ILikeMyHair

On 3/27/2019 at 5:25 PM, Bill - Seemiller said:

There may be an in between, but for the most part, I don’t think it really does much to stop hair loss especially if used topically.   It may have some marginal affect if used orally. 

Is it safe to use orally?

On 1/8/2019 at 1:39 AM, mrmane85 said:

Hey mate, I'm really sorry to hear about your experience. I thought your hair looked really good before this procedure, but that's just from an outsider looking in.

If I were to offer my opinion, I would say that particularly based on this experience I would not include the words 'convenient' or 'least time consuming' when thinking about any repair work. I would be looking at getting the best result possible, no matter how convenient or time consuming, as if it is done right then you won't have to spend all that time every day obsessing about how you are unhappy with the result and all the anxiety that comes with it, just for the sake of a flight and a few days in a hotel. You can get on with your life and never have to think about it again. 

If looking at graft extraction then go to the best of the best and get it done properly. I have not had any personal experience with Dr Konior but from what I have heard he is an outstanding surgeon and has mastered the art of FUE, so maybe a consult with him to see what is possible would be worth the time. Just my opinion but I wish you the best of luck and I know that if researched properly, you can achieve a good result and can move on with your life. 

 

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Ya I also wish I had not gotten another HT. All i wanted was to fill it up a little and I ended up in his office with him pressuring me to lower my hairline. I should've stood up for myself and told him more firmly I don't want to lower it. Worst mistake of my life. What do you think of Dr. Rahal for FUE? I used to see a lot of results from him and they were all really good. 

4 minutes ago, Rawkerboi said:

Why the hell Dr.Suneet Soni is recommended in our forum?

To ruin lives

7 hours ago, Spanker said:

Looks like you had poor growth and you are losing additional hair.  The hairline is waaaaay too low. 

Dr. Soni thinks it was a great idea. That's why he pressured me for 40 min to let him lower it. How this scumbag made it to the list of recommended doctors here blows my mind. 

17 hours ago, Kiwi Guy said:

Thank you for sharing your experience, we need to see cases like yours to get a fair gauge on the good and bad of HT's. Did Dr Wong give you those touch ups for free after his initial result was average at best?

Yes touchups were free

1 hour ago, Since21 said:

I thought your first results with Wong were fine. Not spectacular, but it wasn't a high graft count and for what it was, it looked natural. But no sense in dwelling on the past. It doesn't address your present concerns. I tend to agree with the person who suggested harvesting what you can from the new 'hairline' and use it to boost the hairline work done by Wong. I would consult with a top surgeon about it (maybe even see what Wong says) but I wouldn't go back to the surgeon who did this last procedure. Good luck. 

 

Ya I thought the results with Dr. Wong were okay just needed a little density which is what I gone to get filled a little more. I was only thinking of getting maybe 800-1000 grafts more to fill the previous hairline. But I'm such an idiot for letting Dr. Suneet convince me to lower the hairline. Probably the worst decision of my life ever. Lost $8000, 1 year of sanity, and a good hairline. Anyways I also think harvesting from the new 'hairline' is the best option. I don't know if it will scar my forhead though where the extraction occurs. I will go to Dr. Wong to get a consulation. I'm not sure how good they are at doing FUE since they just started doing it recently. But I have no other option now because he's the closest one and doesn't require a flight and a stay in a hotel for me to do it. The most convenient option and least time consuming. Hopefully they are good at FUE as well and can harvest the hair without leaving big visible marks. 

8 minutes ago, matt3480 said:

The physiology of a HT has little to nothing to do with your current hair growing or even your overall health.

No different than someone who undergoes general surgery that is perfectly healthy and has no allergies and then has some sort of reaction to the anesthesia out of nowhere.

Wong has been regarded as one of the best.....he just isn't a doctor whose transplants don't grow.

Reading some of your old posts....it seems you used to wear a turban. I would have to think that have been an issue....meaning, did the traction from the turban cause lots of scar tissue underneath your scalp? Or did you start wearing a turban too quickly after your surgeries?

I dont know if there is scar tissue underneath or not. I cant see it. Dr. Wong would've told me if there was something wrong physiologically. I'm not the doctor. And i haven't worn a turban since 17 years old so that has nothing to do with the growth.

I didnt know there was physiology involved in hair transplant success. The rest of my hair grows just fine so i don't see wtf could be wrong with me. I'm perfectly healthy. Nothing wrong with me. 

16 hours ago, thappa said:

@ILikeMyHair

Any improvement on your transpalnt or is it the same state?

No. Still the same. I have to shave the new hairline to go back to looking like how it used to look before the transplant. Wasted $8000 to make my hairline worse and the hassle of shaving my hairline everyday. 

And people keep asking why I lowered the hairline. They just can't believe that this greedy fu**ing doctor convinced/pressured me to lower it and I didn't go into his office to lower the hairline just to fill it. Well I have the emails to prove it. I had only gone in to fill the hairline. This assh*** kept convicing me for 30 minutes to let him lower it. I told him Dr. Wong's result had poor yield and he said he's more experienced than Western doctors because he does way more transplants each day and has done thousands of transplants over the years compared to western doctors that only do 1-2 a day. He said he's an artist and wants to make me look handsome. Told me some fu**ed up rules about face symmetry and where the hairline should be. It was a pure con job. He charged me double what he charges his local patients per graft. Didn't give me a breakdown of how many grafts he placed in singles, doubles etc. When asked how many grafts he harvested, he says "I told you I put in 2600". I paid him for 2600 doesn't mean he actually got exactly 2600.

If I hadn't paid him $500 deposit to book the slot, I would've walked out of his office. Also I trusted him at the end because he was well reviewed on this site and I thought this site had a thorough vetting process before recommending surgeons. 

The empty zone on the left side still has zero growth and no new hair has grown for the past 2 months. The already sprouted hair are getting a bit thicker and longer. Some hair that actually grew are not getting long at all. They are stuck at 2 cm length. I don't know wtf kind of butcher job he did. This never happened with doctor wong. All the hair that sprouted grew normally with Dr. Wong. With Soni's transplant, 5% of hair are not getting longer than 1-2cm. He said he'll do a FUE to fill in that place free of charge. Well I'm not letting this asshole touch my head again. He has zero experience in FUE transplantation and actually argues against doing FUE transplants all the time. Has no regard for what my hair will progress in the future.

4 hours ago, txtransplant said:

Here is the deal as I can see it and a neutral party. Your hair looked perfectly good before you had this last HT in India. Not to sound mean, but I think you might have a bit of unrealistic image of what you are seeing in the mirror if you felt you needed more work after H&W got you a good hairline. It is just not rational when you will probably be a NW5-6 one day to blow most of what you had left on fixing up an already really decent hairline. Then to lower it well past what is even natural?  The new hairline is so low it goes beyond any ethical doctor should be doing in my opinion. I was not there in the consult room, but if he readily agreed to do that, or worse, suggested you go there with it. Well that's not right. On the bright side, you look fine with your hair styled. It is not the end of the world. But what was your thinking on moving it forward and blowing all your donor on the very front when you are fairly convinced you will be loosing a lot more? At this point if you don't scar at all, maybe they can harvest the new grafts and move them back farther into the hairline? You can't really ad another 2k to that already too low hairline. I mean I guess you could, but it will be asking for real trouble in a decade or so. 

Didn't you read my post? He pretty much made me lower it. I had only gone to him hoping to fill the hairline with maybe 1000 grafts. And i told him i don't want to lower the hairline because i want to save them for future. He told me i had enough grafts left for future and that he needs to lower the hairline to make me look handsome. I would've walked out of the clinic if I hadn't paid $500 in advance to reserve the spot. It's a long story but point is he greatly pressured me to lower my hairline despite my concerns. It took 20 minutes of him convincing me to let him lower it. I didn't even have the money for it and had to borrow the money because i had only gone in there with an estimate of doing 1000-1500 max grafts. At the end I thought he knows better than me since he's a doc and does this for a living so maybe i should listen to him. And because he had good reviews on this site and is recommended here so i had few reasons to doubt his integrity and credentials.  

6 minutes ago, thappa said:

Even for me they did not share any break down of singles, doubles etc. They said They have extracted 4200 grafts and which is what I paid for. I hardly believe they have implanted 4200. It does not look like but I may be wrong. I spoke with a guy who did the transplant next day of mine, he also said they did not share any breakdown to him. I guess they implant what ever they extract. I really feel sorry for you. If I knew this before I would not have chose Dr Soni. But he share very good results in this site. I am in 3.5 month mark not much of growth and we will see how my result turns out in 6 month and year mark. Did they offer  you to do PRP and FUE session for free? A refund?

Yes for free. It will be a cold day in hell before an HT doc will give a refund. At most they will try to give another HT for free.

7 minutes ago, thappa said:

He charged me 40 rupees per grafts. I did the transplant in July. 2 dollars for you

Yes I know. That is probably the reason why he convinced me so hard to do more grafts because he was making way more money from me per graft. It's 3x more what he charged you per graft. And I still don't know exactly how many grafts they actually planted. Never gave me a breakdown of singles, doubles, triples. Just told me they did 2600.  But for me the money is not the main concern because I can always make it back, but the grafts are irreplaceable. That's most frustrating. 

8.5 month result. They said more growth will come in coming months. Some are slow growers etc etc. And they said, they will give me PRP sessions which will boost growth. My hair quality is thin and that's why it doesn't look good and once it thickens then it will have more coverage. Also offered to give me an FUE session so to fill up the big empty zone in the left side with zero growth. 

I don't really want to do FUE with them because they don't specialize in it and Dr. Suneet Soni is actually very opposed to it. He hails FUT as a better method and if he couldn't even deliver good results in something he's expert in, then I'm not going to do FUE with them and waste more grafts. 

I agreed to PRP sessions, but don't have any hope in them. I didn't see much convincing evidence about them. 

At this point I've just shaved the new feeble 'hairline' he created and stick to the old hairline which is a bit fuller now and looks better that way. Which is what I had gone to them for in the first place. 

This makes me sooo mad. 

8 hours ago, Gasthoerer said:

Hope you had some improvement, but to be honest: How can a clinic lower your hairline after your experience with H&W? This is not acceptable in my opinion. High risk, no reward kind of thing.

Because they want to make more money obviously. I had actually gone in only to refill the existing hairline and with an initial estimate of 1200-1500 grafts because I wanted to save the rest for future use because I knew I would need them in future. It's a long story, but basically when I met the doctor, he convinced me hard for 20 min to let him lower the hairline to make a more appealing hairline to make me look handsome. And told me I need 2600 grafts. Charged me $2/graft. I told him I don't want to lower the hairline because a) I want to save them for future and b) I don't have the money for 2600 grafts. So he told me I have plenty of grafts left for future. He can still do another 2500 graft extraction through strip again. Probably a lie. I have already extracted 5000 grafts at this point. So it's doubtful he can do 2500 grafts through strip again. I can already feel my tight scalp in the back and the scar is a little wider than before. Before I could get away with #3 cut and now I have to do #5.  And he asked me "Can't you borrow money from your relatives here? People come from US and spend thousands of dollars with us. I mean your flight itself must have cost $1500. " I knew he was being greedy, but I just went along because I thought at least he will give me a good hairline because of all the positive reviews on this site and maybe he knows better than me about transplants and donor grafts and what can be achieved. 

Here are my pics with Dr. Wong. My first hair transplant. 1550 grafts.

First 3 pics are before any transplant. That's all the area I had to cover. 

Next 3 pics are hair transplant from Dr. Wong Day 1.

Next 5 pics are 6 month results from Dr. Wong HT.

Last 3 are the 1 year results from Dr. Wong. There wasn't good growth in the right side (the side where most of the grafts were placed). So they did 2 touch ups of total 670 grafts

OK I think the pics above might have given a much worse impression of the hairline than it is. Yes it is not dense at all, but I didn't lose the previous hairline of Dr.Wong. Those hair are still there as far as I can tell. Dr. Suneet lowered the hairline so much that it looks like I've lost hair where I had before. But I don't think that's the case. The shock loss hair have come back. There is definitely more hair than before and people have said it looks better than before. I just have to wear my hair long and cover the front from the hair at the back and it looks normal. Anyways I'm still extremely unhappy with this result. I'm posting some more pics from today. 6 months 1 week today. Also I think there may be a little more growth in the coming months, but not much. Even with Dr. Wong the hair grew very slow and looked pretty bad at 6 months. And I am not taking finestride because I had sides from it and because my hairloss wasn't from male pattern baldness, it was traction alopecia from wearing a turban and tying my hair tightly. I took 5% rogaine liquid as recommended by Dr. Suneet for the first 4 months, but I started getting baggy eyes and dark circles from it so I stopped doing that. I'm going to start taking 2% rogaine foam. Apparently that has less sides. Anyways these are pics from today and tried to make it look like the first 3 pics for good comparison. 

Dr. Suneet Soni India 2600 grafts all in the frontal zone. Recommended on this site. That's why I went to him. He only does FUT and is apparently a master at this technique and uses latest technology as mentioned on this site. What's pissing me off is at least the grafts planted that took hold by day 12 should grow the f*** back. Where did they go? Can they just die? They look healthy at day 12. WTF is going on? 

I also had 3 previous surgeries on the hairline with Dr. Wong from Vancouver. The first one was 1550 grafts. The results were not good. So they did a 2nd touchup for 450 grafts. That also wasn't great. So they did a 3rd touchup for 230 grafts. And the first 3 pics are what the results looked like from Dr. Wong. The sad thing is my hairloss wasn't even that advanced. At most NW3 and only at the hairline.

I have spent total of 4900 grafts just to fix a NW3 and these are the results I have now. I probably only have 2500 grafts left now to fix this shit. And I will be totally screwed when my hairloss advances if i use everything on the hairline. I'm only 29 so I'm bound to lose hair because my dad is at NW5-6 and he started losing mostly at age 35. In other words I'm completely fu**ed. Wasted fu**ing 7 years of my life trying to fix this shitty hairline instead of enjoying my youth. 

I would've thought I'm the only unlucky bastard if I didn't keep in touch with another person who also had surgery the same day as me and his results are similar to mine. 

The first 3 pics are hair before transplant. The next 2 are day of transplant. The next 5 are 12 days post transplant before the transplanted hair had shed. The last 5 pics are 6 month results. What do you guys think? 

It's been 6 months now. There doesn't seem  to be any improvement in the last 3 weeks. No new hair growth. Only  hair got longer that's all. The empty zone is still empty. 

The first 5 pics are 6 month results. 

Also attaching pics of my hair at day 12 before the transplanted hair had shed. This is what the result should have looked like. Don't know where did all these grafts go? Why are they not growing? Can they die after shedding? They seemed to take hold properly up till 3 weeks, then they shed then I expected them to grow back at least 80% by now. Only 40-50% has grown back and there doesn't seem to be any sign of new growth. Pics 6-10 are 12 day pics.

These are 5 month 1 week pics. There seems to be about 40% of hair growth at this point. However, I cannot see any new hair growing. So I don't think there will be much new hair growth. Only the hair that exists will get stronger giving a bit more thickness. There is one spot where there was complete lack of growth. See pic 4 (circled blue). Only a few hair grew there except these hair do not get longer than 1cm. Not sure what went wrong with this area. This never happened to me before. There are also some hair maybe 2-5% which are not getting longer and only grow upto 1cm. They have been at this length for >2 months. However, my hair looks better than before and looks more fuller. Hopefully there will be new hair growth, but I am not expecting much judging from previous experience. 

Is my result normal for 4 months or is it lagging?

4 month 1 week Results. 

The right side seems to be growing well, but the left side has a pretty wide hole which is not filling up and also there are some small hair that grew there, but they are not getting longer at all and they have stayed at that length for 3 weeks now. The rest of the hair are getting longer. See the circled zone. Not only did the hair not grow there, but the few that did are not getting longer. Not sure how to help them grow. Any ideas? 

The shock loss hair has come back about 80%. There are some areas that have filled more than others. 

The transplanted hair seems to take longer than shock loss hair to sprout. There are some zones like the yellow circled zone which didn't grow any hair at all for some reason. The right side filled up much nicer than the left side(yellow zone.) Also the 4-5 hair that did sprout in the yellow zone seem to grow at a slower pace than the other hair. 

1month 1 week. Don't know wtf happened to cause this kind of shock loss. He probably closed the scar too tight.

Anyways does scar seem to be healing normally?

1 month pics. Hair has stopped shedding now from shock, but there isn't much more left to shed. .

Scar seems to be healing fine from the pics, but I feel mild pain in the scar once in a while randomly.