% minoxidil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mmhce Posted March 8, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted March 8, 2009 Oh that wasn't a joke...at least I hope the joke is not on me, because I have used 15% minoxidil for a couple of years found here: http://genhair.com/ Alternately you can use Dr. Lee's formula here: http://www.minoxidil.com/index.html The higher concentrations, are used on the crown and hairline. take care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member lanthanos Posted March 8, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted March 8, 2009 I do have a bottle of Dr. Lee's 12.5% minoxidil. I didn't get the 15% because it says it is made with 20% glycerol, which must be extremely gooey. Which formula do you use, the one from genhair, or Dr. Lee's, and what differences have you noticed when you switched from 5% to 15%? thanks for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member mmhce Posted March 9, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted March 9, 2009 I use the genhair 15%. Some vellus hair turned into terminal hair. I never changed from 5% to 15%. I use them interchangably. I don't want to stray to far from the topic of mrkneed which is: Kirkland Minoxidil V.S. Rogaine Many people hijack other people's thread in a mis-interpretation of free speech. take care... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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