dredd77

1 hour ago, Portugal25 said:

@baldblonde if you are confused because you agree with @Melvin-Moderator that a Doctor that gives discounts to use your blurred pictures and insisted with HRN to delete @dredd77 thread with a subpar result (even though he offered that patient a free repair HT and wanted to pay for a dermatology consultation that the patient refused) is unethical then ofcourse you should go another Doctor.

 

He did not want to pay for a dermatology consultation for me, why are you telling this? And who told you so?

Exact words were "Perhaps you should come to Turkey to visit dermatologist". And after that were many words about "Russian ungrateful mentality", what a bad person I am publishing report and so on. I did not want to continue after her mentioning the nationality.

If it is a desire to pay for my visit to a dermatologist - ok

11 hours ago, Egy said:

It's true, for me too you should recommend Doctor Pekiner on this community, I don't know him personally, but I have seen many of his interventions on other forums and I have not seen a poor one, it works a lot on Italian patients and it is a benefit that we have done  you also know in other places because in my opinion he is one of the best surgeons in the world.

I had 2 hair transplants done by Pekiner, and my result is bad. Do you really think he is the best?))

As expected, no answers to the questions or any proofs.

By the way does this man really works for the clinic? I never seen him even during my second operation, which was a year ago. And how he can say anything about me if he has never seen me and

On 12/17/2019 at 2:04 AM, Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic said:

Dr. Pekiner didn't provide me with a recording of the conversation between the patient and him.

On 12/17/2019 at 2:14 AM, Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic said:

In addition his backup against the clinic is a member with only 2 messages written in this forum, all against the clinic. How strange.

If you are speaking about Mustang, this man was registered in 2014. Do not be silly.

I still do not understand these points.

1.The representative of the clinic tells that dr.Kaan told me about DUPA many times. Where are the proofs? In out conversation in WhatsApp dr.Kaan told many times that he just does not know what is going on, he believes in medication. And he asked just to wait for more months to come.

2.When I first came to the clinic 2 years ago on the first op, we had about 5 minutes chat before the start. I was just told "Your donor is very good, everything would be fine". After the transplant we spoke about the recommendations, and it was saw palmetto and minoxidil. We spoke about Proscar, I said that I would never try it. Recommendations, not the mandatory things as the rep tells now.

When I came to the second op, dr.Kaan admitted that result of the first op was very bad, but he did not know the reason. He said that sometimes it could depend on other things and I understand that.

3.Finally when I got final result after the second op, I wrote to dr.Kaan, he just said that he does not think that there was a failure in the operation and that's it. I published my report on the forum, got a call from the clinic with the words that I "want to destroy the clinic reputation".

How so? Is publishing report with bad result - destroying the clinic reputation? Where in my report any bad or untruthful words about dr. Kaan or the clinic?

I was asked to delete the report immediately, and after I refused, the conversation became unethical.

They deleted the report shortly after, but why? I think my case might be useful.

Anyway the second result of the op was much better than the first, that I can not understand why. Hairs after the first op did not grow almost at all.

Thanks for the support.

I doubt that we will hear anything from the rep. They just deleted my report on the other forum, as it is much easier.

I was never diagnosed DUPA by anybody.

I was not diagnosed DUPA by Kaan. Even after second transplant he never told me I have DUPA and that taking finasteride is necessity.

If I have DUPA, why Kaan never told me that? When I came first time to the op 2 years ago he said my donor was very good. Almost a year ago during the second op he also did not tell me anything about DUPA. Ne also never told me this when I asked in the messages about my results.

And now a man, who has never seen me makes such a diagnosis. Thats bullshit.

1 hour ago, Dr. Pekiner Hair Clinic said:

Dredd, in your case medicines were mandatory because your androgenetic alopecia was miniaturizing also the donor area (it is a condition called DUPA and is more common than people think) and dr. Pekiner told you that many times. Not only you did not take Finasteride and Minoxidil as prescribed, you even started minoxidil on and off, that is worse than not taking it at all.

You said you got Finasteride driven depression after 2 weeks of usage, which looks rather unlikely. You said you got side effects from Minoxidil and even from Xpecia that is a mild Saw Palmetto supplement.
Dr. Pekiner also suspects you did not follow post surgery instructions, because you always behaved like you did not care, probably you were thinking that you just had to pay the money to the surgeon and get the results without being annoyed by medicines and post operative care. But the first month after the operation is the most important one.

It is like a fat man not following post operative instructions after a liposuction and starting to eat pies and donuts and lift heavy weights the day after. Surgery doesn't work this way, you must follow and trust doctor instruction and advices, it is not like "this is your money doc, now I want the problem solved".

At the end we have some suspects but we don't know exactly what happened, while you look so sure it was all dr. Pekiner's failure and like 2 weeks ago you started to feel the urge to inform the whole world.

You need to provide proofs of your words.

I can provide all messaging with Kaan, where I was concerned every month sending photos, asking why bad results, discussing side effects, which I got from the drugs.

Future clients of this clinic be aware in case something goes wrong just wait for long messages of his team how you did not follow surgery instructions, did not care about the op, slept on the wrong side and so on:)

A week ago I published my report on one forum (the place from which I knew about Kaan Pekiner). Instantly I got a call from the director of the Pekiner team (as she introduced herself) and she asked to delete the report. During the conversation she mentioned that maybe I could come to Turkey to see the dermatologist.

27 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

@dredd77

Why would you decline going for further testing? I think it should be noted that every surgeon has cases of poor growth. Some patients do not yield optimal results for certain dermatological reasons. I think it is important to understand that no surgery can ever be guaranteed. Before you even think about a third surgery. You should make sure that there is no underlying medical condition that could be causing poor growth. 

I did not like the way the representative was speaking with me by the phone. When I refused to delete the report, she became a sort of aggressive and began to say things about "Russian mentality" and so on.

Doubtful that the reason is in dermatological issues, I visited doctors here in Moscow,  they did not find anything wrong.

4 hours ago, Sky_walker said:

It isnt possible to tell an exact reason.Maybe the grafts were placed too close.The yield is really low according to the total graft number. Are you planning a third session?

Thought about third operation, but need to choose a doctor

I was advised to take Propecia or Xpecia and Minoxidil, but to support my native hair, not the transplanted ones. If the HT is useless if not taking drugs it should be mentioned before the HT.

I do not care about dr.Kaan reputation. I was first from Russia and I told dr.Kaan about Russian forum devoted to HT, his team representatives registered there after and he got many clients from there. I made him a free advertising.

Sure, now I am disappointed, money and time spent with no result.

16 hours ago, jj51702 said:

I’m sorry to hear you aren’t happy with your results. This doctor has been mentioned here a few times as of late and seems highly regarded especially since rumor is he trained with Keser and hlc.

 

what is his latest reply towards your results after surgery 2?

 

do you know if you have any scalp issues historically such as psoriasis, dermatitis, itchy scalp?

 

you may want to visit a dermatologist or get a biopsy performed if you do surgery again. I’m not an expert this is just my opinion 

He just said that the reason in the medication, he did everything best on the surgical part.

No I did not have any problem with the scalp, just right now my scalp is much more sensitive then before.

7 hours ago, jonnyalex said:

When I asked Dr. Keser about that, he seemed quite dismissive of this and said he just watched and was not involved at all. He also seemed a bit shocked that Kaan used his name to promote himself on his website. 

In terms of this result, unfortunately if you don't take any DHT blocker you'll likely either lose all the surrounding native hair or be giving your surgeon the perfect excuse if anything goes wrong. I had sides too. What people don't realise is the sides nearly always go after time. Instead they panic because of all the untrue stories they see online. 

What sides exactly did you have and when did they go away? I got strong depression and low libido and after 2 weeks I quit, could not wait more.

Hello, I would like to share my experience. Perhaps it would be helpful for somebody. I had 2 operations with Dr. Kaan Pekiner in Turkey Ankara. I had 2506grafts transplanted 20 months ago and 1000 grafts transplanted 8 months ago. The 12-month result after the first transplant (2506 grafts) turned out to be very bad, and Dr. Kaan offered a free touch up with 1000 grafts, and I agreed.

I am disappointed with the results so far, the front line density is low. From my personal point of view, the second operation 1000 grafts survived much better than the first  2506 grafts. Dr. Kaan said that the reason of such result is that I did not take finasteride/minoxidil, but I am not sure what the real reason is. The healing process was fine both times.         

About the medication, I used minoxidil 5% for half a year before the first operation and sometime after. It worked but I got some side effects and quit. I took Xpecia for some time, but got side effects and quit.

before:

post first op

6 months after first op

12 months after first op

8 months after the second op