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Is it ever common to hear different answers on things like donor density and what not between doctors? I want to preface this by saying I don’t want to just keep consulting until I get the answer I want to hear, I’m just curious if the assessment or methodology can vary between surgeons? 
 

i had a consultation recently and was told I have below average donor density. so they want me to wait a year to ensure my hair loss as stabilized before continuing(which I’m fine with waiting  but is also extremely disheartening and if I ever needed additional procedures in the future.)

only thing I really have going for me I have medium thickness hair and it’s wavy. 

How long did it take you to hear back from dr.Nader when you first submitted your request?

On 6/26/2022 at 12:42 PM, Savemyhairline said:

Thank you, though I believe currently I am more in the NW3-3.5 range when you factor in the thinning. My hair is clean in these photos, when it is oily/sweaty you can see even more thinning in the frontal third. I do have fine hair so sometimes it is hard to tell what is diffuse thinning and what is just the result of my fine hair. For example Tom Hardy is supposedly not balding, yet sometimes I see his scalp and think it looks thinner than mine. His hairline is way lower though. I’ve been on fin for a little over a year with no sides so I will continue.

Everyone’s hair looks thinner and worse when it’s oily imo. Because the hair will clump together 

42 minutes ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Here’s a prime example:

 

I literally posted this to get questions that they would want answered, or to see if anyone wanted a live consultation. High-grade educational content. They removed it. I know some of their mods visit this forum, so they enjoy our free content, but don’t allow it to be shared on there 🤷🏻‍♂️ 

Just comes off like the mods there do not care about the well being of the people who post there. I mean on some level I get it, we're all strangers to a degree. But they must know that people going to hairmills is rampant(especially among people who post there), poor framed questions, really awful, discouraging answers... etc

That is a stunning result so far. I know that’s not what you’re asking and I’m not qualified to answer but wow 

5 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

I believe one of their forum moderators frequents this forum. He often references our threads. I think his name is wallaby. You should message him on Reddit. 

I will try and find him there!

I’ve been on that subreddit for awhile and I feel pretty strongly we should try to steer people to this forum instead. It’s interesting just to browse, I’ve never went there for any other reason though. 

it’s rampant with bad advice, mentally harmful feedback, and people going to hairmills. 
 

Has this forum and it’s members ever attempted to organize and get people here instead? Many of those well meaning people could really benefit from knowing about this forums existence. 

@HairTransplantNovice

 Did you travel from outside Turkey to go to Dr.Bicer's clinic? If so I had a couple of questions

1.  Was any language barrier an issue? Not just with Dr.Bicer, but also arrival at the airport, getting to your hotel? etc
2. How receptive was she to what you were asking for? Obviously she wants to design the hairline that will give a good result but how much consideration was given to the shape of your forehead and your pre-recession hairline?

That hairline is insanely natural looking. normally after staring at so many hair transplants on this forum you start to be able to recognize certain things even on amazing ones. But this is one of those examples that had you not told me it was a transplant I wouldn’t know 

4 minutes ago, LaserCaps said:

Let me throw in my 5 cents. 

Have you noticed, most patients, after one procedure they tend to complain because of how thin it looks? So typically, multiple procedures are required to achieve density. Do you know why this happens? Most doctors are under the impression grafts compete for blood supply. They will explain they will be placing a foundation from which they can add grafts in future.  You return 12 months later, and you do it again.  Third procedure and you may have achieved fullness.  A few doctors, given technique, knowledge, experience and background, can achieve density in a single procedure.  Search for a Fellowship trained doctor and look at photos of results, particularly those similar to you. And, of course, in one visit. Why go into this way?

When you consider cost, consider how many times will you need to do this to accomplish what you set out to do.  If it's 3 procedures, $6X 3 = $18! What if you can accomplish the same in a single visit?! Cost can vary from clinic to clinic and from technique to technique. FUT seems to be in the $4.50 to $5 range while FUE in $6-$10 depending on a few variables.  My suggestion, once you've found the right clinic/doctor, is to make yourself available to the clinic.  They may work with you if a sooner slot becomes available.  

Thank you, this is definitely important to consider.

On 6/21/2022 at 6:49 AM, Eugenix Hair Sciences said:

Patients travel from all over the globe for their hair transplant procedures. They even travel immediately after their procedures. It is safe.

Thank you for the reply I appreciate it!

You might want to hold off. The good places in Turkey are likely going to be above 4000 euros depending on how many grafts you need.

Alternatively you could look into a 0 interest loan if paid off 6-12 months. But don't do this unless its affordable for you

8 hours ago, Eugenix Hair Sciences said:

If you are willing to travel then you could get doctors across the globe at a comparatively lower price.

I am, I was just trying to see if there was a way I could avoid a long plane trip. But that likely isn’t possible for me! 

8 hours ago, pkipling said:

I do think it's going to be hard to find prices as low in the US and Canada as they are in other countries, and I believe the average price per graft in the US/Can is around $8/graft. There are more regulations, fees, etc. here that factor into this, not to mention the cost of living simply being more here - especially in bigger metropolitan areas. I'm sure you could find some clinics that offer promotions and deals, but I'd be a bit wary of those places tbh. (I'm specifically referring to the types of clinics that offer an extensive "menu", of sorts, of all kinds of plastic surgery procedures, with hair transplants just being one of them.) As a general rule, if $8/graft is out of your price range - which would be understandable - I would suggest saving a bit more money to budget for it or consider some low-interest financing... Otherwise, looking at top surgeons in other countries might be your best bet.

And all of that to say, don't let "price" be such an important determining factor that you let that dictate choosing a less than ideal surgeon. I don't think that's what you're doing, but just offering a general piece of advice that bargain shopping in the extreme when it comes to hair transplants can often lead to more money being spent on repairs down the road. 

That’s all very useful information thank you! 
 

And yeah, I won’t pick a bad/mediocre surgeon just because they’re affordable.  I’ve been researching using this form as my primary source for a couple of years now, and I think I have a pretty good idea what to avoid. 
 

im trying to find the balance between cost and quality. Which might just mean I have to travel outside of the US. 

10 hours ago, Cantstandya said:

Look into Dr. Vladimir Panine in Chicago. His prices are a steal for someone of his caliber in the US. Dr. Gabel, Dr. Charles, and Dr. Mohebi are great too. I don't know their prices though. 

Are you looking at FUE or both FUT and FUE? FUT tends to be more cheap. I wouldn't go to Dr. Bloxham for FUE. The vast majority of his work is FUT. 

thank you! I’ll check him out. I’m thinking of going the FUE route purely because if I decide to not have further procedures down the line as my hair loss progresses I won’t be left with the linear scar. But I’m not opposed to FUT. Bloxham though great is definitely outside of my price range. I can’t imagine I need less than 2000 grafts. 
 

once I do my consultations I will be making a thread to document the journey. This forum has been very inspiring. The cost of the procedure is really the only thing causing me distress lol. 

8 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Cost varies from person to person. Depending on how many grafts you need. Have you sent any consultations?

Feel free to send some below. 
https://hairtransplantnetwork.com/best-hair-transplant-surgeons

I haven’t sent any yet, I’m still putting together my list of consultations. But I plan to start setting them up this coming week.  Most of which is composed of the top recommendations from this forum! 

also, thank you to everyone else who replied! I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing anything before I started planning to travel out of the US for the procedure. 

When you look through hair transplant pricing, the US seems to be much more expensive than Europe.  Are there any respected surgeons in the US who might have comparable pricing to those in other parts of the world?

I understand the word 'affordable' is relative. But when you look at  someone like Dr. Christian Bisanga charging 4.50 euro per graft and compare that to Dr.Bloxham who charges 10 dollars per graft(about 9.53 euro) you start to see what I mean. Dr Chistian Bisanga is still cheaper even factoring the VAT tax. They are both great hair transplant surgeons and this is not a dig at anybody. I'm just curious if something comparable is possible at all in the United States.

I've started forming my consultation list but many are out of my immediate price range.

2 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

He’s had two surgeries in the same area, one was an FUE with less density, but still he had some growth. 

Thank you. I guess that’s why I should read more carefully lol 

@Melvin- Moderator this might be the wrong thread to ask but given the comparison I want to make I figured it might be ok. 
 

So this guy has an excellent result, he got, what looks like to me at least his entire frontal third covered with less than 2000 grafts. 

how is he able to get such good density while I’ve seen people get 2500+ in just the temples and hairline and have it more or less look like this? They use far more grafts on less area and get the same looking result. 
 

is it just down to the density of the donor area? Strategic use of grafts? Something else? 

Bicer is the person I’m looking at to do my eventual transplant. Really wish we could get an update!

On 7/29/2021 at 6:19 PM, makehairgreatagain said:

Why not look here in the US? There's plenty of great options here.

Because it's a lot more expensive here for comparably similar results. He's likely looking elsewhere for budgetary reasons.

55 minutes ago, Mycroft said:

I believe it was Dr. Vories who at one point made a comment about how his level of involvement reduces overall overhead for the clinic and allows him to charge patients less than some of his contemporaries. I've noticed that a lot of Latin American clinics with high doctor involvement charge lower rates relative to the U.S. while also keeping the number of patients per day very low. You bring in less money overall, but you also don't need a very large staff to support you.

The points being made about U.S. Healthcare and medical procedures are all very accurate. We are not exactly a shining example of affordable medicine in general, and cosmetic surgery is considered an extra luxury above and beyond here, so the costs of simply being a surgeon and staying viable tend to be higher (equipment, leasing space, paying techs).

There's also the fact that the surgery in general is just a huge pain, especially FUE. It's a very long and laborious process compared to other forms of cosmetic surgery, and it requires more artistry to boot.

Makes a ton of sense! thank you for the reply!

2 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

I wrote an article on this subject yesterday, I'll post an excerpt of why the cost in the US, Europe is higher than Latin America, Turkey, India, etc. 

 

Yeah I figured once you get to some of the overseas clinics it can start getting sketchy. Once it starts getting too cheap you have to raise an eyebrow really.
 

however while not cheap the FUE procedures in the UK, specifically for this sites recommended clinics are cheaper once you do the currency conversion to US dollar. 
 

that being said there’s probably other things to factor into the cost like travel, hotel stay, food etc. 

Hi! 
 

im someone who’s looking into a procedure within the next couple of years and would like to know what’s going on? 
 

FUE procedures(from what I can tell) can range from 2x-3x more expensive in the United States than they do in other countries. You can see this even in this sites recommended clinics. 
 

Does the US have a higher caliber of surgeon? Or is it related to demand or just the culture of hair transplantation in the US? Convenience? 
 

Going to the UK seems to be the most affordable option that I’m comfortable with...  but I also do not want to make the wrong choice. 

So your result is excellent! 
 

my question is as someone in the US, is there a reason I wouldn’t fly to Instanbul to this clinic as opposed to a top rated US clinic? it’s double the price for more or less the same results from what I can tell