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Re: Pitting or coble stoning on the scalp
From: Pat - editor and "Recovered Bald Guy"
Date: 2/7/01
Time: 9:38:14 AM
Remote Name: 12.72.157.15
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Thanks for the great post. You raise an important consideration. Some times pitting or coble stoning can occur, especially with the more invasive procedures using larger grafts like minis. Technically a patient will have a scar at every incision. But when done right, this scar should not be noticable to the naked eye. I know in my case I have absolutely no issue with any scalp irregularities. After my first surgery, about 6 weeks later after all my tiny newly transplanted hairs had shed, my scalp looked exactly like it did before surgery. So I knew I had no deformations.
My understanding (and I'm no hair surgeon here) is that pitting occurs when the grafts are placed to low and that cobble stoning can occur when the graft is to big or misfit in the recipient site and so it pushes the skin up or distorts the scalps surface.
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From: Mark in Ohio
Date: 2/6/01
Time: 1:26:22 PM
Remote Name: 12.72.157.3
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I'm concerned about irregularities on the scalp resulting from surgery. Did you have any after your surgery with Dr. Shapiro?
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From: Pat - editor and "Recovered Bald Guy"
Date: 2/7/01
Time: 9:09:50 AM
Remote Name: 12.72.157.15
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DT, Thanks for your thoughtful and very well thought out post. The artistry element of hair transplantation is an intangable that is hard to assess often. It is really know big technical secret as to how to do microscopic 1,2,3, and 4 hair naturally grouped follicular unit grafting. Yet why do so few surgeons truly have it mastered? I think this is in large part due to the artistry missing. I mean, give two people the same canvas, oil paints and brushes and tell them to paint a house and just watch how the results vary. Some doctors just don't seem to have that kind of sensativity. After all, what were some of these doctors thinking when they were pop riviting plugs in a line virtually below their patient's eyebrows? Some how Dr. Shapiro really pulls it all together.
As for my schizoid hair (ie changing colors), when I was bald I would have settled for virtually any color hair as long as it was mine. But now I'm getting more particular and have decided gray hair won't do. I now color my hair brown. I know the old adage is that salt and pepper hair and blonde hair are best for hair transplants, but when the work is this natural I don't think this adage holds true any more. I think the color of the hair was more of a factor when doctors were playing the shell game of disguising their mini grafts (or God forbid plugs) with micros and needed all the help and camouflage they could get.
Thanks for posting I hope to hear more from you and best wishes too you in achieving a fully natural hairline.
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From: D.T. from California
Date: 2/7/01
Time: 7:44:20 AM
Remote Name: 152.163.207.51
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Hello there all. First of all, your results pat fom the photos are masterful. They are truly magnificant. I toohave gone through this process. For 6 years now. Have had work done at the NEW hair Institute with William Rassman (2 procedures) & one of his associates (Dr. Mclellan). I have to say that in terms of science and technicial proficency, there is no doubt, they have reached a zenith. however, in terms of artistry, and creating a truly undetectable hairline like yours, this is not the case at NHI. It is interesting that Dr. Shapiro worked for Dr. Rassman originally. I must say that his artistry is his own talent, like a painter. The science is only 1/2 the equation here. The artistry is the other half. It is rare to find both. Rassman trained Dr. Shapiro in the science & technique, but Dr., Shapiro's work does not have the NHI signature look. In terms of hairline creation: I have undergone extensive electrolysis to make my hairline more natural. It seems that even if they graft 1 hair units, some are in a dormant phase, and in up growing in 2's at the edge of the front hairline even. This is unavoidable since all hair goes through dormancy phases. therefore, we all will always get some degree of 2's in the front edge of the anterior hairline. I have gone through electrolysis to change these 2's into 1's. Also, I have brought in a painter to take hairs out along the hairline to create a more uneven/erratic hairline. Creating small canals of emptiness (like in a real life hairlines). It seems that my doctors love creating dense zones with no spaces or gaps which is essentail to a natural hairline. However, Pat it seems as though all these ideas which i have cultivated and developed through my experiences, has already been perfected on your work. From the looks of it, you have it going on. however, just a few questions. 1) I notices that the best work is with guys who have tuffs of already existing in hair in the anterior edge of the hairline. it looks like you have some in the front middle. This really adds wispiness and nauturalness. most guys who dont have that, it seems dont come out as good (even Shapiro's work) 2) Your hair look lighter in the photo with Dr. Shapiro. Did you color it. I notice that the lighter the hair, the better the result. Blonde hair and white skin look great, they blend in to each other. Is this why your hair is lighter?
Look forward to our exchange,
Sincerely,
DT
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From: D.T. from California
Date: 2/7/01
Time: 7:44:20 AM
Remote Name: 152.163.207.51
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Hello there all. First of all, your results pat fom the photos are masterful. They are truly magnificant. I toohave gone through this process. For 6 years now. Have had work done at the NEW hair Institute with William Rassman (2 procedures) & one of his associates (Dr. Mclellan). I have to say that in terms of science and technicial proficency, there is no doubt, they have reached a zenith. however, in terms of artistry, and creating a truly undetectable hairline like yours, this is not the case at NHI. It is interesting that Dr. Shapiro worked for Dr. Rassman originally. I must say that his artistry is his own talent, like a painter. The science is only 1/2 the equation here. The artistry is the other half. It is rare to find both. Rassman trained Dr. Shapiro in the science & technique, but Dr., Shapiro's work does not have the NHI signature look. In terms of hairline creation: I have undergone extensive electrolysis to make my hairline more natural. It seems that even if they graft 1 hair units, some are in a dormant phase, and in up growing in 2's at the edge of the front hairline even. This is unavoidable since all hair goes through dormancy phases. therefore, we all will always get some degree of 2's in the front edge of the anterior hairline. I have gone through electrolysis to change these 2's into 1's. Also, I have brought in a painter to take hairs out along the hairline to create a more uneven/erratic hairline. Creating small canals of emptiness (like in a real life hairlines). It seems that my doctors love creating dense zones with no spaces or gaps which is essentail to a natural hairline. However, Pat it seems as though all these ideas which i have cultivated and developed through my experiences, has already been perfected on your work. From the looks of it, you have it going on. however, just a few questions. 1) I notices that the best work is with guys who have tuffs of already existing in hair in the anterior edge of the hairline. it looks like you have some in the front middle. This really adds wispiness and nauturalness. most guys who dont have that, it seems dont come out as good (even Shapiro's work) 2) Your hair look lighter in the photo with Dr. Shapiro. Did you color it. I notice that the lighter the hair, the better the result. Blonde hair and white skin look great, they blend in to each other. Is this why your hair is lighter?
Look forward to our exchange,
Sincerely,
DT
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From: DT (California)
Date: 2/7/01
Time: 1:02:16 PM
Remote Name: 152.163.204.57
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It sounds like what you done if very fixeable. In fact I have a good friend who had early Bosely work, and he is now a high fashion model, and you cannot tell anything. No signs of plugginess. he simply had many singles hairs surrounding the thicker grafts. You may also want to consider electrolysis. It worked for me. Take a couple of times, it can thin out any plugginess. They can can make doubles, singles, triples, doubles, etc. So you can scuplt your hairline and make it look natural but sparser than it is. Good Luck DT
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From: Jim living in Dallas
Date: 2/7/01
Time: 9:49:50 AM
Remote Name: 12.72.157.15
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About three years ago I had 1200 grafts done by Bosely. I paid just over ten grand and I feel I have little to show for it. My hair looks sparse and slightly "grafty". At least it's not pluggy. Unfortunately their slick hype is much better than their actual results. I think they excell at marketing but not at hair transplants.
I guess that's what I get for letting an infomercial do my research for me.
Now I feel I need more work to just make it look natural. But after seeing the fixes on your site I know that much tougher cases than mine have been fixed.
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From: Jim living in Dallas
Date: 2/7/01
Time: 9:49:50 AM
Remote Name: 12.72.157.15
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About three years ago I had 1200 grafts done by Bosely. I paid just over ten grand and I feel I have little to show for it. My hair looks sparse and slightly "grafty". At least it's not pluggy. Unfortunately their slick hype is much better than their actual results. I think they excell at marketing but not at hair transplants.
I guess that's what I get for letting an infomercial do my research for me.
Now I feel I need more work to just make it look natural. But after seeing the fixes on your site I know that much tougher cases than mine have been fixed.
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From: George in Minneapolis
Date: 2/18/01
Time: 11:33:13 AM
Remote Name: 165.247.251.17
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Hi Pat!
I just finished another session with Dr. Ron Shapiro (Shapiro Medical Group) in their Minneapolis clinic. This last session was really elective to thicken up what is already an excellent, remarkably undetectable restoration. Please note that I was "shiny" bald on top with only a small wisp of hair (I called it my Bozo the Clown curl) in the very front.
I methodically researched surgeons for over 12 years before I made my choice. Dr. Shapiro is (unequivocally) the most aesthetically talented, reasonably priced AND humanly sympathetic to his patients of the 8 surgeons I interviewed.
Also, his assistant (Matt Zupan) has an encyclopedic knowledge of hair transplantation and is very warm in welcoming all questions pre and post surgery.
I couldn't recommend Shapiro Medical Group more. These people are there when you need them -before and after. That's why I have returned and have also referred several very satisfied friends.
Keep up the good work with your site Pat! You are doing a wonderful job providing a source that eliminates much of the anxiety in making this very personal decision.
George in Minneapolis
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From: George in Minneapolis
Date: 2/18/01
Time: 11:33:13 AM
Remote Name: 165.247.251.17
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Hi Pat!
I just finished another session with Dr. Ron Shapiro (Shapiro Medical Group) in their Minneapolis clinic. This last session was really elective to thicken up what is already an excellent, remarkably undetectable restoration. Please note that I was "shiny" bald on top with only a small wisp of hair (I called it my Bozo the Clown curl) in the very front.
I methodically researched surgeons for over 12 years before I made my choice. Dr. Shapiro is (unequivocally) the most aesthetically talented, reasonably priced AND humanly sympathetic to his patients of the 8 surgeons I interviewed.
Also, his assistant (Matt Zupan) has an encyclopedic knowledge of hair transplantation and is very warm in welcoming all questions pre and post surgery.
I couldn't recommend Shapiro Medical Group more. These people are there when you need them -before and after. That's why I have returned and have also referred several very satisfied friends.
Keep up the good work with your site Pat! You are doing a wonderful job providing a source that eliminates much of the anxiety in making this very personal decision.
George in Minneapolis
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From: Mike
Date: 2/4/01
Time: 6:14:36 PM
Remote Name: 12.72.156.24
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I had a great experience in Arizona with Dr. Keene. She was very genuine and took plenty of time with me. Very consciencious.
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From: Mike
Date: 2/4/01
Time: 6:14:36 PM
Remote Name: 12.72.156.24
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I had a great experience in Arizona with Dr. Keene. She was very genuine and took plenty of time with me. Very consciencious.
Hair designer and clients very happy with Hasson and Wong in Vancouver, Canada
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From: Rod Egby
Date: 2/11/01
Time: 7:45:58 PM
Remote Name: 24.113.30.56
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Hello, I'm a Hairdesigner living up in beautiful Vancouver BC, and I had four customers of mine who went through the transplant process by a doctor up here in Vancouver named Dr. Jerry Wong, and even with my trained eye, I was very impressed with the results. Two wanted a fuller result, and the other two, were satisfied with a little less. All four Men were so happy, I too went and had it done. I'm in the dormant stage of my transplant, but I cant wait till those seedlings start to sprout for the spring!! hehe..anyone needing any help or advice feel free to ask...Rod at Rippedgear@telus.net thanks