hairtech_

And you are so fair as to state anything positive and give a true evaluation of all posts.

go ahead and jump on the bandwagon... We resolved things here and you stirred it up again and for what? There is valuable information that only a few have asked about. Even BSpot sees this although in the beginning it wasn't so. WHy would you provide your opinion now after we resolved issues. Do you also feel like you have to hack me? Interesting.

I think I hit a record on a competatorsa site. In 24 hours I managed to be reinstated and re-banned. My stats are high too: 39 posts and 1131 views. I know what your going to say... Is that something to be proud of? No nbut at least here you guys let me voice my opinions and we resolved our issues. B Spot did you get to read the post before Mr. Mann trampled it? I know you like information and it was a good post.

B Spot and Bill,

And I quote,

"Hi Thomas:

I hope you guys made it back OK. Thanks for the picture. It sounds like you're back to work already. When you get here I'll get you access to photos. I also want you to know that if anyone of the people that you regularly post with wants to ask me a question all they have to do is E-mail me (jharris@hsccolorado.com) . I would be more than happy to answer any questions that they have..."

Whaq do you need from me?

B-spot,

I completely agree with you. Yes, a colleague of mine also was asking the same questions. Dr. Harris said he would be happy to provide pictures and we discussed this last Friday. I will send him this link for you so that he can see what folks are asking.

As for the instrumentation... Concerning FUE. He uses between 0.8mm and 1.0mm sharp punch to score the surface, then he follows that with his "dull" punch. The key is that he only wants to score through the dermis. The dull punch protects the bulbs upon pushing into the adipose. Hence, the safe approach. After the graft is punched, a tech immediately extracts the graft, places it in Plasmalyte A holding solution, and finally a microscope tech. checks the graft for its viability/transection counts/etc. At the moment... and this will change in the short future, he can perform around 1000 per day. If it calls for 3000 grafts, then he spans it across multiple days. Pretty much standard practice. Again this will change in the near future.

"I really feel that Dr. Harris is on to something, but without his cooperation online, others have made a name for themselves doing average work at best."

It is not that he is purposely uncooperative. He says he just doesn't like getting caught up with forum drama... you know... like we do. Not that he does not care... it is not his forte. He is busy with FUE research, writing the second edition of his book on HT (which involves defining FUE across the board) and is involved in a new technology that is entering a second phase of trials. He also has a family that he goes home to and puts work down.

The thing is, he did not ask that I post for him. He said if I wanted to, that would be great. So of course I am happy to post things about our surgeries and will begin to provide you Bspot/Bill/mrb/ etc pictures ASAP.

Once, I went to look at a house with a lady on a sunny day in her car, porsche convertible.

She noticed my bald spot, pulled over & got me a hat out the trunk! Mad

Um... like that is entirely too rude. Her own insecurities delt that comment to you. This is a gender no no statement and it might offend but women (the ones who act like the one in question) sometimes don't realize that as they get older their companion prospects lower drastically. On average, a Mans companion prospects continue to be high and does so as they get older... An example is the business professional at age 48 and is dating a 33 year old. Rarely does a 48 year old woman have as many prospects as a Norwood 6 48 year old man on average. SHe needs to count her chickens and put the hat on her head. I apologize for anyone that might think this is a cheavanistic (sp) post. That woman just urked me.

In my experience, it is only those with a hidden agenda who refuse to list their employed clinic.

In my experience, not everyone that refuses to list their employed clinic have hidden agendas and one who waits for more information, is better off so no one is wrongfully accused of the hidden agenda.

Just joshing but in jest of course.

Now on to the thread topic. What do you think about natural dht inhibitors, antioxidants, and other compounds that help healing? Does anyone have an opinion?

I have asked others to do this in the past, and they had no problem with it. The fact that you were so resistant looked bad and made it seem that you had some sort of hidden agenda.

Sometimes there are legitimate reasons for not doing what you ask. And the manner at which you asked created the "hidden agenda" that was unnecessary. As a matter of fact, one of the posters here wrote other persons questioning my background with certain physicians... which resulted in a confirmation of who I am. If you had asked me privately, after my refusal then I would have explained my reasons and now I can publically do so at my descretion. Not to dis-respect the great Pat Hennessey, but I'd rather be banned than to do something forcefully and especially when all allegations were untrue.

Anyway, I decided to take a full-time position with Dr. James Harris, MD. I had to sit and chat with him to make sure he would not mind that I continue to be unbiased in my posts and continue to state facts of my experiences in other clinics. He stated that he had no problem with my wishes and that conversation occured yesterday in Colorado. No I feel comfortable listing the docs I can provide information about. You see, Harris is trying to get the FUE word out to patients and doctors. He will hold several upcoming workshops, provide research , and do so in an open manner. He believes in spreading new technologies instead of hoarding them. That way more patients can be helped through physician and technician training and awareness.

Going forward... Lets move on and let's stir up information exchange and we all can help and learn from each other.

I need more feedback on post op products. When I was at Coles, I took notice on the healing times and other significant values when Haircycle was introduced. And believe me when I say this... I am a skeptic 10 times over, but when you notice over and over patients saying the same thing without asking then one realizes that this might be significant.

So far B-spot stated noticible changes when using graftcyte.

Why cannot we discuss these findings together. It is a worthy topic based on helping graft survival rates, decreasing iching, inflammation, oxidative stress protection, hydration of grafts. But is it?

Well I am sorry that you and I don't see eye to eye Bill. I think deep down we both strive to find better solutions for helping hairloss victims. Maybe we both have the same goal and we just need to get along.

Anyway, I cannot account for the many differences of the healing times but I try to look at it in a scientific way and don't just assume anything. I need hard data, soft data, or patient feedback. We got one such info from B spot.

As for my signature, I will add names the next time I post. I had to wait to make sure one particular doctor was hiring me fulltime. I don't mind adding names to my signature, it just would have been better if you would have been more professional about it by asking me in private. Instead you picked un-opportune times to bash, add all kinds of shady comments and speculations. Nevertheless no harm done. I hope we get feedback on the post op products.

Thank you for your comment and quetion. Devroyes rationale is that hydration is important. Coles, as well as Mwamba's rationale is also hydration and that is based primarily derived from the fact that that clinic before haircycle used saline spray every hour post op. The brainchild inventor of Haircycle... Truett Bridges, MD however performed research into what natural products would provide certain results around issues, i.e. "redness", scab reduction, protection of grafts from oxidation, etc.

PAI uses the graftcyte to "fix" the grafts so they won't move post op.

I have to go now. We have a large case of 4000 by FUT and I won't be able to post until late.

hairtech_

You seem to disagree often without thought.

Bill. Not without thought. It took you two weeks to reply and that tells me much about what sorts of thought processes you have. You are missing my point everytime. I am not being arrogant in in that your reply (in my opinion)was definitely without "thought" on the initial reply to the beginning of this thread. Doctors send patients home with post-op care products for reasons that they believe in. Remember... they are doctors, and maybe their medical knowledge of human physiology makes them what they are... doctors. Maybe aloe, isn't enough. Anyway...

Since everyone gave their opinion I want to give some input that other clinics do and see what you guys think.

Jon Devroye in Belgium has an intersting post op care practice. He makes the patient spray the grafted area every 20 minutes for 24 hours. No matter how tired the patient gets, he/she must continue to spray. And Devroye only uses saline. I think it is to keep the grafts hydrated.

Bosley... kind of scary here, but it is what they do. They ask that the patient not was the head for three days. And after that they can use head and shoulders or one of their own follicle sprays. The point is, they want the head to be dry post op period.

PAI uses graftcyte but in an interesting way. After the surgery and right before they leave, they spray graftcyte onto the recipient area, and then use a cool hair dryer which freezes or fixes the graftcye like hairspray. The grafts are kind of glued in, if you will.

Cole uses Haircycle, which is a biotin based spray similar to graftcyte but only in the way it is packaged. It was created by Truett Bridges, MD. The recipient area is sprayed once per hour for multiple days.

Cooley uses graftcyte.

Rose uses Saline.

Harris brings the patient back for an initial wash but does not use post op products.

MHR uses folligen spray. I think that is a proprietary formulation. I believe they also dont want to wash the head for a day or two.

I have not seen the graftcyte compress in a couple of years.

"The combination of shampoo, conditioner, cold compress, and concentrated spray reduced post-op redness and in general promoted over-all healing in the donor and recipient areas"

B-spot,

You bring up an interesting point and I have also seen similar results with haircycle concerning post-op redness, etc.

I wish we could get hard data or start a thread and bring patients reviews of products used. We cannot say that nothing works until we get more feedback. What are your thoughts?

I am surprized that no one has much feed back on this topic.

Great post B spot.

1. I have a question for hairtech guy or whatever he calls himself. Besides being able to quote some technical jargon to prove that you've worked in a hair clinic, what do you think is the single most important thing for a potential client to ask when considering a HT?

This is my opinion concerning new patients I don't believe there is a single most important question to ask. There are many equally important questions. One might be... "With the hairloss that I have currently, my age, the characteristics of my hair, my family history, my expectations, and my donor resources, what options do I have?

2. And a second question because with me always looking for a new career, what kind of dough do they pay you? By the hour or salary?

I am paid by the day.

3. As a consultant, who do you consult, doctors or patients? If a patient asks for advice here or via email, then I am happy to provide answers to questions that I know. For example and using your field of work as an example, a friend of mine asked me for advice on what type of cars are reliable? My friend know zero about cars. He knew that I knew something about them. He knew I was not an expert but since I frequently tinkered on my car and sometimes worked on a friends cars, that he trusted to ask what my opinion was on what I thought was a reliable car. A similar concept is seen here. If a patient sees that I am offering general information, about different procedures, and about different clinics, then I provide non-expert answers.

4. At a recent conference, the point was made by several prominent HT surgeons, that while there are always new and innovative techniques being discovered and shared in the HT industry, why is the industry in danger of shrinking in terms of quality surgeons? I cannot provide a definitive answer to that question. Maybe because there seems to be a few doctors that claim to have the best techniques and the best tools and for some reason they don't want to share what they know. Maybe there is an increase in self-proclaimed expert HT doctors who have little expertise. Maybe the larger corporate conglomerates, are hurting the private sector.

5. Do you find it difficult to actually learn and make assessments of so many doctors and clinics in such a short time? 5 years? Sometimes to learn a new clinic can be difficult. There are variations in technique that may take time to grasp. And I by know means am better than the top techs at the clinics I visit. But I am enthusiastic about learning new techniques, try to provide quality work, and have been able to grasp the concepts and apply them in every clinic thus far. My assesments provide unbiased information to general questions.

Thank you for the questions.

I take that as good constructive criticism. And I thank you.

Only 3 weeks ago, you had the gaul to send me your resume and beg me for a job. Problems at Dr. Cole's office? You were such a zealous defender of his only a few months back, what ever could have happened?"

 

I may have sent my resume to him, but I certainly did not beg to work with him.

 

***What an absolute lie.*** Why lie? Why would I beg anyone for work? And who cares where I send my resume? And yes while I was a full time employee of John Cole. I did defend him against Feller all the time. Everyone knows that he argues with many posters and doctors and does so without holding back the negative comments. I no longer work for John Cole, but I still believe in FIT and FUE and strip.

 

 

From JessicaWHTC

quote:

have to agree with Bill.

Sure, Dr. Mwamba has versatility with adjusting to different patient characteristics and physiology, but to say that he offers FIT/FUE to everyone is not accurate.For patients that have high laxity in the donor, strip is sometimes a better option, so that is what Dr. Mwamba suggests during consults. He tailors each surgery and each consult to the patient. Every patient is unique, so blanket statements typically do not apply to the medical field.

 

 

 

From HairTech_

 

quote:

Whatever... I stand corrected.

 

The "whatever" was for her comment of, " Every patient is unique, so blanket statements typically do not apply to the medical field."

 

She knows that I know this and she was being sarcastic.

 

The "I stand corrected", means I do not know all. That means I can be wrong. When I'm wrong I'm wrong. However, me being the type to come on strong has to now debate strongly for why I post what I have experienced. And as of January 2007, I cannot remember Cole or Mwamba, ever recommending a strip over FIT/FUE to any patient for any reason other than the patient themselves stating that they wanted the strip. Now if things have changed and now they recommend strip over FIT/FUE then that is new to me. Strip "recommended" over FIT/FUE because of high laxity in the donor region... at Cole's and Mwambas... right. FIT/FUE that was pioneered in the United states by that particular clinic, whose sole intention was to get away from the strip, is now recommending strip if the laxity is high enough. Interesting.

 

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I'm glad you bring point by point up because this may show what the concerns have been on this thread.

 

Thread heading is: " From a Technicians Point of View-- Hairtech"

 

 

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This is an interesting thread. So the "top techs" can contract themselves out to work under multiple providers, both independents and conglomerates? While I'm aware this is the norm in many industries today, doesn't it decrease the practices' accountability somewhat to "outsource" such a critical service?

 

What are your reasons for posting? Are you being paid by the doctors that you work for if you send them a consumer from this site?

 

I do have to ask...what is an Independent Clinical Consultant? The word independent leads me to believe you do not work for a specific clinic...but then what do you offer in your consultations? Just wondering...

 

Are you just giving yourself a fancy title or do you get paid for your consultation services? If you get paid for your services, what exactly are you charging for...advice? And if you are charging, why go to see you when you can get a multitude of free advice on the forums? Cheers my friend.

 

It is always interesting when someone shows up as a self-proclaimed hair expert.

While I have nothing against anyone and we certainly welcome opinions, extolling the virtues of Bosley, after working for some very good docs is pompous and ignorant.

 

Now, for someone who is so obviously intelligent to respond to a member like Bill with your really demeaning response, means little Tommy never learned to play well with others.

 

So, for the sake of that giant swollen head of yours, take it easy on us ignorant members, while your dispensing your knowledge with god-like authority.

It is up to you to play nice tommy....... and I suggest you do. Otherwise, you might not have as nice a time here as you normally would have.

 

And since when has quality of work provided or lack there of,with the CLINICS you've been through, resulted in dismissing anyone?The guys here are just being diplomatic .I smell decay.I think your marketing youself.

 

Wait until tommorrow mi amigo. You know what 5+ years makes you? Dangerous.

To foolish to know what you don't and to arrogant to know the difference.

Unfortunately you could care less.

 

 

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Holy Creep what a tough crowd!

 

Hairtech, I'm not sure if you are here trying to advertise your services, but if you are you should be aware of the numerous Florida Administrative Code sections which regulate you, including your ability to advertise:

 

Hoping - That was beautiful...

Does this mean driving through a school zone at 100 mph when the lights are out is'nt o.k.I have a BSA in BulS there fore I think I know more than I DODO.

Perhaps someone should inform .

 

One other thing, I am not certain that a medical assistant, under Florida Law, is qualified to actually insert the grafts into the holes made by the physician.

I guess you can add this experience to your long list of accomplishments.

Later,

J

 

I guess you can add this experience to your long list of accomplishments.

Later,

J

 

I usually don't get involved in some of these lengthy threads because I believe many times they become counterproductive for help on hair loss, AND, I really don't have the spare time to stay up with them.

 

 

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hairtech, here's what your post sounded like:

"Hi. I'm an expert on hair restoration and will answer any question you have. I have worked all over the US for many unspecified doctors. I may or may not have a degree in a field I won't specify. I worked for someone for 4 years, yet I managed to fit an unspecified amount of other jobs into 5 years. I have no agenda. Anyone who disagrees with me has an agenda. Praise me for I am smart."

 

Please don't go Hairtech - you added a level of humor to the board that is needed at times. While I never found your posts useful or informative, they definitely made me laugh - especially your last one in this thread. Maybe if your busy consulting schedule allows time, you can find some lucrative work writing comedy.

 

Would list each Doctor that you have worked with in each state that you list ? Have you ever performed the "punch" aspect, or have you seen other techs doing the "punch" aspect ?

 

Sure, doctors always call on unlicensed medical personnel, who don't even work for their office, to come in and help out in surgical procedures. It happens all the time . . .in fantasy land.

 

hairtech_

Excuse me for having a hard time believing this...but if you are NOT being compensated by Dr. Rose in ANY way...why are you there and WHY is he letting you assist with surgeries?

 

Hairtech,

Why do you think you aren't getting any "serious" questions and topics thrown your way? Most likely it is because of your insulting habit of twisting forum member names into negative hair and scalp references as you just did with Bill with the empty follow-up of "oops, I apologize for that". It's like you're in the third grade. Stop being insulting then people might take you seriously enough to engage you and your vast experience.I should inform you that this is not a community that puts up with self proclaimed know-it-alls. Share your experience and engage in conversation...but leave the childish behavior at home.

 

I thought this guy was leaving?

"Every time I try to get out..... they keep pulling me back in!!!!!!!!!!"

LMAO!!!

 

Another day in Tampa and he would have been tell DR. Rose about the abstracts of angulation.So perhaps the flight home was not compensation. Where next hairspech ?(ooops my keys got stuck) Crown cosmtic. They need an saline runner. Did you by any chance stay at a Holiday Inn recently?

 

Hairtech,

Do you think that you are representing the Doctors that you work for in a positive light. I would like to hear from some of those Doctors if they are paying attention to these posts.

 

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HHHmmm, all I can say is WOW! I never once claimed to be an expert. I claim that I have seen a variety of clinics and offer information in an unbiased manner. Why, because this information might be interesting and I have never come across anyone offering it. And again again and again, we keep ranting back and forth. It seems to be a little one sided, because if any of the ghost posters that really cared about what I might have to offer which is general unbiased information about different clinics, then there would be less derrogatory comments. I was about to leave this forum but I changed my mind. I came back to try again for a couple of reasons. 1. I felt well if I am too strong with my posts, then I should try even more not to be me and tread water lightly and just ignore the negativity.

 

2. Despite what you may think, there are many many many "ghost readers" out there, that research HT continuously before they have it done. You know the ones who come into the clinic, sit in the chair and you are chatting with them about how they came across your clinic. They say, "Well I researched online at Hairlosshelp.com, hairsite.com and hair-restoration-info.com for many months before I decided to go to DR. X."

 

And these folks see what goes on within these communities without posting a single post on a site that is supposed to benefit the patient. So the negativity here which is clearly one-sided is not something that benefits the patient. It is not something that was created soley by my answering to repeated erroneous and dis-respectful questions/comments from the same few posters (who has his/her signature of who they associate and recommend patients to) on this thread. It is being read right now by prospective patients and clinicians. They see and read these comments. Why be this way in public? Why not look at my reasons for being here as what they are? And compromise by being fair. I am on your side.

 

Bill. Have Pat email or call me personally so I can give him my side of the story before being banned from this open, friendly, and certainly fair consumer website for my unwanting to post a physician's name under my signature. I cannot be unbiased in that manner and I still think it is not something worth banning someone for.

That's probably because you respond too quickly before you think OR you simply don't think that anyone has enough knowledge to challenge your "vast experience".

 

What are you talking about? No one has challenged anything execept Bill on a different thread concerning post op. products and it is what these forums are for. Opinions vary and we all should provide input into what we know about this industry for the benefit of the patient. Instead of assuming something about me try asking me relevant questions to hair. If I don't know, I won't answer. I don't think that I am all knowing.

 

When it happens, you have been caught off guard.

 

What?

 

 

I should inform you that this is not a community that puts up with self proclaimed know-it-alls. Share your experience and engage in conversation...but leave the childish behavior at home.

The only childish behavior I see is the continued talking about my personal work history.

(((5+ years of hair restoration as a hair technologist for multiple world renowned physicians and exposure to large corporate entities in hair restoration. With this experience, I can offer UNBIASED answers to questions to procedures in different settings.))) This is not to be interpreted as "all Knowing" or vast of anything. It was put there to pick my brain for information.

"think hairtech_ is hairobservator in disguise "

Bill u said this to me and I laughed. It was funny to me and not taken for what it probably was written for. It is part of the forum.

Bill.,

"Regarding serious topics...many members have engaged you in several, including me. And

though I don't like to rub anything in anyone's face, you have proven to be wrong on more than one occasion."

This statement is simply not true. Proven wrong about what? Maybe coming on strong, but until now not one person has asked anything about hair. I read the whole thread again just to make sure. I come on strong but it not meant in that way. I told you I just cut to the point.

Jotronic,

your right sometimes I twist the letters around for fun and it began with you many years back. But it was for fun but if it offends you I won't call you jotransectronic any longer. Sorry Jo. You either Bill.

That's probably because you respond too quickly before you think OR you simply don't think that anyone has enough knowledge to challenge your "vast experience". When it happens, you have been caught off guard.

I should inform you that this is not a community that puts up with self proclaimed know-it-alls. Share your experience and engage in conversation...but leave the childish behavior at home.

For Epstein I will be able to answer questions in about a week.

For now I can answer Rose's and Cooley's questions.

what graft storage solution do each of them use?

Rose uses saline. Cooley uses a combination of hyperthermisol and DMEM.

"vibrating chair" for patients when administrating the anesthesia?

Rose no. Cooley no, however a vibrating hand held device during injection for Cooley.

do they each custom-make blades at the clinic? Rose does, Cooley does and SP 90/91 for both etc

what is the LARGEST or MAX session size in terms of # of grafts do these doctors do? They both will do large session if that is what the patient wants and/or needs.

do these doctors place grafts on the HAIRLINE on every patient themselves? Rose has a tech

that has been with him for 15 years who places most of the hairlines. She is very particular. Rose checks and and rechecks the hairline and places some of the hairline. His techs all have been with him for long periods of time. Cooley places a bit more in his cases. One of his techs is also his top placer for which he trusts for hairline as well as trained by him.

how old are these doctors in terms of age, if I may ask? 40s, 50s 60s? Rose somewhere in his 50's and youthful. Cooley somewhere is his 40's and youthful also.

to your knowledge, how often do these doctors do repair work? That question I do not have cardinal knowledge of but I will add it to my list.

are all these doctors comfortable in prescribing generic finasteride (versus propecia)? That question I do not have cardinal knowledge of but I will add it to my list. I can tell you that they readily prescribe Propecia.

falsclrosis,

oops, I apologize for that. I was under the impression that when u mean compensated, that you meant compensated to post, or to refer patients as means of deriving financial gain, like most posters. Well hell yes I'm compensated as a hair tech.. And at the beginning of this thread I listed every doc or entity that I am associated with. And no I will not list everyone of them on myfor any one doc.. signature. I am not an advocate for any particular physician. I am here to answer questions to folks and others interested in gaining knowledge of what is out there in other clinics that might interest or inspire a doc., tech., or patient. Not one person has yet to bring up a serious topic.

Now I will re-list my initial post on this thread so you can see the exact associations I have with doctors. And again the things I like to talk about.

I have been very fortunate to have surgical experience in: Follicular Unit Extraction(FUE), Follicular Isolation Technique(FIT), Body Hair Transplant (BHT), and repair case, i.e. plug redistribution as a technician. My experience spans to these highly respected physicians, Dr. Mwamba, Dr. Rose, Dr. Devroye, Dr. Cooley, Dr. Bisanga, Dr. Reyes, Dr. Baumann, Dr. Epstein, Dr. Cole, Dr. Harris,to name a few. Even more importantly, and somewhat controversial for my own personal reasons, I chose to get experience with large corporate entities such as Bosley, Medical Hair Restoration (MHR), PAI Medical Group, and Nuhart Hair transplant. These experiences put hair restoration in total prospective.

I was surprised a few times as well as having to adjust my personal biases primarily from the many great results from many of the physicians. I can answer simple questions such as, "Do they use microscpoes? Y/N. DO they use specific storage holders? HEPES, BSS, SALINE, DMEM, etc. What types of closures? tricophytic, ledge closure,, modified ledge closure, standard, inner layer/outer layer, What Post-OP solutions do they Use? SALINE, HAIRCYCLE, COPPER DIPEPTIDES, etc. I will not be biased on this thread to any physician or entity.

I disagree with you emphatically. Seriously, if you really think about the healing of the recipient areas in a general sence. One could hypothesis a way to... oh... let's see... ah yes, "feeding" the grafts a small dose of electrolytes especially glucose to to "hold" them over until circulation is re-established which occurs in days. And hey maybe an anti-oxidant or two, to attempt to protect vulnerable grafts from free=radical damage. How about natural enzymes? Yes, this might decrease bacterial growth from excessive scabbing or trapped bacteria. Enzymes could help to slowly digest the scabs. And since one could hypothesis that this mixture needs to be delivered in a water based or saline based solution, then that would help keep the grafts hydrated. Aloe could be added also. I like aloe too falsc.

Now if one considers a post-op spray that has a few if not all of these indredients, then that person might deduce the following potential outcomes: If a chemist can properly compound such a formula in a safe spray form... If used properly by the patient meaning frequency from the time they either step into or out of the HT clinic... Then I would have to say that there WILL be a greater chance, in a general pool of HT patients, that healing times may decrease. And decrease significantly enough to raise an eyebrow or two. And with that decrease might very well keep a few of them from shedding first.

Consider "healing" of an individual as a relative variable to that individual's normal length of healing time. Then that statement alone cuts most of your variables mentioned out of the healing factor.

What in general do we know about the length of time it takes for a typical patient's grafts to fully heal with a minimal post-op protocol. 10 to 14 days on average comes to mind. And during this time period, the graft first has to wait several hours while a fibrin clot forms and anchors the graft so that angiogenesis can initiate capillary re-growth to the graft which by that time is already starved, ischemic, dehydrated, exposed to oxidative stress, UV, and free-radicals.

I agree with you that there are a few companies that claim certain outcomes. And this is why I wanted to kick up a discussion about post operative solutions and data from first hand experiences. It is an important topic and I hope others respond to this. Aloe... yeah it is good also.

They say the cultured cells grow pretty well on nude mice. However, the human trials are not so good. Dr. Rose says the orientation is not predictable and that the type of hair that will grow is not yet controlled, i.e. all types of curly, straight, etc. grows at once.

Does anyone have any hard data of the post-op shampoos, sprays, gels, etc.? I mean in terms of comparing them, the different healing times that the products are providing? Any issues. Any product that stands out?

Does anyone have any hard data of the post-op shampoos, sprays, gels, etc.? I mean in terms of comparing them, the different healing times that the products are providing? Any issues. Any product that stands out?