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I can't figure out how to change the original heading of the thread but it ended up being 2604 grafts not 4000. It was supposed to be 4000 when I had it all booked in with online consultation but Dr. Rahal had said after seeing in person that my native hair in the middle there was still to much left where it was risky to add more due to shockloss there so we decided to just do the frontal third or so. There is pictures of right after the surgery on this thread with the hair count breakdown but it ended up being 2604 Grafts.

sorry this turned into a out of order mess a bit but the photos go before, 5 month, 6 month dry & wet, 9 month, 12.5-13 month front & sides, and then the 4 month here

9 month, 12.5-13 month front and sides

Hi Guy's I'm really sorry I did a horrible job of updating this thread and my progress/results. After I posted my concerned rant about not seeing any results at the 4 month mark about two weeks later I could start to see some things happening. Then by the 5 month mark I realized I no longer needed to wear a hat that 30 day period a lot happened. At 6 months it was night and day from where it was just 6-8 weeks prior when there was next to nothing that had happened. So hopefully anyone that maybe isn't having any growth at the 3.5-4 month mark that is worried might see this and realize it is still early as everyone told me, because my results ended up turning out excellent in my opinion. I'm super happy that I had the procedure done. I also should apologize to the Rahal clinic for leaving this thread in a negative state for such a long time when shortly after the post was made things started to really take shape! One thing I will say again is Dr. Rahal staff is the best of the best I had reached out to them at multiple stages throughout the last year and their level of service and care is truly world class. Also if you refer to my earlier posts about my experience at the clinic they are incredible. Dr. Rahal's work speaks for itself he is the hairline king!!! But I also wanted to speak to Dr. Rahal's demeanour or personality he truly is someone who cares about his patients and is clearly doing it for the right reasons and after experiencing that combined with his world class work and world class staff I honestly can't say enough good things about them and would highly recommend them to anyone. Thank you so much for everything! So attached is some pictures at the before post op, 4 month mark, 5 month, 6 month dry & wet, 9 month & 12.5-13 month mark front & both sides. Let me know what you guy's think. Thanks to everyone on these forums for if it weren't for this site I would have never found Dr. Rahal in the first place!

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Hi Guys sorry I haven't kept this updated like I said that I would for the first few months there wasn't much to report and I was just doing my best not to think about it so i stayed off of here. Quick catch up I had a decent amount of little in grown hairs in the 7-9 week range, my scar was concealable by the 6-7 week mark with longer hair & I was able to comb over and conceal everything in small doses by the 6 week mark with super long hair that I would have never wore that long before but which was nice although I've been wearing a hat 95% of the time. Up to current time I'm at 4 months & 2 days the pics attached are from 1 day before 4 months so 4 months. At the 3 month mark I started to see 2-4 hairs poke through but since then I have had literally nothing else happen. There is no growth and the 2-4 hairs that did poke through haven't grown in length at all in the last month just stayed the same. I'm definitely starting to think or realize there is a decent chance this might not turn out the way I had hoped or that I'll even see anything from it at all. I know that 4 months is early but to see basically no growth whatsoever at this point can't be a good sign. So couple questions for you guys 1. can anyone reference someone that also had no growth at 4 months that ended up with a good result ? Some positive reassurance would be nice at this point. It seems like the "slow growers" never get the premium results that they quicker growers get. Also could some of the Vets chime in about whether a guy should be worried at this point or not or if it is still early. Being that the literally 2-4 hairs out of the 2600 grafts put in haven't grown since popping through it seems hard to believe that even in 2 months I will be happy being that even more hairs popping through in the next month couldn't have too much visual impact at the theoretical length they would be at in 2 months and that most people are seeing some type of results at 6 months that I might not see anything. Below is a bunch of pictures all the hair in the donor area is native hair that I had before so when looking at the pics keep in mind you can't see a single transplanted hair in the pictures. As far as shockloss it is a bit hard to say but I would say I've lost somewhere in the 30% range I think some of those hairs are there and are thinner now so hopefully they make full recovery and just maybe the worst case will be that I look the same as before in awhile, if the surgery is a complete failure. Sorry not trying to be dramatic just its looking like I might be one of the poor results cases hopefully I'm wrong and I'll try to stay positive. I appreciate any feedback positive or negative the honest truth is what I would be happy to hear good or bad thanks. I did wet the hair in some of the pics so that you could see better as dry I can comb it over decently.

Hi guys so got back my photos from the clinic which are better quality than mine so I'll add all those below. Few things to note figured out that the headaches were allergic reaction to the keflex which was the antibiotic medication also had full scale reaction after the last pill upper body rash, killer headache, disoriented, yellow skin, slight respiratory shortness of breath i read up on online and it said if you have any of these reactions to Keflex seek immediate medical attention so I went to the hospital waited 3.5 hours met the doc told him what i had been taking and that these were all the top serious side effects of this medication and he said nope you have the flu go home...Thanks doc!! went home took couple days but the headaches went away and started to feel normal. Also to note I'm sure it normal from the seriousness of the surgery but man have I been mentally tired most of the time. I typically play a fair bit of poker and I can't even think at all at the table hopefully that ends soon! As of today which is 24 days post op all scabs are gone the hairs are starting to grow I have been using the Rogaine since day 15 as per Dr.Rahal instructions slight burning from it and minor redness so they have suggested i stop taking for a few weeks let skin heal bit more and try it again. The donor area is completely concealed by my hair you can't see the scar although if you move the hair you can see it, of course its still red but I'm wearing a hat cause of the recipient area is short little hairs and right behind it is long so looks goofy. Recipient hair I haven't lost any yet, that I can tell of they seem to be growing out some of them are longer than others, some are barely poking out through skin. Doesn't seem to be any signs of shock loss at all so far anywhere. Below is the clinic photos before and right after/ over the week that i was there. I'll post some current pics next week at the 30 day mark.

Little update today is day 12 post op had my sutures removed today by a nurse at the hospital didn't really hurt at all but do have some numbness still in the donor area which might have helped with that. She said everything looks good but I did have couple areas where it did have some very minor amounts of blood to me it looks pretty rough visually but when i got home i cleaned the area and had very minor blood spot on the clothe. I'll post a couple pics see what you guys think. I did email Dr.Rahal office tonight just to send the pictures in to see what they think if its normal or not (assumed would hear back tomorrow) despite the fact it was way past business hours and the after care ladies I emailed were technically off for xmas till tomorrow (auto email response said) She did still email back tonight, again just a testament to the clinic and everyone that works there world class no doubt. One clarification on my numbers from before that I had got confused on so it was the donor area that was 21.65cm2 not the recipient area. The recipient area was 50cm2 so in total worked out to 52Fucm2 on average but Dr.Rahal said the first 2cm were packed denser with the single hair grafts so that FuCm was higher there than 52. The recipient area was pretty itchy for the last 3-4 days and scabbed up most of the scabs are still there but have released from the skin and seem to still just be stuck on there by the hair. So I haven't touched them just let them fall off naturally couple more days till I can touch the recipient area. One notable thing is I never ever get headaches and I've had headaches everyday since a few days after the surgery when I wake up in the morning its pretty noticeable and seems to fade as the day goes on i haven't been taking anything for it just want to see what naturally happens. I think there is still a small bit of swelling in my forehead so that likely the cause I would assume. Thanks again for reading below is the donor pictures.

few more scab pictures

Currently at 9 days post op the last 2-2.5 days have started to get skin drying out and starting flake and crust it seems like there might be a couple areas where it looks like its fresh skin and there is no hair in it although i havent seen any of the flaking actually come off yet so hoping that isn't just where there is no hair follicle, hoping maybe the hair already fell out with an unnoticeable flake that fell off. Haven't had any bleeding so don't have any reasons to think there is any graft problems although its a bit of a scary time with everything flaking and starting to fall its hard to tell what is what. Attached is the some pictures of the scabs you kind kind of see the bare skin area slightly although the picture quality is not the best. The clinic is going to send me their pictures in the next 1-2 weeks once loaded on their system so I will update and back date the pictures to have some better quality pictures as well as some pictures of the donor area. Any comments on the scabbing ?? Normal ?

Hi guys so I got the graft update final count goes as follows 1 unit grafts 475 2 unit grafts 1581 3 unit grafts 509 4 unit grafts 39 total grafts 2604 total hair 5320 size of donor area 21.65cm2 So I'll have to ask again on monday about the grafts per cm as on the original in person meeting they said it was a 50cm area we would be doing, when i asked in person after the count the after care gal (not sure if I'm supposed to add names on here but she has been awesome) had said it worked out to 52 Fucm2 but 21.65cm2 is only 43cm surface area i think ? I'm not great at math so maybe I'm missing something or maybe when i asked she had calculated it on the original area we discussed but it was smaller once completed ? I'll double check unless one of you guys knows the math it it all sounds right ? So I think the lowest case scenario is 52Fucm2 but might be higher also with my native hair (hopefully that sticks around) should be a good Fucm2 I believe ? Dr.Rahal and everyone that has looked at it has said it looks really good and will be good result which is comforting to hear. I went yesterday to get my cleaning done at 930am i hadn't eaten anything which was a mistake and had taken the antibiotic & earlier in the night couple T3's. Once i got in the room was warm in there i got super nauseated sweats vibrating body and brutal sick feeling followed by cold shakes and feeling dizzy horrible all around. The team & Dr.Rahal were unbelievably on top of it getting some sugars in me OJ & Granola bars I ended up having to post up in one of the rooms for about 3-3.5 hours before I could get up without being dizzy the whole time Dr.Rahal and all the staff showing world class compassion, care and expertise I can't say enough positive things about him & all the staff it seemed like I was the only person in there even though I know they had other stuff to do it didn't seem like it. I can see now how scary this process would be if you went somewhere that had sub par care and service or had a doctor that was cocky or ego based it would not be a good experience. Having someone with a calm humble caring demeanour like Dr.Rahal and all his staff is crucial in my opinion and can't say enough good things about it. So I went back today got another cleaning done again told again everything looks really good I had some swelling in the right side of my face which they said doesn't happen to everyone but is normal try to stay at a 45 as much as possible since I've got back to the hotel my other side of my face has swollen huge it doesn't hurt just feels like pressure but looks really bad my head is .5x times bigger than normal looking like an elf from LOTR or stewy from family guy egg head lol. Below is a pic taken yesterday which would be one day post op sorry not the greatest pic bit hard to see the hairs but let me know any comments and thoughts. I tried to get a pic of donor scar but was tough with my hair in the way and was still a bit bloody last night so I'll try to get some donor ones tonight. Thanks again!

Thanks Ernie & Hsrp! Hsrp I had a look at your pics and see what you mean on the left side being a tad see through it seems like overall it looks really good and I'm assuming it doesn't bug you to much ? So my surgery seems to have went well I did ask Dr. Rahal to round out my temple closures a bit in the am which he happily did quickly (had to initial that form making the change). I asked him about lowering it 0.25-0.5cm and he didn't think it was a good idea so i went with the good docs suggestion and left that alone. My natural original hairline before any loss was one of a widows peak and then kind of arched up in a fairly symmetrical rounded manner to the temples. Mom said when i was born doctor commented i had a receding hairline at birth! Seems I was doomed from the beginning Lol. So I did want to replicate mother nature as much as possible with the drawn hairline. Dr.Rahal did note that typically he wouldn't come down quite that much for the widows peak with that shape. I had noted last night viewing his website and seeing a lot of the drawn hairlines being essentially half moon like from temple to temple arching down slightly in middle that once they grew in the after pictures showed more shape to end result than what i thought they would based on the purple marker drawings. So with that in back of my mind this morning when he noted he typically wouldn't come down quite that much I did ask right away if he seen any issues with it, if he suggested changing it or was uncomfortable with or thought it might not look quite right once done and he said No, so I went with my gut & we went ahead with it. Final result we ended up with just a tad over 2600 grafts think they said 2620 but I'll confirm tomorrow he said it went really well and both him and the techs said everything looks really good which is nice to hear. The cleaned me up she asked if i wanted to see it got to admit I was scared to look. I didn't get a great look at the density to form opinion but I'm hoping that being yesterday he said 2100 grafts for the area was going to be around 50Fucm2 that the extra 500 grafts should up that number ? My gut reaction was that I really liked the design shape so thats good. The donor scar they commented looks really good from what I could tell it seemed to look good I know its stitched up but can't help but feel like the sucker could blow wide open which obviously won't happen. I guess that's all for now will post some pics soon as I have them thanks again guys much appreciated!

Hi guys quick update I met with Dr.Rahal in person today he had a look over everything and has revised the original plan of doing a 4k Fut in zones 1-4 or 1-5 potentially. I guess my donor hair is a bit finer than they thought it was based on the pics, just slightly below average, My mid scalp hair there is more hair there than they thought there was (i suspected might happen as my pics did show in bad light to show through and hair was moved around to show the thinness as it is reasonably thick and covered) & said it is pretty risky to do the mid scalp to far in based on shockloss, as well as maybe not as good of donor supply amount as originally anticipated. So the new plan was to just do the front hairline zones 1-3 ? ish but only with around 2100 grafts at 50FuCm2 and leave the rest of mid and donor for future loss and procedures. I'm cool with not doing into the mid scalp as much as shockloss was one of my bigger concerns and I can make whats there cover just fine. The hairline is drawn in & surgery is in the am I'm going to ask for couple minor tweaks to hairline tomorrow morning to round out the temple closures a bit more & maybe lower it 0.25-0.4cm ? Little bit of adjustment period mentally with a fairly big change in game plan which I'm ok with the only thing I'm concerned with at this point is 2100 grafts with finer hair than i thought i had seems a bit on the light side for good density based on Ernie your case, seems like I will be treating a somewhat similar area as yours. So I think I should just run this by him at least again in the am to see if bumping it up a bit more even to closer to 2500 would be a better result. (maybe can't lower hairline design as that might just eat up the extra grafts right there if he can go up to 2500). Not sure if anyone will see this before I leave in the am but any comments appreciated thanks guys!

Right on thanks guys much appreciated!

thanks buddy! Yeah Im excited/nervous reading through the aftercare stuff (all things I've researched) but reality kicks in for sure I'm tied into now no turning back. Year long mental and physical journey. I will be for sure taking your advise into my conversation with Dr.Rahal as to getting some higher Fucm2 closer to mid 50's in at least the front first bit as you mentioned. Thanks for that input!

Hi guys just wanted to start a new thread to start documenting my HT journey. I've learned so much from this site and I'm grateful for finding it and the users for its supportive environment. I hope that me documenting my journey will in return help someone else and as well help me to gauge how its going and get feedback from the community. I will do my best to keep this up to date and document it and how i feel about the whole thing the good and (small ) potential bad, hopefully all good! Quick bit about myself which I did post in a different thread titled "newbie....." I'm 35 years old Caucasian with light/moderate skin tone and dark brown hair. I have been called a norwood 3-4 and started losing my hair about 12-13 years ago. Started in the front corners and receded pretty quickly then forelock also receded back all this in about 2.5-3 years to point it was pretty noticeable friends making large forehead jokes when i used to be the guy with the biggest head of hair going!. Then stabilized around age 27 or so for a few years I think in part to laser comb therapy which surprisingly did have positive effects for me. Once it receded back far enough all the thin hair was gone I was left with decent density in front just a higher up hairline so still workeable and styleable. Then around 31-32 it started up again thinning further in the frontal 3rd then in the last 3 years or so crown started and crown got a good sized hole in it pretty quickly in the last couple years. frontal now is pretty thin and corners bare but I can still comb forward in essence and cover everything reasonably well. I apologize if this is 100% congruent with my original timelines in previous thread as I'm going on memory and of course never recorded any of this (who wants to monitor and stress more over it!). I tried propecia a few times over the last 10 years or so and never used it for more than 60 days as the sides were brutal for me last tried it 3 years ago. Also tried rogaine spray and the regular stuff for about a couple months 3 years ago but had brutal shedding which may have been due to over using it and drying out the hair. So I have an appointment booked with Dr.Rahal for next week! for around 4k grafts in frontal third and mid scalp. Depending on the density I go with based on their online consultations they are thinking zones 1-4 at 50Fucm2 or zones 1-5 at 45Fucm2 with more of it going to full frontal rebuild as i still have some good/decent midscalp hair. I'm a bit concerned with the 45Fucm2 based on what I read on here that 50 sounds to be better as i dont want a thin look in the front (already have that!) but have decided I will let the good Doc give me his opinion of this once he sees in person as I've also realized the Fucm2 is not all about numbers but also hair caliber color etc. I'm also concerned about shockloss as I do have some decent mid scalp hair that when comb right can cover mid and front without seeing through for the most part so don't want to lose it but it is thinning as well. I will post some pre op as well as post next weekend once I have a chance to relax. Wish me luck thanks guys!

thanks HSRP10 i had a look at ernie's story and his 60cm2 he did state that rahal said he had fine hair so im hoping mine is a bit thicker as they keep suggesting 45cm2 and if they go to 50cm (which still sounds light based on what ive read here) that one less zone will have to be treated I know a guy can't have it all but I'm wondering if any one knows on here of anyone that had frontal zone transplanted at 45cm2 whatever thickness they had and had what looked to be a good result that wasn't see through ? I ended up booking with rahal on a cancellation for next week so I will also start to document my journey nervous/excited! thanks for your all your help up to now!

Im curious as to your guys opinions as to the Fu/cm ratios as a couple of the consults ive had mostly from rahal office ( i do have fairly good donor) they said 45Fu/cm will be good to shoot for i realize it has to with amount you are trying to cover and the hair characteristics etc but from your guys experience on here would a 45Fu/cm create a good density ? when you guys are saying on here that a 50Fu/cm is weak and your shooting for 60-70 ?

Thanks for all the comments and opinions guys much appreciated! just when i thought all my hours of research on here lead me to having it all figured out and just needing to pull the trigger I think I need to contemplate a lot of this stuff further and future plans and while i know way more now about it all I know way less about Wtf i should do lol. I agree I think next step is to get as best as possible a donor amount assessment from each Doc as that a good bit of info to decide what is best course of action now and in the future. Also Mav I just spent a good hour read your whole thread on your journey ( i had read a decent chunk of it before but went through it all again) thanks for the detailed write up and it seems like we have or had for you (past tense) very similar situations as far amount and type of hair loss. Congratulations on your stellar results and I'm glad you are happy with them and good to hear you would recommend Rahal. After seeing some of the post op pics from Rahal office at 2+ weeks etc they sent me I was thinking ok no prob I can do this within a month no one will be able to tell I'll let my native hair grow out and cover it all up well shit like you said it took you 3-3.5 months to get back to preop look that was a reality check as thats what i thought it was before but was starting to get rose colored glasses cause of some of the Dr. pics I had seen so I really appreciate your detailed experience and realness of it. More research to do I'll keep you guys updated as I will be going ahead with HT in the next 12 months but with who and when and how remain to be determined i guess! There is a decent chance I might just take one of Rahal quick cancellation spots here shortly as well and just put some trust in one of the best to do his thing!

Right on thanks guys much appreciate the feedback yeah I'm kind of reevaluating everything and a bit more confused then ever now about what to do below was the response I got from Dr.Konior "The photos you sent show the very early makings of what may become an advanced hair loss pattern. This statement is based on the photos which show miniaturization throughout the overall male pattern balding region. Although it is possible to begin surgical restoration if you have conservative goals, surgical restoration will provide only a short term density boost since the preexisting hair will continue to thin over time. It is important for you to have a perspective of what your final pattern will be since your surgical options will be based on that final pattern and on the limitations of your donor area. This is even more important in light of your inability to use stabilization medications. I believe the hairline you have drawn is a bit too aggressive considering the fact that donor supplies are limited and there is no way to fully restore the entire thinning zone front to back. A tight scalp is sure to limit a donor harvest. Your frontal zone looks as if it will require about 2000 grafts for a decent hairline restoration. Exactly what can be harvested in a single day can only be determined by an in-person consultation. I would suggest that you consider a slightly higher hairline design as this will better allow distribution of your limited graft reserves a bit further back into some of the other thinning areas that are of concern." I know it would be ideal for me to be completely bald then get a transplant but i see tons of guys getting work done that have more hair than me but of course maybe they are able to take propecia. Ideally I would like to have some work done now & over time so lots of people don't notice i had a HT versus waiting 5-10 years to go totally bald and not being happy with my hair for those 5-10 years and then get work done and have it be super obvious. Kind of thinking the one Hasson suggestion of doing 6k grafts now would be a mistake for sure after hearing Konior suggestion better to save grafts for future when mid scalp really needs it. Which maybe leans me towards Rahal get the front redone to reframe face maybe a bit in mid scalp but basically get the rahal hairline bit higher up than originally wanted and just save the rest of the donors for future procedures ??? Side note we can't be more than 10 years away from cloning hairs are we ? They can print a fricking organ for god sakes why do guys still need to go bald at all!!! joking of course. Thanks guys!

sorry don't know how to fix the upside down pictures anyone ? Thanks

Hi guys first off want to introduce myself I've been lurking around this site for good year plus i believe and want to thank all the users and mod's for this site and the supportive informative environment you've created I've learned so much off here its unreal! So I've been considering a HT for 10+ years but really seriously in the last year thank god didn't do it 10 years ago wasn't needed then. I have spent a lot of time on here and doctors sites. And I'm strongly considering getting a HT in the next 1-12 months with it likely being sooner than later. I've narrowed it down to 3 doctors which names you'll all be familiar with Hasson, Konior & Rahal. I've had an in person consult with a sales rep for Dr.Hasson, and an online consult and many emails with rep from Dr.Rahal and I just sent a virtual consult to Dr.Konior awaiting response with recommendation from him. So my questions if anyone would care to help me out with would be based on the below info I'll leave about the two consults and what I "think" to be correct about the Doc's based on what I know of their styles and opinions on their varying approaches to my situation, what some secondary opinions would be from you guys. Quick run down I'm 35 years old caucasian with dark brown medium density hair. Slightly above average donor hair but below average laxity (working on that). Been losing my hair for 12-13 years started in front corners and forelock fairly quickly & significant receding back then stabilized around age 27-32 then last 2-3 years very noteable crown loss and some minor/moderate thinning in mid scalp and some more front thinning corners are now bare. Ive tried rogaine and propecia but have had negative sides so haven't used those in 3+ years. (never used either for more than 60 days at any point in time). have been called a Norwood 3-4 by Rahal & Rep for Hasson. My biggest concern if i had to pick would be frontal rebuild that can deflect bullets but would also like crown fixed (would be ok with it not being perfect if need be) and some thickening in mid scalp. but front line ideally rock solid. 1. Dr Hasson sales rep very nice guy suggessted either A. 4000 grafts 2500-3000 in front hairline and back into native hair then 1000-1500 in crown or B. 6000 grafts some variation of the above maybe a bit more in front hairline if going 6k but sprinkle the other 1500-2k in mid scalp. I like second idea based on possibility of maybe only 1 HT ever. My concerns though would be i have a decent chunk of native hair in mid scalp will i lose to much of it to shockloss and end up burning up my grafts then have a good hairline, decent crown and bald mid scalp down the road ? Seems like Hasson is able to get more grafts than the other docs for whatever reason so maybe this ok and he can do even more later ?. From my opinion it seems like Hasson hairline aren't quitte as agressive and are fairly high up which i wasn't as keen on otherwise I think would already decided on Hasson. But seems like his scars are minorly better than Rahal ? 2. Dr.Rahal also suggested 4000 grafts 3kish in front hairline and 1k-1.5k into mid scalp originally said 45Fu/cm zones 1-5 when i raised concerns (not sure they are legit ?) that I would like to have 50Fu/cm he said could do zones 1-4 then. good idea yay or nay ?They seem reasonably adamant they can't get more than 4k grafts in one shot but will determine in person but are coming right out saying they may never be able to treat the crown and unless they can get more than 4 k this go around won't even consider it and think the remaining grafts should be saved for future mid scalp if/when needed in future. I wasn't super keen on not having crown work done now or ever and originally thought i could do 1 HT and be good for 10+ years but maybe not the case. I do really like his hairlines of course otherwise based on what I know to this point would be going with Hasson if he could match rahal hairlines. Can I maybe get the Rahal hairline now then do a H&W crown and any more mid scalp work later being they can get more grafts than Rahal can for whatever reason? 3. Dr.Konior haven't got info back yet but really like that it seems like he is able to achieve the same work that the other docs can do but with a noteable amount less grafts is this correct or I'm dreaming ? His hairlines are a bit softer than Rahal though but I do like his still. I'm assuming he will be able to do crown as well as front ? but we will see what he says. Ideally a canadian doc is better due to poor exchange rate me being canadian it will be alot more $ to go see Konior but i won't let this be a final deciding factor. I've seen a few mediocre or outright poor results from Rahal & Hasson (no one bats 1000 as you say) but of course majority are rock solid. Whereas Konior I can't find any of those mediocre or poor results so this is concerning with the other two there is a small chance it turns out way below expectations. One last minor consideration in the next 45-60 days is ideal time of year for me with work and down time to hide out for recovery for 2 months and i can get in to see rahal in that time which has some clout but obviously cant be used to make to much of the decision. If not done in next 60 days would likely wait till end of next year for those reasons of the safe hide out time away from work for awhile otherwise to busy and couldn't hide. Hope this all makes sense sorry i know this is a long winded post but needed to get all the details out if you made it this far thank you for your time and look forward to any comments or opinions. I'll attach some pic as well thanks guys!

hi shadow when you say recoil at the strip scars do you mean by rahal or in general ? Thank you