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I usually get a perm and have a fringe (which I did to cover up my hairline). But after my hair transplant it could also be a good strategy for me to cover up the recipient area while the transplanted hairs grow in anyway. How soon after the operation can I safely get a perm

I think more important in your case is to strengthen the temple points somewhat. These go so far in helping frame the face. Yours are ok, but a little weak. You'll have a great result with Dr. Freitas I am sure.

insane for 7 months, and not even done yet. yours looks better than a lot of people past 12 months already looking good bro edit: actually, im gonna take a pic of your hairline design from the immediate preop to keser for my own transplant

It's possible to not shave the back and sides with FUE? It is easier post op but does it present any additional complication for the surgeon, even if they may otherwise be inclined to tell you it makes no difference in the quality of the result? I see, so for such a case it is actually an advantage than a disadvantage (which is what one may assume at first) Thank you for the info, and this is exactly what goes through my head when surgeons tell me it makes no difference. Surely even the most talented ones, when doing a repetitive task for 4-5 hours, experience some degree of mental fatigue that may cause a hand to slip here and there? Natural and expected, but if the surgery time is reduced you reduce the chance of that happening Ok, so you are saying definitively it is indeed easier and less complex despite surgeons telling me it makes no difference quality wise?

Well, that's what I mean when I mean no-shave since donor area is always shaved in any case.

HLC offers the option of no-shave surgery (where recipient area is not shaved) for an additional cost and I am interested in doing this. They assured me it does not alter the quality of the outcome, and that it simply takes more time and care. But I am still worried that it might inevitably mean a loss in quality resulting from reduced visibility and/or fatique from longer sessions. Am I right to have any doubts and is it safer to go with full shave or would I be ok with noshave?

I am interested in having a HT with Dr. Keser in Ankara but after searching around his results, which seem almost universally positive, I come across one qualm: Despite Keser's renown for producing good hairlines, a couple of people on this forum have complained about doubles in their hairlines. This makes me wonder if it is connected to the fact he does not use microscopes. Are surgeons able to accurately sort grafts without a microscope? I would also appreciate any insights into temple work done by Keser and HLC.

I will look into him although a european surgeon would be ideaal since that is closer to me. Your results look incredible by the way!

Thanks What do you think accounts for bad results at hairmills? is it all because the techs are bad or is it just because they take a lot more patients so they will have more bad results

This is helpful to know. Are there any surgeons youve heard of that are especially good with the temples? My short list right now is Keser, HLC, and Bisanga but I will have to see how they do with temples.

I am curious to see some good rather than bad examples of this. If you had this done I would grateful if you shared or if you recall any examples on here. Regards

My impression comes from a lot of exploration of discussions regarding achieving square or NW0 hairlines on this website and similar ones. I don't have any sources of anyone saying verbatim that NW0 hairlines are "unnatural by default if you're over 30." With that, I meant that without knowing anything about the patient, their particular situation, or their facial structure, people may respond to those inquiring about NW0 transplants by saying "You will regret it as you get older" or some variation of that phrase without even necessarily citing concerns regarding exhausting donor supply. This leads me to think there is a sizable contingent that rules out outright NW0 transplants. The question of whether their facial structure would work well with a NW0 rarely arises. This kind of loss of specificity or talking past one another could well just be due to the nature of how ideas circulate on the Internet. In any case with this thread, I'm just trying to highlight the challenges of finding more specificity into this issue and raise some doubts on the grounds on which I have felt surgeons and patients alike have diminished NW0 transplants. And to be clear: I didn't mean to suggest that was what you were saying. The question you've quoted I don't think is easy to answer at all, but it does indeed get at the heart of the issue. It would certainly be difficult for us laymen to answer. Yes, it is easy for anyone to tell whether a NW0 transplant result looks unnatural, but it is not easy for us to determine, in the process of informal hair transplant consultation, whether based on a patient's facial structure, a NW0 hairline would work well on them. Answering that latter question would likely require a cosmetic surgeon or a hair transplant surgeon with an acute aesthetic sense. For them, my guess is that the process of determining whether a NW0 would be an appropriate approach would not take the form of a checklist but a holistic aesthetic assessment. But I do hold out hope there are perhaps ways for us to get an idea of it before visiting surgeons.

This is a fair point; certainly a NW0 would not work on everyone. My sense in how these discussions usually proceed however is that a NW0 is ruled out as a matter of principle since it is "unnatural" or rarely, even a prejudice against youthfulness, instead of taking a more holistic approach that contextualizes the hairline in the face overall. I can't say a NW0 is, by default, unnatural, since there are many cases to the contrary and in any case, I don't buy some of the previous posters' claims that Mother Nature always does the best job. If Mother Nature was beyond reproach I would still have breathing issues because of a deviated septum and we all would be dying of sepsis from a minor cut in our 30s. In my case, having a baseline since childhood NW2.5 all, I would worry more about the NW0 looking "unnatural" because it doesn't fit my facial structure, or because the surgeon does a poor job drawing or executing a NW0, more than it being "unnatural" because I never had it to begin with or because they supposedly become "unnatural" by default if you're over 30. The question coming out of your post seems to be: do you have the right face for a NW0 hairline. That is basically my question as well. Brad Pitt and the model pictured in the original post (Sean O'Pry), for example, have very different facial structures but a NW0 works very well on both. What aspects of facial structure need to be considered when deciding whether a NW0 is an appropriate choice, or just with drawing hairlines altogether? Do most hair transplant surgeons have the proper aesthetic eye for determining which face shapes can harmonize well with a NW0 hairline? I have some reservations answering affirmatively to the second question since almost all hairlines I see in before-afters are, more or less the same, so I am wondering the extent to which hair surgeons (and patients, probably) are ruling out NW0s as a matter of principle, instead of taking a more holistic approach to the face. If this is true, then perhaps to some degree they can't be blamed since that would be a question more for a cosmetic surgeon than a dedicated hair surgeon. But my hope is that my perception here is flawed and that there there are some surgeons who are more holistic about it than others. If a NW0 does indeed work on my face, I don't want to be pressured into a NW1-2 by surgeons and fellow patients. This is all assuming, of course, there are no other constraints--they have no MPB or long-stabilized MPB, they have plenty of donor supply, they are on finasteride, etc. It's really the cases in which those constraints, such as mine, are not present, that I am interested in. I am trying to isolate the constraint of face shape being convenable to a NW0.

I am 26 yo and I am wanting to turn my natural NW2.5ish hairline (that I have had since childhood--no balding) into a perfect NW0. I want one with no signs of recession whatsoever. NW0. Such as the attached photos, the model pictured in three of the photos is 32-33 years old and the hairline looks perfectly natural. My interest is motivated less in the desire tout court to have a perfect "youthful" hairline and more in that due to the especially rounded and feminine shape of my forehead, a square hairline would nicely counteract it and harmonize well with the other facial thirds. Is it possible to produce a natural hairline like this with a hair transplant? (by "natural," I mean the hairline is done very well and convincingly, not "unnatural" in the sense that it "looks unnatural as you age into your 30s"--this second definition of "unnatural" often propagated I am not interested in or convinced by) Has anyone here gotten a transplant, or know of any good cases, where you requested a hairline like this and it was successful? Are there any surgeons in particular you may recommend who have a track record of producing well such hairlines? Any insights beyond the usual platitudes circulated on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

I'm curious to see anyone who grew their hair out fairly long with a hair transplant Or permed it or did a curtains hair style Most cases I see are of short hair and usually the same hairstyle