anotherbaldguy

Its interesting that you are willing to reveal private information about multiple forum members on a public thread. Any chance you could tell us @George ClooneyIP as well? Guess you never heard of a VPN

Then you should have edited George Clooneys post on the thread to reflect this. And im still waiting for my results - ill post them if and when i feel comfortable for the public to assess them. It is incredibly strange that are you still trying and make this about me however It seems that between @George Clooney @qui bono and myself you have a history of this sort of thing. I empathise with George's last post;

I took 4 patient results posted on this site from each clinic and showed how each surgeon approached the cases differently. @George Clooney had done the same thing months earlier which Melvin took no issue with and (similar to my posts) thanked him for it. I then used the results to show the differences between the clinics; as Konior does all the work himself this limits the amount of grafts he can do in a single session and results in vastly different surgical plan from that of Hasson who is part of a larger clinic (with more tech involvement) who is able to achieve more in a single session. The irony of this all is i argued continually that these two clinics shouldn't be compared as they were better suited to different things; H&W were better at higher nw cases whereas Konior was ideal at smaller surgeries. Not sure how that is "pitting" surgeons against each other, but i cant make sense of anything Melvin says generally It's highly unlikely that the thread is well and truly deleted - forums such as these have to keep a record in case of legal action 👍

who can keep up with your arguments anymore melvin. And I thought you already made your last reply on the subject. you could easily restore the thread without the photos. But as to why you haven't done so yet i have no idea why. this shouldnt have been a big deal the fact that you appreciated my analysis only reveals you are confused about it yourself

Im still waiting for my results to come in from one of the clinics, and after 4 surgeries have found paying too much attention only builds expectations and makes the process worse. The thread that was deleted was a meta-analysis and breakdown of surgical approaches of each clinic generally, with particular attention to each surgeon's strengths (not just between Konior and H&W but between H&W themselves). No single patient thread would ever capture that, and given the feedback and support i got publicly and privately, you have done a disservice by removing it.

If you had argued that from the start i would have respected you. But that is not what happened. As you saw in the thread that you deleted I took into these things into account and showed how both clinics approached a patient with fine hair completely differently. This was the post that you liked and thanked me publicly for writing. I do have copies of what i wrote so if anyone would like me to start the thread again perhaps Melvin will let me. I have no idea how these things work anymore. Otherwise apparently it's ok to message me privately. Im happy to help anyone that is interested

I NEVER said I was mad at people that didnt want to use their images. What are you talking about? That's their absolute right. Im annoyed and upset at YOUR failures as a moderator in how you have handled this. Your behaviour has been entirely arbitrary, inconsistent and makes no sense whatsoever. @RecessionProof had no issue with me using his photos, so why not restore the thread and simply remove the photos of those who do not wish to participate? Simple. You admitted it was rash decision to delete it, so why not restore it?

then you should have simply deleted the photos and left the thread intact talking about anonymous posters motives, suggesting that dissecting surgeon reviews is not necessary, that people draw different conclusions from photos (when that is the ONLY way of judging the work here), and then suggesting I needed to make a thread here myself is nonsense. if it's possible you should simply restore the thread without the photos so that others might make up their own minds. But it is mind boggling trying to understand how something simple has now evolved And if you restored the thread you will see that that is exactly what i argued This is highly insulting, and downright bizarre given you agreed with my posts and thanked me for it

1. i was thinking about making a thread and am still considering doing so because others might learn from my journey. 2. i used multiple examples of public photos to discuss the general surgical approaches of each clinic. Just using one example (my own) would not make any sense because a) it doesnt reveal an overall pattern, and b) I have undergone multiple surgeries and my case is unique. 3. Why is this now focused on me deciding whether or not to share my own photos publicly - is this not my identity and my choice? I have shared them privately with you already. I think you are trying to distract from the inconsistent rules presented on the forum and your bad handling of this.

You never once made it clear that taking pictures of other patients and comparing them is not allowed; another poster did it months earlier and you allowed the thread to continue. And when I did it you initially saw no issue with it and even thanked for me contributing ... only to suddenly delete the thread and have your entire position change. Why? So what exactly is this issue? Is comparing photos not allowed? Are the motives and identities of members who want to contribute positively to the forum now an issue? How else are we to assess the work of clinics if not by comparing photos? And is the new standard now that every forum member that posts an opinion now needs to create a public thread first? Are you serious???? I just sent you my clinic photos privately to prove who I am, but I dont like the idea of being forced to do anything publicly. Admittedly I was actually thinking about making a thread and even mentioned it here, but genuinely i dont respect how any of this has been handled.

I've had surgery with both H&W and Konior which is why I know exactly how each clinic is run and understand what each surgeon excels at - so I believe this also makes me uniquely qualified to comment on such a thread comparing the two clinics. You initially liked my post and thanked me for it so it makes absolutely no sense to turn around and question the motives of 'anonymous posters posting online' when literally everyone that participates on this forum is an anonymous poster sharing their opinion (and at least mine are based on personal experience). Hasson & Wong and Konior are considered some of the best surgeons in the world, so does this mean forum members can no longer discuss their work publicly or ask which is best suited to their needs?

So as I understand it the main reason the thread was taken down was because I took random samples of patients from what are commonly regarded as the "two best clinics in the world" and used them to discuss the different surgical approaches taken in each case? I would argue it would have been better to simply remove the photos in question and leave the content untouched given many forum members were openly thankful for my contribution. First of all it is common practice for prospective patients to be left stuck choosing between two or more clinics and request help to discover which clinic is better suited to their needs. Head to heads are a necessary part of the research phase, and after many years of lurking on various forums I have never seen one taken down before, and as far as I can tell no other such threads have been removed. Second of all I was in fact following in the footsteps of what a previous poster @George Clooneyhad done months earlier when they (as a computer programmer) analysed the work of each clinic and broke down their results, further adding photos to their analysis. This did not cause the thread to be taken down and the moderator of the forum commended him for it. Third of all I purposefully did not tag any of the patients involved in case any feelings were hurt; I understand how vulnerable it is to put yourself out in public, so I truly apologise if i did in fact cause any offense. But on the other hand these are results from one of the best surgeons in the world, and such patients made a conscious decision to submit their results publicly and left them up for review. Indeed one of the patients @RecessionProofhappened to recognise himself, came online, even agreed with my initial analysis, and openly welcomed further discussion of his results both publicly and privately. He should be commended for his behaviour because this is how a community that supports one another behaves, otherwise it's a community that doesn't value transparency and doesn't care if their fellow patients make an informed decision about their bodies or not. I guess i am left disappointed and confused, especially considering the forum moderator initially here liked my contribution and thanked me for it. If there really was an issue i would still argue it is better for the community at large to simply remove the photos and leave the content up. I would have hoped for better.

I experienced something very similar. A previous surgeon placed my hairline far too low (6cm from the glabella even though I'm a NW5) and my temple points were completely receded, so not matter what i did my hairline always looked fake. I believe temple point restoration is transplanted around 25 FU/cm - so effectively half the density of the hairline. That's why they usually require less grafts despite the area size. Admittedly im really impressed at your results already even though you're only at 4.5 months post op - it's completely changed the proportions of your face. My understanding is that with temple points it is preferable to have some length in order to blend with the areas behind it, but if you like keeping your sides short i'd probably consider trying a touch of hair dye in the future to make the area behind darker. Although it's far too early to do anything yet though. Hope you're enjoying the ride.

My surgeon fully constructed my temple points and that has managed to offset all the issues with the low placement/angulation of my hairline, so yes i think it would help. Your temple points look to be fully receded like mine were (one side more than the other which again is the norm) so it's probably going to take around 800 grafts. There are only a handful of surgeon's able to fully reconstruct temple points (the angulation, design and hair selection all need to be accurate) so again you should only be looking at elite clinics to handle it. Lol you make me feel like i should have posted a review of my surgery so i wouldn't have to write this all out.