rj11

On 12/27/2023 at 7:40 AM, xabi86 said:

Hi @rj11

I managed to get my prescription from Dr Knap. Been told it is with FP now to dispatch. I went for 0.01% Finasteride and no Dut.

I noticed you said you'll get blood tests done before starting on your Dut. Did you get the bloods done? 

I am also thinking of getting bloods done before starting the medication. 

So if you could give some advice please, which test did you have done and what is the normal range of DHT that one should see in their blood so not to have sides associated with Fin/Dut?

I checked on medichecks they have a DHT test. But I am not sure if DHT levels or Testosterone levels is what I should have checked?

Thanks

Regarding which tests to get, everyone will have slightly different opinions on what to test and what is necessary but here are a few videos regarding blood tests before starting 5ari. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFS1yEYlvC0 (what Derek recommends in the video https://ibb.co/5Wm85wm )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa24HrCDGhk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh1tepRuTKM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHastOn1NdU&t

All depends on your budget to be honest (possibly ask your GP if they are willing to do any of these tests) but I got the Comprehensive TRT Blood Test - Balance My Hormones + a DHT test. That one includes everything in this test (Body Transformation Blood Test from Ultimate Performance & Medichecks) + PSA and Progesterone  (the balancemyhormones and medichecks tests both go to the same Lab as far as I know - Eurofins County Pathology)  (the Ultimate Performance test is sometimes on offer for £149.99) 

You can also test Free DHT but I don't think it’s available in the UK (from my research) although it can be manually calculated supposedly. Can test Pregnenolone prior also.  Also just to note Derek (first video 3min 36sec) recommends LC/MS Total Testosterone, Free Testosterone (Equilibrium Dialysis) testing etc which are more accurate but balancemyhormones, medichecks (Eurofins County Pathology) only uses the standard testing methods. I’m not sure if LC/MS testing etc is available in the UK.

Regarding what is a normal DHT level in terms of side effects, this will probably depend on the individual. Checking DHT levels in the blood doesn't really tell you what is happening at the receptor level.

Maybe @Melvin- Admin can comment on this question.

On 12/21/2023 at 10:55 AM, xabi86 said:

Hi @rj11

Did you get a confirmation from Dr Knapp upon purchasing the prescription and paying the 58 Euros?

I just got a confirmation on the webpage when I paid but no email confirmation at all. Have not heard anything from them with regards to the prescription, its been two days but my worry is no confirmation in the form of an email or even a text. There are also no contact details for me to contact Dr Knapp's clinic.

Does Dr Knapp pass the prescription directly to Farmacia Parati?

Concerning that no confirmation is received once a person has paid for the prescription and my email address was also provided at the time of the order on curemyhairloss.com. Not good experience so far.

Thanks

Hi,

No I did not get a confirmation email (only on the website). This is his clinic email: info@albaph.dk

Yes Dr Knap sends the prescription directly to Farmacia Parati, the next contact will be from Farmacia Parati 

21 hours ago, xabi86 said:

Thank you. If only they’d respond to my emails. How do you compare FP with Agencia in terms of quality?

Also, did you get a 100g container with topical fin?

How long does that last for you and all in all what was the total cost of it for you including the prescription and the topical fin from FP?

Should reply in the next few days, if not try sending another email. I think maybe their response time is quicker when doctor has sent the prescription to them (that is what I kind of noticed it seems) but obviously you want to ask FP questions directly. I havent purchased from Agencia before so don't know about their quality (not sure which pharmacy they use). 

I have DUT not fin, and its 100ml. I think grams/ml mean the same thing but I am confirming this with FP. The expiry date on the containers are 06/24 

I ended up paying 58 euros to Dr Knap + 175 euros to FP for Lipo Dut 0.01%, 0.02% and Lipo Min 2.5% (all 100ml containers). Bit expensive and I'm not sure if repeat prescription is cheaper if I order again through Dr Knap but I will ask him

On 12/16/2023 at 2:27 AM, xabi86 said:

Thanks buddy. Do Farmacia Parati do spray or gel as you mention clicks?

I guess what I want to do is try 0.01% in a 2ml dose. 2ml so that it covers most of my scalp as well as I’m a diffuse thinner also. 
 

It would be good to get an idea of what FP provide (gels and sprays) but from what I’ve seen from their website, I can’t find anything on there for topical fin.

The one I have is a liposomal gel. They might do a spray solution also but best to confirm with them. They don't have anything on their website as far as I know, they only provide details through email. It says grams on Dr Knaps website but I think grams and ml may mean the same thing, confirming with Parati. Regarding the clicks, that is how the container works 

• Remove the lid of the cylindrical container. At the top of the container you will see a small hole a few mm in diameter.
• Screw clock-wise on the container at the bottom until the gel comes out at the top.
• If you turn the container 4 times (“4 clicks”), you’ll get an total amount equal to 1 g. 

3 hours ago, xabi86 said:

Hello buddy, 

unfortunately my gp won’t have already checked. Will contact Dr Knap but not sure which compound to get. I want to try possibly 0.01% or 0.025% to reduce sides. What do you think? Does the Dr decide what to prescribe i.e the strength?

Also have reached out to via email to Farmacia Parati (the same email address you gave) and no response from them for nearly two days

If your GP wont then you can order through Dr Knap (not sure if anyone else knows any other options). Seems like everyone responds differently when it comes to the strength but personally I've decided to just try a very low dose (0.01%) first and work my way up, will start with applying it once per week. Its 0.01% per 1g (4 clicks) and I need at least 2g (8 clicks) to cover my scalp since I'm a diffused thinner so will be applying 0.02% total initially. I also ordered 0.02% per 1g (4 clicks) (0.04% per 2g) and will try that if I'm ok with 0.02% per 2g (8 clicks). They do both 0.02% and 0.025%.

You can order whatever dose you want through him but he normally prescribes 0.05% per 1g first (or that is the most popular that gets ordered through him). Yeah it can take several days for Farmacia Parati to reply to questions but they do reply. I ordered through Dr Knap on 17 Nov, received an email from Farmacia Parati on 5 Dec saying my dut is ready/requesting payment and I received it on the 8 Dec via DHL. 

On 12/14/2023 at 9:51 AM, xabi86 said:

Thanks

I got my prescription through Dr Knap/curemyhairloss.com. I was then sent payment details from parati@lafarmacia.it to pay for the actual compounded dut/medication + shipping once it was ready to ship, took a few days to get here via DHL, no issues. You should be able to get prescription written from your GP though if you ask them. 

Received my Lipo Dut from Farmacia Parati. Starting with a low dose (2ml 0.02% total) and will increase if no side effects occur. Will also get blood work prior. Wouldn't be surprised if I don't notice anything at such a low dose. 

On 10/9/2023 at 11:29 AM, just_me said:

Not sure about the quality but Farmacia Parati support is one of the worst. You will wait 1-2 months before they send the product, no anwers to their email etc.

Yeah they do seem to take ages to reply back to emails, have you used them before?

9 hours ago, 12345 said:

i tried the tricho dut from anagenica. it gave me sexual sides from just one application. took around 6 weeks for the sides to reside. 

Was it 0.05% or 0.1% just to confirm again?

Does anyone know if there is a difference between Farmacia Parati liposomal dut and anagenica.com liposomal dut (LIPODUT), both do 0.05%, any preferences? I  see anagencia also contains Trichoxidil 2.5%

Also does anyone what pharmacy anagencia use?

On 9/25/2023 at 10:23 PM, Melvin- Moderator said:

I wouldn’t introduce anything until a month. By a month you’ll know if you get sides or not. 

I am considering to try Farmacia Parati liposomal Dutasteride. Supposedly they can compound any concentration 0.01%, 0.05%, 0.1%, 0.25%, 0.5% and 1%........ 

Was considering 0.01% concentration and increasing the dose if no side effects occur but I am wondering if this concentration is just too low to have any effect at all. I'm wondering if it's better to go for a lower dose and apply more frequently or a higher dose but apply less frequent. I know Xyon is 2%

Any opinions on this?

19 minutes ago, 4Godot said:

Thanks for the recommendation! Does Dr Knap ask for a prescription after checkout?

 

I tried xyon Dutasteride but had bad and lingering sides. I'm looking now for low does Fin gel as at least I know if sides occur they pass after a couple of weeks

How frequently were you taking the Xyon 2% Dutasteride?

He is the one who writes you the prescription (for a fee) and then you pay Farmacia Parati directly for the medication and postage as far as I understand. I've been emailing him directly through his clinic (email info@albaph.dk) as there doesn't seem to be any direct contact details on that website above. Will confirm this question with him also.

But also agree with what @12345said.....you don't really know what percentage of the active ingredient you are actually getting from these compounding pharmacies without testing.

2 hours ago, 4Godot said:

Was just curious how people got their prescription for topical fin from farmacia parati? Is there a Dr/clinic anything they are associated with? I'm in the US

 

Thanks

I'm considering to purchase it through Dr Knap (Dermatologist located in Denmark)- https://curemyhairloss.com/compounding-your-hair-loss-product/

Have you considered Xyon? 

2 hours ago, drew24 said:

Once a day

Have you considered using it less frequently?

6 hours ago, drew24 said:

I have been using xyon Dutastride for close to three month and you are absolutely correct. No sex drive what so ever

how frequently are you using it currently? 

30 minutes ago, 12345 said:

i ordered the trichodut 0.05% and trichoxidil 2.5%. They sent me the 1% in error but I did not notice it at the time and left the trichodixil from the order. I had sides after just one application. Pain in the glan penis. Painful ejaculation. Loss of erections. It took about 6 weeks for symptoms to resolve.

 

They eventually sent me the replacement trichodut 0.05% and trichoxidil 2.5%. I decided to just use the trichoxidil. I did 2 applications, and started the same sides from dutasteride. This makes me think that the solution is contaminated with dut, becayse trichoxidil is not anti-androgen. This leads me to believe you dont know what is actually in these bottles, and the percentage. unless you get them evaluated from a lab, you will never know. Is your dut 0.05% or or 0.7%? we just dont know. If they make a batch of 1% for an order, and your order is 0.05%, are they going to waste the 1% ? remember theres no refund and they know no one is doing actual analysis on this, so in my opinion, its all a gamble of what is in these bottles. yes, you will get dutasteride in there, but the real percentage who knows, plus the issue of contamination, and maybe the pharmacy recyling so as to not waste product

 

 

 

Do you know which pharmacy anagenica use? Agree without lab testing you don't know what's exactly in it. Are you using anything else currently? 

17 hours ago, arthurSam said:

Parati can make any concentration you want like 2% you only need the prescription

Thought so. What dose of liposomal Dutasteride did you try again? You're still using CosmeRNA?

15 minutes ago, 12345 said:

ive only used anagenica. 

 

Was it LIPODUT 0.05/0.1% you tried from anagenica? Any improvements or side effects? 

15 hours ago, 12345 said:

what I can tell you, is you never really know what actual percentage of the active ingredient you get from these pharmacies abroad. 

That was a concern of mine actually, they do 6 different concentrations 'supposedly',  0.01%, 0.05%, 0.1%, 0.25%, 0.5% and 1% per 1g (4 clicks). I'm a diffused thinner so not sure if 1g would be enough to cover the entire scalp either. Have you ever tried any of these compounding pharmacies?

Would like to try Xyon which I understand is 2% I think but it's not available in UK / EU yet. 

Was wondering who has tried Farmacia Parati (not Xyon) Topical liposomal Dutasteride or even Finasteride, at what dose and did you notice any improvements or/and side effects? Also how long did you wait to receive it?

On 8/28/2023 at 5:00 PM, just_me said:

No problems, but I needed to wait almost 2 months after I made the order to get contacted by pharmacy for the final delivery and payment.

do you know if its possible to message/contact Dr. Knap/ cant seem to find contact information on the website?

3 hours ago, just_me said:

It is too early to say, only 1,5 months and so far no changes. No noticable side effects, maybe just a little weaker boner but this could be from other reasons. I shaved my head so it is very easy to cover the entire scalp. I put into "ingredients" also adenosine, caffeine, melatonin, resveratrol, tretinoin, Growth Factor mimics. I will probably order dutmeso from anagenica for dutasteride and keep using liposomal fin 0.005%. My plan is to use dutmeso 0.05% once per week and liposomal fin 0.005% eod.

Did you have any problems ordering through Dr. Knap/curemyhairloss.com and how long did it take for you to receive the fin 0.005%? I was thinking of trying Farmacia Parati Dutasteride liposomal gel but wasn't sure who to go to get a prescription.

1 hour ago, just_me said:

Farmacia Parati prescription via curemyhairloss.com.

Have you noticed any changes or side effects from the liposomal fin 0.005%? Can you cover entire scalp with it (if diffused thinner)?   Have you considered using Farmacia Parati Dutasteride liposomal gel?

18 hours ago, arthurSam said:

I had written to them a few months ago and they had told me that they were trying to establish themselves in Europe. I hope this will happen soon!

I wonder if I can get it delivered to someone I know in US/Canada and then get them to post it to me. 

On 7/18/2023 at 12:31 PM, arthurSam said:

As xyon dosage is 2% imo you could try 2% or 1%. It works even at 1x/week application for some people so you could perhaps begin with it.

Just email them and they will explain how to do.

Yeah I emailed them and seems like parati pharmacia do Dutasteride in 0.1% and 0.5% also, so might just try 0.5% (0.1% probably to low) and see how I respond/work my way up. I'm a diffused thinner, main goal is just to to stabilise hair loss. 

Not sure when Xyon will be available in the UK