Senior Member azza786 Posted November 20, 2008 Author Senior Member Share Posted November 20, 2008 thanks eman...hopefully i will be looking where i should be at each stage of this process...hope you are coming along well 3608 grafts with dr h.rahal, june 2007 1623 grafts- dr h. rahal, november 2008 total- 5231 grafts My Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member azza786 Posted November 22, 2008 Author Senior Member Share Posted November 22, 2008 guys, just to let you know that i have now decided on my post op regiments and they are as follows: starting from next week: MSM SILICA TABLETS after 1 months post OP: NIOXIN SHAMPOO [ROGAINE 5% ( TO RECEPIENT AT NIGHT TIMES)- STILL NEED TO DECIDE BETWEEN FOAM OR LIQUID- ANY ADVICE WOULD BE GREAT]- still undecided so need to strongly consider even though dr recommends it. i am already on proscar 1.25mg eod so all in all im giving this MPB a good fight 3608 grafts with dr h.rahal, june 2007 1623 grafts- dr h. rahal, november 2008 total- 5231 grafts My Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member PLEASE GROW PLEASE Posted November 23, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted November 23, 2008 Foam Azza . The liquid can quite irritating for alot of guys . Plus that crap just runs down your face and neck I hated the liquid. Cant wait to see your results in 6-8 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member azza786 Posted November 23, 2008 Author Senior Member Share Posted November 23, 2008 thanks PGP...do you use the foam yourself? if so, do you think it helps and ye indeed, i cant wait till the 6-8 months either! 3608 grafts with dr h.rahal, june 2007 1623 grafts- dr h. rahal, november 2008 total- 5231 grafts My Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Eman Posted November 23, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted November 23, 2008 Azza- Like PGP said, the foam is a lot less irritating than the liquid. I used to use the liquid and when it would drip down my forehead I would wipe it off immediately and it would leave a red stread on my forehead. I like the foam in terms of ease of application and not too irritating for the sensitive/healing recipient area. There is a thread discussing the difference in ingredients between the foam and liquid which may be a good read for you: http://hair-restoration-info.c...861/m/1651054193/p/1 Per Rahal's instructions I have been using since the 2-week post op. The rogaine probably has led to my recipient area being drier than normal due to using it twice a day. I hope it helps and will do anything to help promote faster growth as I am sure you would like to do as well. Heal well My initial HT thread: done and done!! Check it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member azza786 Posted November 23, 2008 Author Senior Member Share Posted November 23, 2008 ye indeed eman..early growth would be nice... im going to delat my start like i said after 1 month..this way i will be completely at ease that everything has pretty much healed and that i got absilutely nothing to worry about..i know im all good now but when i start using rogaine i would also start to you use a stronger shampoo such as revita or nioxin so that whilst im helping in increasing the blood flow, i am also keeping my scalp in good condition. other than that i will be using MSM and proscar that will also play their parts so all in all i will have a good start. az 3608 grafts with dr h.rahal, june 2007 1623 grafts- dr h. rahal, november 2008 total- 5231 grafts My Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member azza786 Posted November 26, 2008 Author Senior Member Share Posted November 26, 2008 i just wanted to ask about shockloss, usly shockloss is referred to native hair in the surrondings of the transplanted hairs that can fall off as well as the transplanted hairs themselves. my question is that with the relative small number of grafts i have recieved and the fact that they have been implanted between transplanted hairs from last session and bare areas, does this minimize the chances of shockloss for me as to be honest i am 3 weeks post OP and i cant see any substantial evidence of facing shockloss just yet. thanks az! 3608 grafts with dr h.rahal, june 2007 1623 grafts- dr h. rahal, november 2008 total- 5231 grafts My Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member azza786 Posted December 5, 2008 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 5, 2008 its been 1 month now since post op HT2. as for progress, obviously its far to early to comment. interms of shockloss, i really dont know to be honest what parts have shocked or not...im relatively unclear at this point. with the combination of short implanted hairs, short native hairs, its hard to see. i must say though that relatively throughout, there are stubbles but who knows what could happen next. az 3608 grafts with dr h.rahal, june 2007 1623 grafts- dr h. rahal, november 2008 total- 5231 grafts My Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Eman Posted December 6, 2008 Senior Member Share Posted December 6, 2008 I hear you azza. It is hard to really tell about shockloss until the native hair or original transplanted hair grows back. Native hair should begin to come back again once you hit the second or third month or so. I think that I have some shockloss in the forelock and on the upper sides of the scar. Not too worried though and either should you. My initial HT thread: done and done!! Check it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael84 Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Azza, Big congrats for your second HT, for sure you cannot wait to see the result in the new year. Your certainly giving this a good fight. Best of luck with all. Im currently working in a date with Dr Rahal for maybe 9 months time, just wish it was sooner, and also from the UK, with only a few years on you, so you case is real interesting for me. Credit to Dr, Rahal and his team for inviting you over for your second HT to improve you situation and I really hope that everybody turns out happy, especially you. Im sure you will. Best of luck!!! Patient Advisor for Dr. Bisanga - BHR Clinic ian@bhrclinic.com - BHR YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcH4PY1OxoYFwSDKzAkZRww I am not a medical professional and my words should not be taken as medical advice. All opinions and views shared are my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael84 Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Azza, Just to ask a couple of questions regarding your case if you dont mind. Presumably it was your decision to spread the initial 3600 grafts over a larger area of your scalp, is this correct? If so, why was only 3600 grafts used. Obviously the amount of grafts is more dictated by characteristic rather than just chosen, and I realise the caution due to your age, but what was the motivating reason behind this number? Cant quite make out eactly from the pre HT1 pics, did the work go as far back into the crown but not quite covering all? Any other information or comments regarding these questions would be much welcomed. Thanks man!! Patient Advisor for Dr. Bisanga - BHR Clinic ian@bhrclinic.com - BHR YouTube Channel - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcH4PY1OxoYFwSDKzAkZRww I am not a medical professional and my words should not be taken as medical advice. All opinions and views shared are my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member azza786 Posted December 6, 2008 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 6, 2008 raphael, the initial aim was 3500. what the dr does it take out the strip for 3500 grafts but as you can make out, due to characteristics, density, laxity factors, it is possible to yield higher (or lower) graft count. we didnt say we wanted 3600 grafts, its just the way it turned out based on my personal characteristics. dr rahal took out the strip for a normal 3500 graft but found that we got 106 more than expected! its the case with anyone else. take dedom for example, they aimed for 2000 grafts, took out the strip for that as well but found that they ended up with 557 extra grafts! you cant just say that we want an X number of grafts and get that, its more a case of X number of graft +/-. the +/- is determined by the patients characteristics. as for my first procedure, we started from the hairline and went all the way to the border of the vertex/crown. we started with higher denisty at the front and reduced it as we went back as the priamry aime was to establish a hairline and get some covergae/ density on top. hope this helps! 3608 grafts with dr h.rahal, june 2007 1623 grafts- dr h. rahal, november 2008 total- 5231 grafts My Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member azza786 Posted December 6, 2008 Author Senior Member Share Posted December 6, 2008 Originally posted by azza786:raphael, the initial aim was 3500. what the dr does it take out the strip for 3500 grafts but as you can make out, due to characteristics, density, laxity factors, it is possible to yield higher (or lower) graft count. we didnt say we wanted 3600 grafts, its just the way it turned out based on my personal characteristics. dr rahal took out the strip for a normal 3500 graft but found that we got 106 more than expected! its the case with anyone else. take dedom for example, they aimed for 2000 grafts, took out the strip for that as well but found that they ended up with 557 extra grafts! the quote you get from doctors in consulatations is what they believe will give you the result you want, if not 100% then atleast 95-99%. yielding extra or lower grafts is based on what you bring to them. you cant just say that we want an X number of grafts and get that, its more a case of X number of graft +/-. the +/- is determined by the patients characteristics. as for my first procedure, we started from the hairline and went all the way to the border of the vertex/crown. we started with higher denisty at the front and reduced it as we went back as the priamry aime was to establish a hairline and get some covergae/ density on top. hope this helps! 3608 grafts with dr h.rahal, june 2007 1623 grafts- dr h. rahal, november 2008 total- 5231 grafts My Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member azza786 Posted January 5, 2009 Author Senior Member Share Posted January 5, 2009 hello comrades, i have updated my weblog at the 2 month mark. all detail can be found there as to how i feel at this point in time about the progress. thanks az! 3608 grafts with dr h.rahal, june 2007 1623 grafts- dr h. rahal, november 2008 total- 5231 grafts My Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular Member DeDom Posted January 5, 2009 Regular Member Share Posted January 5, 2009 Wow, Azza. The chicas in Berlin will call you McDreamie ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member azza786 Posted January 5, 2009 Author Senior Member Share Posted January 5, 2009 haha dedom you joker, where is your update? howz things pal? 3608 grafts with dr h.rahal, june 2007 1623 grafts- dr h. rahal, november 2008 total- 5231 grafts My Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member wantego Posted January 5, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted January 5, 2009 Azza I'm happy to see you making progress. You deserve it! 4374 grafts-7/2/2008-Dr Rahal 485 singles 2336 doubles 1526 triples 16 quads 9809 total hairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill - Seemiller Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Azza, Things are looking really good so far. It looks like you didn't experience any shock loss either, which is always a plus :-). Keep us posted, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member azza786 Posted January 5, 2009 Author Senior Member Share Posted January 5, 2009 thanks guys, Bill, how i would love to say you are right but i have had my fair share of shockloss, not to a great extent but to a fair extent. hope things just keep getting better! 3608 grafts with dr h.rahal, june 2007 1623 grafts- dr h. rahal, november 2008 total- 5231 grafts My Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member MikeTheDane Posted January 6, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted January 6, 2009 Looks great azza, we are both same age on 2nd procedure but 1 month apart! So happy growing! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 11/04-07 - 800-1600 ish grafts - danish clinic - poor results 12/02-08 - 2764 grafts - Dr. Devroye - good result but needs hairline density 03/12-10 - 1429 grafts - Dr. Mohmand - result pending Feel free to visit my picture thread My Hair Transplant Photos - Surgery with Dr. Devroye Young lads below 25 unite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member azza786 Posted January 6, 2009 Author Senior Member Share Posted January 6, 2009 thanks mike, hopefully it should get better for me and you. i really like your sig- young lads below 25 unite...LOL indeed! 3608 grafts with dr h.rahal, june 2007 1623 grafts- dr h. rahal, november 2008 total- 5231 grafts My Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member Eman Posted January 6, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted January 6, 2009 Looking normal azza!! Just sit back and begin the fun road of waiting. You are a veteran so you know the patience it takes. Thanks for the updates! My initial HT thread: done and done!! Check it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member MikeTheDane Posted January 6, 2009 Senior Member Share Posted January 6, 2009 yup - so why the hestitation to put it in yours? the quote that is. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 11/04-07 - 800-1600 ish grafts - danish clinic - poor results 12/02-08 - 2764 grafts - Dr. Devroye - good result but needs hairline density 03/12-10 - 1429 grafts - Dr. Mohmand - result pending Feel free to visit my picture thread My Hair Transplant Photos - Surgery with Dr. Devroye Young lads below 25 unite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member azza786 Posted January 6, 2009 Author Senior Member Share Posted January 6, 2009 thanks eman- veteren..lol..i'd never thought i would hear this so early in my life lol. mike- i got no hesitation but you are doing a good job. keep the flag up for us under 25's 3608 grafts with dr h.rahal, june 2007 1623 grafts- dr h. rahal, november 2008 total- 5231 grafts My Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senior Member azza786 Posted February 5, 2009 Author Senior Member Share Posted February 5, 2009 i have reached (yet again!) the first phase at 3 months. there is not much to report other than that its a mess up there with native hair growing back, some shocklossed hair yet to grow, a few hundred implanted hairs growing and some shocklossed hair growing back. even for a veteren (as eman puts it lol), the waiting game is never nice to face. i guess i have to just wait and watch. thanks az! 3608 grafts with dr h.rahal, june 2007 1623 grafts- dr h. rahal, november 2008 total- 5231 grafts My Hair Loss Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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