whattheFUE

Generally a good rule of thumb to ignore all cases posted by the clinics themselves.

On 10/13/2020 at 12:24 AM, 1978matt said:

Did you even read the thread?

From the outset it was explained that this is a conserative HT.  He has very fine hair according to the doctor, and about another 4000 grafts left after this.  Only about 1/4 of his scalp was covered so the rest must be reserved for the middle and crown.

Not everyone has super thick spanish high density donor hair and cannot expect similar results.

This seems more like low survival rate than "conservative" to me.

On 10/20/2020 at 9:26 AM, Portugal25 said:

Here`s my opinion on the best of best.

TOP FUE Doctors

Dr. Raymond Konior 

Dr. Bruno Ferreira 

Dr. Bruno Pinto 

Dr. Sahar Nadimi 

TOP Combined FUE + BHT Doctors

HLC Ankara

Dr. Kaan Pekiner 

Dr. Sethi or Dr. Arika @ Eugenix 

TOP FUT Doctors

Dr. Raymond Konior

Dr. Bijan Feriduni

Hasson&Wong 

Dr. Sever Muresanu 

Feller&Bloxham 

I can't take any list seriously with Feller on it. That guys results, even at his best, were average. And he's done nothing lately.

Blake and Nadimi are too new and unproven. If they were putting our results like Freitas maybe. But they're not even close.

And Eugenix? After all that's happened here with them?

This is not a good list.

On 10/23/2020 at 11:41 AM, Gasthoerer said:

 

How does Nadimi make it on your list? And this is an honest question no critique. 

Granted she has a great teacher but she has how much posted reviews? 3? 5? And she does this for only a couple of years while still doing nose jobs etc. 

Also, I think Konior and Nadimi using pre-made slits and not implanter pens or am I mislead?

I wouldn't put Nadimi up there because I've heard a few people on here talk about personality issues with her and I'm not really that wowed by her results.

On 11/12/2020 at 8:41 AM, Hairgain22 said:

I’ve seen Cuoto on YouTube can’t get any better than that, why’s he not in the forum? 

Strongly recommended to ignore all results published by the surgeons themselves. They are essentially useless.

On 10/13/2020 at 4:08 AM, Portugal25 said:

@whattheFUE I have to agree with @Melvin-Moderator because it makes zero sense to place Keser in that list as this is a Doctor that doesn`t use a microscope, doesn´t speak English (recluse from the international FUE scene) and cherry picks his patients.

Couto has almost no real patients at the Spanish forum as it`s dominated by Dr. Bruno Pinto (Porto) and Dr. Ximena Villa (Madrid). He is however fully booked for more than 2 years and does seem tk be achieving great results.

Dr. Rafael De Freitas started working in this field at the Portuguese Hairmill C2MC (2010-2012) where techs do your surgery with little supervision from the Doctor so I`m baffled as to how a Doctor with 2 years experience at a Hairmill plus 2 years of experience at some clinics and hospital in Spain prior to opening his own clinic is now awarded a spot on a Top 10 list.

Hattingen is in my opinion the best for anyone looking for FUT Mega Sessions other than that I would recommend other surgeons.

Hasson&Wong are legends and do belong in any top 10 list even if they do use techs do the part of the surgery (probably some of the best techs in the world).

Portugal,

I put caveats but I certainly think Keser as a softer touch. Comparing him to docs that don't use a microscope he's still getting better results. That's just my opinion.

The Spanish forums have a HUGE amount of cases published by patients for those two unless they're fake accounts.

Freitas's results are too consistent to ignore him. Maybe you could call him Rookie of the Year, but certainly better results than guys who have been around forever.

I agree w Hasson on the top 10 list. Wong has too many screw ups.

On 10/12/2020 at 8:56 PM, Melvin-Moderator said:

Honestly, I think you're stuck in 2015. Your posts, your lists, it just seems like you're stuck in a time warp, probably because you don't come here often. Yes, our surgeons sponsor the forum, that is how we're able to keep the forum up and running without any ads or pop-ups. I personally don't get paid by any surgeons, so you are mistaken there. Lists are subjective, but one thing that is not are real reviews. There are only a handful of surgeons who have over a dozen real patient reviews that are successful and with happy patients.  Dr. Konior is one of them. He's definitely high up on my list. 

 

He's has over a dozen reviews that have matured in the last year and a hal

 

 

 

 

 

Haha. What a joke. Most of the cases you posted are from previous years.

And you DO get paid by advertisers looking to add themselves to that list of "approved surgeons". Or are you now making that list for free?

5 hours ago, win200 said:

I see what you're talking about, but the first pass of a completely new hairline--which this is--usually doesn't have super strong density.  I went through the same process and it was only the second pass that truly beefed up the density.  This was a lot of real estate covered, plus dark hair on fair skin, so you're bound to see scalp between hairs.  

Comparing his 1 year out to his post op:

It's extremely hard to give a "percentage survival" but I think something happened. Especially considering this was FUT so you had plenty of connective tissue and much less trauma when they were harvesting.

31 minutes ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

Konior hasn't had many patient results or reviews? What are you talking about, he's had at least half a dozen this year alone, and a guy who just had one recently posting on YouTube. Also, Keser doesn't use microscopes, for that reason alone he shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Konior. Now, Cuoto, that is a surgeon who I haven't seen many patient reviews. I always hear he's on Spanish forums, but even then I don't see that many. I definitely see Hans Heinicke, Lorenzo, Ximena Vila way more. 

This is just from the Spanish forums, looking under patient posted reviews. Their search function sucks compared to yours, but there's no questioning the volume.

Konior's patients have published half that number this year (3) as far as I can tell. I'm not counting that 700 crown job. But he has been downtrending in numbers for awhile, I think it just happens with time. Again, not clinic submitted as certainly he would have no need to advertise. But patient submitted. I think the numbers may seem like more because there's so much discussion about each one and cases from previous years are updated. I do not think, unfortunately, that his most recent results match his efforts from a few years back. As I said in my original post, I could be wrong but that's just how it looks to my untrained eyes.

But feel free to actually suggest a list. I know you make money from surgeons through advertising, but that doesn't mean you can't pick a best of.

5 hours ago, champybaby said:

Er, have you seen Couto's* YouTube channel? It's a more successful marketing vehicle to capture patients at scale versus posting here. That's why he doesn't post here. If you knew Konior you'd know he posts here as a contribution to the craft; he's not posting here to capture customers.

I was referring to Couto's patient's posting their results on recuperarelpelo. I haven't bothered viewing his youtube videos because, well, they're posted by him.

We'll just have to have different opinions on Konior. I certainly think the Konior/Lorenzo area changed what we all thought was possible with hair transplantation. I am referring to the rarity of his patient posted results over the last few years when I search by date. The proof is in the pudding, and the only real pudding we have is from patient submissions.

I would be curious to hear the rankings of others.

As we near the end of the year, I'm curious as to everyone's top guys are these days?

For me (in this order):

-Couto
-Kesser
-Hattingen
-Freitas
-Hasson

I would put Couto as the stand alone "Lebron" of the field as it is right now if you trust the Spanish forums. The explanation given is that he doesn't post here because recuperarelpelo gives him more than enough business. It is, however, very odd that almost none of his or Freitas's patients post here when the work of other Spanish docs like Lorenzo had such a presence years ago.

I would put a caveat by Kesser in that he very carefully selects his patients and stays away from trickier scenarios. I am very troubled by many of the practice standards and results from other Turkish docs, in particular Doganay and Erdogan.

I wouldn't put Konior at the top anymore as he doesn't have many patient submitted cases and his results have middled over the last few years, even for strip. I could be wrong.

I would say that North America in general seems to have fallen significantly behind Europe. Really not anything super impressive from the states these days, even before pandemic times.

I would avoid Asia in general. The biggest names from there really have done odd things in the past. Darling Buds is sus af.

The hairline looks spotty and not filled in considering the amount of grafts used. Konior is usually the opposite.

Am I the only one seeing this?

10 minutes ago, hairlossPA said:

it actually makes complete sense if you researched the tools they used to do FUE extractions....

It doesn't.

If you're pushing hair follicles "together" you're leaving space where they were. Bulbar punch technique or not, unless you are somehow reducing the amount of scalp you can't do what he is suggesting.

It sounds like he's just hand waving to justify a practice change in response to market preferences.

On 9/9/2020 at 3:38 PM, Flash10 said:

The way Dr. Hasson explained it to me was as follows: the FUE extraction tool is a trumpet and actually pushes the hairs together, assuming a multi hair follicular unit. In contrast, using the FUT method, follicular units are separated by dissecting the strip. After the unit has been separated there is excess tissue surrounding the unit. In order to achieve a very high density, the excess tissue is cut away from the unit. By cutting away the edges the hairs within a multiple hair unit are pulled apart, thus limiting how compact the actual unit can be, which limits the ultimate density that could be achieved using said units. Hope this is as clear as mud for ya.

 

That explanation sounds completely nonsense. What in the hell is Hasson talking about.

On 6/9/2020 at 9:53 PM, SpareHair said:

Are you of the opinion that Dr. Hassan is the best hair surgeon in  North America? (maybe after Konior!)

Hasson is probably the best stripper in North America. I wouldn't put Konior at the top anymore because I haven't seen much in the way of patient cases from him for quite awhile, even before the pandemic started.

On 9/11/2020 at 11:20 AM, JamesSterling said:

Why is he so popular if there are no obvious results to see? 

Because his patient posted results are on recuperarelpelo and most people here don't know Spanish.

17 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

So you’re saying we made Joe, Spex and Mickey leave because of money? 

Yes.

1. When a good member is driven away after being ganged up on by the less well informed, and supported by admin for behind the scenes reasons. (The answer to 99 out of a 100 questions is....... drumroll. . . . money.) I miss Spex, Mickey, JoeTillman and the other more elegant shill-patients that used to gather around these parts. It was refreshing to hear them speak, because you knew what they were going to say, who they were going to bash and what general energy their post would contain. A "Dana White" of hair loss would be a great thing. Dr. Feller would be a choice here as he goes into his golden years, but the man is so unstable and gets offended too easily in a place where offending someone is often the only best option. Ultimately, if the forum becomes what it's current policy is gearing towards, it will be left with the admin and a few users that strongly agree with him and thrive through the bizarre false-protection that being friends with the admin on a site gives. More experienced users will become jaded with the selective censorship dance with mob mentality that seems to fill the air here as of late. 

2. When a respected surgeon has a bad result that shows their clinic wasn't the kool-aid that we all sought. Everybody has a bad day, but not everybody has a bad career.

3. When a respected surgeon has a bad result, and comes on to defend it, talking to forum members here like we're patients. We're not, we're something in between. As such, there needs to be more carefully thought out respect to avoid getting into what most of Feller's interactions here were before he quit. An angry old man unable to communicate with potential patients as he sees them as so far below them its laughable. Let's not ever do that again.

4. When we have a patient post a case with a great doc that doesn't have many cases, everything looks like it's going to take off, then that guy disapprears. Retention is a major problem. Giving users bonuses or increased board rights for completing a full year's journey of successful pics is an obvious solution to this problem.

5. When someone comes along with something that sounds feasible but amazing -- hair duplication and piloscopy come to mind -- something that would completely invert the hair loss surgery industry, and go beyond that to influence what the general population looks like. A procedure so devastatingly effective, it changes our believes about what's normal. Breast implants did this decades ago, boner pills came a bit after, accutane, antiobiotics, ketogenic dieting, removing pesticides from food, toxins from air... Someone comes along, a confident weirdo. The weirdo is key because it reminds you there's no basis for the  confident. And suggests he is the next thing. The difficulty of encouraging a crazy person while still pulling the reigns on a madman is a palpable balancing act in a field like hair loss. I worry that some version of this happened with piloscopy, even Nigam.

Constructive criticism can advance art forward a few decades. Only if it goes on too long and without change do people need to revert back to criticism. But even then, be selective. Silence and ghosting are so important in the modern world.

I wish there was an option to block specific users entirely, so as not to see any of their posts or even their username. This would probably be something to look into Mel.

Wrong forum

9 months is not enough time to evaluate an FUE. The growth is so much slower than FUT and you have light hair and probably are metabolizing much slower because of inactivity and stress associated with quarantine. Give it till 12-15 months before you make any calls. Also are you on meds?

On 7/14/2020 at 3:15 PM, Curious25 said:

Yet you are still adamant that Couto is such a good choice, despite not seeing any patient testimonials? 

What in the sam hill are you talking about. This is why it's dangerous to trust people on forums.

Go to recuperar al pelo. There is no one in the US doing what those guys do.

Those donors holes look massive. Wow.

Donor looks amazing. Yield is coming along. Please keep us updated.

Stop posting your results in the patient forum Billena. It comes across as unethical in that you're trying to pass these off as patient submitted