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For those that wanna ease-out fina and polish the rough edges, here's the tip! You can cycle fina with kera if you're on the former still. Here are some studied schedules (strictly off-the record, unofficial and at your own risk!): type 1 (maintenance mode): 1 day 1mg fina (1/day), next day kera (2 caps/day 10am/9pm - correct times are essential, allow minimum 12 hours between fina and kera) and so on... type 2 (active therapy mode for die-hard fina fans): 7 consecutive days 1mg fina, 3 days kera (2 caps/day 10am/9pm - correct times are essential, allow minimum 12 hours between fina and kera)! Absolutely positively DO NOT mix them at the same time/ in the same day! The peak/off-peak of DHT (cycle of high-low values) is reasonably linear and you get to keep the positive effects of both treatments plus slightly less sides from fina. The long-term effects of fina however (for those that pop fina for many years...). are irreversible and may continue even after you stop the treatment with fina. The above is not necessarily valid for the combination between kera & whatever supplements as the observation was made exclusively on men following the fina/kera schedules. Possible side effects of kera for first time users of kera only (actually of the low DHT itself): mild dizziness (1st to 2nd week), mild fatigue, possible shedding (of telogen hairs anyways, so don't freak out, it's normal, 1st to 2nd month), mild transient paresthesia (like ants crawling on the skin) The good: kera retard it's fully compatible with their new keratene xetra (for those of you wishing to boost libido and have a harder boner boner in the morning while on fina), so you can actually cycle both dht suppressors and get a slightly improved sex drive (checked&true ). The bad: the former is (still) available, the later (xetra) is not available yet. (xetra is not a hair loss treatment, it's just a libido booster, not a testosterone booster - avoid those if you wanna keep your hairs!) Then, kera will not increase/decrease the anagen-telogen period. your telogen hair strands will fall eventually with or without kera/fina. they do that anyway, even on fina. who claims that "their hair loss stooooped (uh!) immediately on fina", is either oblivious or a poor observer. More tips from friends and foes: - kera doesn't grow hair. are you nw4 or more? consider well before buying it, may not be very effective for these types (says so on the product info, so consider saving your cash unless you wanna save what's left). - combination of various supplements/boosters/meds can cause unexpected and surprisingly weird sides, so do avoid crazy things and stay away from the meds closet. - creatine plus T boosters + fina and/or kera equals guaranteed trouble and very very very poor results. creatine + T boosters practically wipe out any positive effects of non-medicated dht suppressors. avoid for you best interest! - intense itch of/on the scalp (i mean the real bad m**r f**r type of itch) signals a massive shedding (telogen & 'almost' exogen strands, but one could freak out). expect in the next 48 to 72 hours to loose some. what to do -what to do? take preemptive actions and use a product with ketoconazole or the kera shampoo +/- ultra (contains anti bacteriological agents anyway, but needs to be use the same day when the itch begins). it won't save the dead strands but it will make it easier for... the next time. - avoid overdosing B7/B6. some dudes pop massive, industrial amounts of b7/b6 in the order of grams of b7 to hundreds of milligrams of b6. b6 in massive dose will cause liver toxicity, b7 in industrial quantities will make it worse + kidney failure on long term. well tolerated is up to (max!!!) 20 x the drd for b7 (go for max 10x for your balls' sakes) and up to (max!) 3x the drd for b6. Hope it helps!

I mean the difference, the ratio between the initial value 1467 and end result 368. The math behind the number is according to the equation: (Given amount Divided by Total amount) x100 = % Or you can calculate it by multiplying the number you have, by the percentage you are after, so, if you want to know 29% of 352, you would do 352 x 0.29 = 102.08 respectively, in my case: 368 (end value) x 4.1 (as in 401%) = 1476 (initial value) ergo, 401% My mistake was that I said 350% where it should have been 401%. Yes, it went up when I stopped and my wallet went down with another 200 bucks to repeat the test. And it went low again when I started again. So did the wallet. ---------- Nope, Fina can drop DHT from 2470 (huge btw, but 'achievable') to under 190 (confirmed TC-LMS!). That is not 70%, that it's a whopping 1300% and... pure endocrine mess-up (good to know for the casual consumers). In math , that is 190 x 13 (as in 1300%) = 2463

My reference goes to this keratene version Perhaps guys sensitive to Finasteride wanna look into the above too, could be interesting.

Well, there is a way you could find out... test your DHT. That will tell you right away, after 8 or so days. I mean, you should see some change in the level of the hormone. According to the producer, it does not work on the hormone(s) as in inhibiting their secretion. All it does is prevent the chemical reduction of Testosterone into DHT. It does not inhibit the enzyme production and it does not influence other hormones in the body. It is an indirect DHT depressor. It basically leaves everything untouched, and it simply prevents one simple reaction between two substances from happening. Uncomplicated yet elegant. To back up the claims, the tests I've done measured several parameters, level of total t, free t , lutropin, sbhg, dhea, estradiol, estrogen and dht. All except the last, all were pretty much (+/- 6%) the same, whereas dht had a large variation, 350%. Too large to ignore or label it as incidental. And this was reproduced twice. I'll do one more test this year. Keep you posted.

Keratine? No, I'm not on Keratine, I'm on Keratene, it's a bit different (French spelling, sounds like Kerrrataenae, very french, all open ae's like in Kenya). Keratine is something else. I tried fina for 6 months prior, on and off, ending in a total halt after 6 months. I know it works fine for other men, but I'm not included in that crowd. Form K?ratene I had zero libido loss no erectile dysfunction, nada. It went ok, from the start till now. I'm pleased so far, like i said.

I'm on it since November last year. Works out superbly, had DHT 1467 before, after 10 days dropped to 368. Has some mild sides in the first week, but after that it went smoothly. It's a new prod. will take a while to become known so I doubt any docs will rep it.

Hey Hariri, great info, good job! One mention though, [- Lowers dht by 25%] is valid for people with slightly lower DHT. In previous trials there were bigger differences, even up to 4 times less DHT. People with stunningly high levels in the region of >1800pg/ml went after 10 days to 500 or lower. It's a good result. [in my opinion, its not as strong and effective as propecia (Finastride) which lowers 90% DHT.] From what the customer care says, I get this "... it lowers DHT dynamically and proportionally, accordingly to the total available level in the body..." (in other words, if it's low, it won't reduce it too much, if it's high, it will work harder). Overall it looks like a promising for the guys looking for an alternative to the current meds. Have you tried it yet? Any personal impressions?