NegativeNorwood

I assume this amazing result was with Dr Sethi's flagship package, right?

What was Dr Sethi's involvement with this case? Did he perform everything himself (planning, design, incisions, extractions, implantation)? If there were techs involved, what did they do exactly for this case that Dr Sethi didn't?

8 hours ago, Turkhair said:

I thought you were talking about on HRN only. 

Neither Pekiner or Zarev have accounts here.

Either way, don't want to derail this thread more.

1 hour ago, Turkhair said:

 

But there are only 2 Zarev cases and both are patient posted selfies? 

 

 

 

Visit his website, it has lots of cases, all of them with hundreds of high resolution pictures.

This one alone has 218 pictures, all of them super high quality:

https://www.hairtransplantation.bg/index.php/en/results/event/results/11370Grafts

1 hour ago, Turkhair said:

You forgot Pekiner. Easily amongst the best of the best especially for hairlines. 

 

I don't agree. He doesn't have any high quality, standarized after pictures to judge his work properly, just low quality patient selfies. Once he uploads 20+ cases with detailed presentation like Munib Ahmad or Zarev, then we can talk.

I prefer Munib Ahmad's work. His pictures are of better quality and has plenty of videos combing the hair with close ups that show everything perfectly. I had Konior on my top 5 until I saw this combing video:

Looks somewhat pluggy to me compared to this:

IMO once you see the combing videos, Munib Ahmad is clearly better. The higher resolution pictures also help a lot. I don't think there's a better hair transplant surgeon than him tbh.

Great podcast. The screen sharing is amazing. Really like how meticulous he is, even his camera + microphone setup was of great quality.

Love the detailed, high resolution pictures from the same angles, this should be the standard for every surgeon. The high quality pictures, zoomed in while he explained where amazing and make a tremendous difference compared to just words.

The best hair transplant doctor, the pictures of his work speak by themselves.

Important update:

Do not consider a temple transplant before trying finasteride + minoxidil, specially if you are low norwood.

This is my before and after, 2 and a half months using 1mg oral  finasteride+5mg oral minoxidil daily. I don't remember having temples this big before, and hairline corners are also filling in nicely.

Before

After:

Looking at my pics when I was younger, I wanted a temple transplant. Now, after seeing my new temples, I'm very happy and don't want one. If the corners continue to fill at this pace, I should have a hairline like Tom Cruise's in a few months 0_0

Keep in mind that most temple transplants are very evident, because the hairs implanted are usually thicker than the native ones and look off unless hair is longer than 1cm, so this is a huge achievement.

Try taking fin + minox for a year before considering a transplant, you might be surprised with the outcome. I couldn't be happier with my progress.

Favorite Five HT Doctors*

1) Munib Ahmad (Fuegenix): has the best results I've ever seen, extremely detailed and honest presentation of his cases, is not afraid but proud about showing very high resolution pictures of his work and is active on the forum. For me, he is the best hair transplant surgeon in the world and definitely my choice for my future hair transplant.

2) Zarev: best option for high norwood patients, with extremely detailed and honest presentation of his cases, featuring plenty of high resolution pictures. 

3) Couto: natural results, great hairline designs, good presentation of his work (not perfect like Munib Ahmad or Zarev but good). Love his emphasis on temples and his sense for aesthetics while providing natural looking results.

4) Feriduni: great, natural results with good and honest presentation of his cases, albeit pictures in lesser quanitity and not as high resolution (but still good) as Munib Ahmad or Zarev's. Skilled with temple work too. 

5) Konior: I think his results are as good as Feriduni's, same with the presentation of his cases. I'm putting him 5th because he reportedly is more expensive than Feriduni and Couto while providing similar quality work (to my eyes).

Worst

1) Any hairmill, but Chris Don Mctyre is a scumbag of the highest order. Proves that you don't need to go to Turkey to find a hairmill. Search for "ReGrow Hair" and "Chris Mctyre" here and prepare to be horrified. Also related to him were  "James Boland" and "Colorado Surgical Center". Dude is not even a hair transplant doctor, yet says he is one (just for starters).

Most Overrated

1) Pekiner: I don't understand how people say he is one of the best without having honest, high resolution pictures taken with a camera (not a smartphone) of his work to judge properly. I don't say he is bad, just that the many pictures available are not good enough to say him (or anyone presenting pictures of such quality) is good or bad. He is recommended here a lot, that's why I think he is overrated (will change my opinion, or not, after seeing high quality pictures constantly, like the ones the doctors in my top 5 provide for every one of their cases).

Most Underrated

1) Munib Ahmad (Fuegenix): he is providing the best results with the highest quality pictures constantly and people think he is a future promise or something like that...he is the present, you don't need to wait 30 years to know it, just a pair of eyes.

Best Value

1) Mwamba: natural results, good presentation of his work (not perfect like Munib Ahmad or Zarev but good). Has the best beard to beard transplant results I've seen too, I think he is a very complete and safe option, and IIRC costs 3€ per graft + VAT. Not cheap but cheaper than the other surgeons I've mentioned while still providing very high quality, natural results.

Of course, this is just my opinion, don't take it as gospel. I have no intention to offend anyone, sorry if I did.

6 hours ago, ScottishGuy21 said:

Zarev presents his work like every surgeon worth their salt should. There is no dull lighting or shady use of fibres or photoshop. It’s clear as can be with close ups in harsh lighting. I’m sick to death of seeing clinics posting fake results and enticing unsuspecting patients in. 

His cases for NW7 are incredible. Yes of course there has to be a strong donor but he can only work with the hairs available.  I don’t buy that he is selective, he’s just being honest and ethical. If your donor supply isn’t adequate there’s not much even a wizard like Zarev can do.

We’ll have to wait a few years to see if his work holds up over time but given how selective he is of grafts I’d be pretty confident it will

Exactly.

He provides some of the most detailed, consistent, high resolution pictures out there, yet some people doubt his results, but believe other surgeons' with low resolution, phone pictures 😅

He is truly a top tier surgeon, no need to see more results to know that. If anything, most surgeons should publish 20-30 Norwood 7 cases like him (with the same picture quality) to be able to compare fairly.

I don't think there's a better choice out there than him for high Norwood people. 

58 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Check out @Grant Giller results on YouTube, pretty HD.

It's a phone quality video posted by a patient, light in the 12 months result is a bit low and can't see much. The clinic has to post standarized, before and after pictures by itself, so anyone can judge the results consistently and accurately. I wouldn't go to any place that doesn't have before and afters taken with a proper camera, same lighting, angles, hair dry, wet and slicked back, regardless of reputation, price or endorsement.

I would like to see higher resolution pictures of the results before giving my opinion. Can't recommend anyone without seeing HD close ups, with the hair wet and dry and slicked back, all taken from the same angles with the same lighting as the befores with a  proper camera (which is not expensive, 500€ buy a pretty good one) and not a phone.

4 minutes ago, GoliGoliGoli said:

No really, I thought that when you got a HT the Dr would cast a spell that prevented any further baldness. Please, tell me more about the nature of androgenic alopecia. 

You aren't closer to NW2, you ARE NW2. And as your signature so aptly says, "mature hairline is a euphemism for balding". Better get on Dutasteride and really nuke your DHT. 

Oh I see, do they cast the spell like this:

"don't take finasteride, everything is fine, 3€ per graft"

While dancing, reciting some turkish poem and throwing salt to a picture of a MtF transgender?

2 minutes ago, GoliGoliGoli said:

 

Balding continues after a hair transplant? I'm hearing this for the very first time... 

I hope you are being sarcastic, albeit with your finasteride comments I highly doubt you have such a mental capacity. Will give you the benefit of the doubt either way and assume it is sarcasm.

2 minutes ago, GoliGoliGoli said:

I mean, it's a fact that MtF's use fin for it's feminizing effect. Again, you can do with that information what you may, but that is a fact not a personal attack and I'm not sure how it makes me "obsessed with trannies" as you say. 

For the record, you're solidly a NW2. In fact your probably closer to NW3 than to NW1. Our hairlines aren't much different, and if mine goes back further I'll simply get another HT lol

Laughed hard at norwood 3 ngl

I do agree that I'm closer to Norwood 2 tho, that's why finasteride is so important.

It's very likely you'll continue to bald after the transplant without taking fin, and that looks much worse than being bald, just saying. 

1 minute ago, RTC said:

You're the one posting photos of your hairline to prove how 'masculine' you are. We both know you're a bottom 

No no, I'm heterosexual. You OTOH were a bottom for Asli Tarcan 👍

53 minutes ago, GoliGoliGoli said:

What a weird thing to say. Why are you so concerned with other people's decisions on what to do with their endocrine systems? You seem bitter about something and I don't think the root of the bitterness is someone's decision whether or not to take fin. Best of luck out there. 

Says the dude that bringed up Mtf transgenders many times into a normal, hair oriented finasteride conversation. 

You seem obsessed with trans and envious of Norwood 1 people that preserve their hair with medications, like any sane person would do. Best luck out there for you too.

5 minutes ago, GoliGoliGoli said:

@NegativeNorwood your whole attitude seems hostile and bitter (Attacking people who don't or can't use fin for no reason in your original post). Taking fin or not taking fin is a personal decision, you don't need to go around calling people who don't or cant take it "bottom of the barrel IQ"

 

Maybe your estrogen is high? You seem "hormonal" 

3 minutes ago, RTC said:

Emotional instability is characteristic of cucks lmao.

I'm laughing while typing. A very stable behaviour. Can hear you both crying from here tho.

Enjoy the balding, just stop losing time and delete the accounts here. Be more "masculine" without hair. Women love men with hair the most, so ironically homosexuality is much nearer from you than me. 

Surgeons recommended here probably spend more on publicity to advertise their work on HRN.

Those hairmills just buy followers and pay IG to advertise, it is actually quite cheap. Is just a facade of success to lure you into going there because "everyone goes". A celebrity will just see the number of followers and go there, fame does not correlate with resourcefulness or research.

1 hour ago, GoliGoliGoli said:

Every reply of yours with additional strawman arguments makes it all the more laughable that you were the one to accuse me of using strawman arguments... 

Stick to the issues and the actual points being made.  Lowering DHT and raising estrogen has a feminizing effect, which is one of the reasons MtF's use it (But not the only reason). This is my point. That's it. It's not complicated. We can argue about how significant the "feminizing effect is", but I don't think it's really debateable that is does have a feminzing effect when you simply observe its mechanism of action. 

Like talking to a wall, you hyperfocus on the sentence and can't see the context.

As I said before, the conversation ends now. You already made up your mind and clearly are unable to understand the most basic contexts of a conversation, so it is a waste of time to argue with you.

8 minutes ago, GoliGoliGoli said:

Tell me, what is inaccurate about saying "Finasteride is commonly used by MtF transgender's"?

Please, point out the inaccuracy. What in that sentence specifically is inaccurate? 

Let me put it this way for you.

Imagine a man going to a hardware store, where you are an employee.

The man tries to buy an screwdriver, and you say to him:

So you are a NASA engineer, they use that tool a lot.

He responds: No, is just to fix the kitchen's sink.

And you say: yeah but for the NASA, they use it a lot.

That would be pretty similar to our conversation with regards to finasteride and transgenders, just complete nonsense without context coming from you.

7 minutes ago, GoliGoliGoli said:

It's actually you making the straw man argument... But I don't think you even know what that term really means. Let me help you by explaining: 

I never said 1mg of Fin per day is going to turn anyone into a woman. What I said is that fin is commonly used in MtF transgenders which is a verifiable fact. You then try to build a strawman to knock down by claiming I said something completely separate from what was actually said. 

I'll repeat it for you, let me know if you disagree with this sentence specifically: Finasteride is commonly used by MtF transgender's. 

 

You are just given an inch and taking a mile, using extreme examples out of context to justify you not taking finasteride.

Repeat with me, son: 1mg of finasteride per day won't turn you into a MtF transgender (they take 5+mg per day in addition of more potent hormones, like estradiol, in addition of undergoing feminization surgeries).

Here's one MtF transitioner saying you are not going to feminize without taking estradiol, regardless of how much fin you take:

TL;DR: get on fin, you are already feminine if you notice "feminization" and just blame it on fin instead of yourself (nothing wrong with being feminine, just don't blame fin).

2 minutes ago, GoliGoliGoli said:

Who are you trying to convince here, me or yourself? I agree that a lot of people tolerate Fin just fine, but the number is not 99%. 

Any medication comes with risks. A medication that lowers a key androgen is going to come with a certain suite of risks (Even if you don't present with the usual side effects such as brain fog or ED). I'll remind you that Finasteride is commonly used by MtF transgender's, and not for no reason. DHT is a key male hormone.  

LMAO if you think 1mg of finasteride per day is going to turn anyone into a woman. Peak strawman argument.

Stop embarassing yourself, I'll do you a favour and end this conversation now. 

39 minutes ago, GoliGoliGoli said:

Not true. If you have a good donor, good money, and have not super aggressive balding for your age then you don't really need to take finasteride. Sure it's always better to take Fin from the perspective of keeping your hair, but some of us prioritize our hormonal health over our hair. 

If you have a poor donor, poor money (Or simply insist on going to a very expensive Dr), and have aggressive balding then you're right, a HT probably isn't for you. 

You see this all the time of this forum: One size fits all prescriptions for everyone. Everyone's balding situation is different and needs to be approached uniquely. The only people with bottom of the barrel IQ's are those who think everyones approach needs to be the same. 

Muh hormonal health, side effects are non existent in 99% of people, and if they happen, they stop after 2 months of continued use. If you take the meds at night, the effects are most potent while sleeping and barely noticeable in the day.

Being worried about hair loss and not taking meds is stupid, no matter how you want to put it.

This forum always speaks of being conservative with hair, but many members reject the most conservative option: taking hair meds while having minimal if any hairloss. Instead, most wait to reach Norwood 4-5 to take meds and pay one or two transplants to be Norwood 2-3 (in a best case scenario where they aren't botched).

Btw it's not about going to the most expensive doctors (there are bad and expensive ones), is about going to the best doctors, and those are always expensive. The less hair you need (thanks to meds), the less you have to pay. There's no such a thing as a "good enough doctor" btw, those are just mediocre with low resolution pictures so you can't tell how bad the work actually is.

Everyone's balding is different, and they have to take meds to stop it. If not, shaving the head or buying hair system are an amazing option and much more fitting than a transplant. It is what it is.

36 minutes ago, Coldblade7 said:

Is minoxidil necessary? For a norwood 1.5 or 2. Would you recommend taking minoxidil or just finasteride is enough? I'm currently on around 2mg finasteride per week

Definitely, it is what gives the highest chances of regrowth. I'm Norwood 1.5 and take 1mg oral finasteride + 5mg oral minoxidil per day before going to sleep. 

I'm 9 weeks into that regime and experience 0 side effects, beard is much stronger, eyebrows look fuller already (very welcoming effect for me). Hairline still is too early to judge. Can't wait for a year to pass and see the definitive results.