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Jotronic can't really do anything but come on here and back his clinic's work, but I'd still be interested to hear what his responses to all of these concerns are.

If your research has caused you to rule out Bosley, but you're currently impressed w/ MHR, then you haven't done enough research. The two go together in any educated patient's mind, and it's imperative that you avoid them BOTH.

Yeah, I would do more research if I were you. If you don't know what a graft is o.r how many grafts you got, and believe that Bruce Willis would go to Scandinavia for a HT (LOL), you should educate yourself more about this whole process. I hope it turns out well for you, but given your state of knowledge you're vulnerable to be misled. The measurement you've given of 120-130 hairs/sq. is a meaningless unit. You should know how many grafts per sq. cm. you received and how many grafts total were transplanted. Otherwise, what did you pay for? Best of luck

Give us more details about your work. Doctor, graft count, hair count, etc. But your question seems really naive--don't you know that at 2.5 months you won't see any results yet? You probably look worse b/c you experienced some temporary shock loss of the native hairs in the transplanted area. It's WAY too early for you to be concerned about growth.

yeah, good point.

Some of you should let it rest; Epstein is obviously one of the best, and I appreciate this very impassioned response. It must be hard to do such great work and still feel like you can't win sometimes b/c anybody with nothing better to do can nitpick you to death in cyberspace and stir up muck in the ether. I live 4 blocks from that NYC office, and probably would not spend money on the consultation fee, nor would I push to have it waived since that would be unfair to someone who really needed that done; nonetheless, I understand his rationale and its his business decision to make. If you don't like it, Bernstein's a few blocks uptown, True a few blocks downtown, and Dr. Rose is on Park Avenue now, too, maybe even in the same building.

I'd like to hear physicians' thoughts about body hair transplantation, especially since this issue has been raised in recent days vis-a-vis tony71's case in the recent Dr. True thread. Since Dr. Feller seems to be around today, perhaps he could start us off? Or some other physician with views either pro or con?

I'd like to hear physicians' thoughts about body hair transplantation, especially since this issue has been raised in recent days vis-a-vis tony71's case in the recent Dr. True thread. Since Dr. Feller seems to be around today, perhaps he could start us off? Or some other physician with views either pro or con?

I had a bad feeling we wouldn't hear back from him.

Tony,

The body hair route is controversial--I assume that's the final option since your back hair donor would be depleted? Can Dr. True comment on body hair yield, % of hairs that are in resting phase at any given time (much higher than head hair from what I've read), and his experience with BHT in his practice? My sense is that nobody has had very good results with it so far, and I'd hate to see Tony be disappointed with the results all over again. Anybody else see this as a possibility?

hang in there, bro. we're with you. bushy is a good example, so take heart.

By, eat your pride or you're about to become another Bosley fool who'll be back on these boards in a few months time crying about how your procedure turned out as we all know it will. Get your money back, do your homework, and choose a competent doctor. You won't get feedback on actual experiences w/ only 3 days left to go because your doctor is a nobody and the company he works for doesn't have your best interests in mind. PERIOD.

wow, Landen, brilliant uncovering of a contradiction (in your own mind). you can support disclosure of hair counts in principle for the education of all patients while still not being personally hung up on them as long as results are good. now why don't you just SHUT UP already? your posts are getting to be a real drag and waste of everyone's time, and i would rather read productive contributions to this thread than your petulant and overly literal reading of other people's prose. put a sock in it already, bro ....

is Landen just Mahair back in a new incarnation?

I see that hair counts started going up on the truedorin website this very day. Bravo--isn't taking long for some coalition members.

He doesn't sound vague, really, it's just that he told you things that you didn't want to hear. Obviously, your hair characteristics are not great, and your donor density is very low, which means 6000 grafts would be pushing it as an outside limit. I'm also guessing that you're probably 25 or so, 30 tops, which means he's being conservative and doesn't want to see you rushing into surgery. As far as a Master Plan, if 800 grafts is all you could take now, it doesn't sound like your loss is that extensive. Nevertheless, that amount could make a cosmetic difference, but it's hard to tell without seeing any pics of your situation. Can you post some?

thanks Mrjb. just thought you might have some nice results to share. you sound happy nonetheless, so good for you.

Yeah, mandatory shaving, like lateral slits, is one of the many overhyped practices you'll read about as you get further into forum posts. You'll notice a pattern emerging in who the advocates are.

Mrjb, do u have pics u could send me privately of your results?

I wouldn't want techs doing the incisions, but the lateral slit orthodoxy as summarized above sounds overstated. Needless to say, the scholastic debates about slit orientations will rage on, but one of Shapiro's techs stated on here just last week that their practice has observed no advantage using lateral slits over other orientations, and they do some of the best hairlines in the world. I think doctors such as Keene, True, and others would disagree with the lateral orthodoxy as well, as they mix up their slit orientations as well. Sometimes there seems to be a fine line on this board b/w patient education and clinics selling their particular approach as the best (see Pat's post on whores, shills, pimps, etc.). Don't believe the hype entirely; Seager also did Dr. Feller's hairline, and that one looks pretty damn good to me. I think Seager is a solid choice.

Number of procedures performed also seems a bit irrelevant since most of them would not have been pure FU procedures. I don't understand the math either. Such a bragging point doesn't seem like a criterion for picking a surgeon at all.

That's fabulous news, Tony. And very generous of Dr. True. We'll look forward to his reply, but all sounds in keeping with the great reputation True/Dorin have built in recent years.

PAT, any progress or word back from Dr. True yet?

Congrats on what looks like a great procedure, but I think sometimes I don't understand how Drs. use the Norwood scale in classifying hair loss. No way do these pics look like a NW2-3, way way more advanced than that. NW2's don't get 3500 grafts!

Propecia wasn't FDA-approved for MPB until 1998, so he couldn't have been taking it before getting his first 'plants w/ True. Some guys took Proscar for hair loss off-label before then, but it doesn't sound like he had enough knowledge about finasteride then and didn't want to take drugs anyway. I agree, I'm not suspicious and I was the first one to raise the Farrel issue in this thread. Again, we need True's response. I hope we're not waiting around for days before it comes.