Slaps

Slaps - Did she notice simply because you have more hair now or because she saw "Pluggyness?

Definately the plugginess and HT contrast, I can see it myself. Tbh I kind of expected people I know to notice somethings different, its when the eyes of perfect strangers keep darting up, thats when you know somethings not right.

That's what I thought, I planned to get the temple point plugs removed, some kind of scar repair and perhaps a few FU's to soften the minigrafts at the temples, what I got was an 1800 graft strip, totally not what i'd originally planned for.

I would'nt volunteer the fact i've had a HT but whenever i've been asked if i've had plugs, i've been honest and said yes. This honesty backfired recently however, when a female colleague who I'd thought of as a friend not asked, but told me 'you've had hair plugs' when I sheepishly admitted that I had, she screeched, reeeaaalllyy! and walk off sniggering. That hurt, and i've not spoken to her since.

My biggest problem is the temple points, Norton put minigrafts in them! I wanted these cored out, instead they were dense packed, apparently they could'nt be removed, they now look terrible and impossible to disguise.

i actually did mean slaps...so sorry about that..i really appreciate the fact that you are trying to warn people and i defintely dont see you as a mad person or something...not that you care about it any way...i am sure you have had a tough time dealing with Norton work and i can totally emphatise with you....However, lets say you would have not gone to Norton at all and used your second surgeon right away, how would your experience been then and what is it about your second surgery that you dont like..

Hi Dan, many of the grafts placed during the 2nd HT failed to grow, I dont know why for sure, possibly because of scar tissue from Norton? consequently all I see are scars and plugs and no real improvement. Secondly the ht doesnt match the native hair, much thicker much darker, stands out and screams fake, Thirdly, the scar is a problem, visible when hair is wet and anything less than a grade 5 clipper, the rest of my hair is thinning so looks better shorter, i cant do this because the scar will show and I hate the mullet look.

I dont know how I would have looked without the first HT, because its all I can see, I would say my second HT was a failure but unfortunately I cant blame the clinic because they will say say its because the first one was a screw up. Im angry because I was told it was an easy repair and would look perfect, i was also told that the old plugs could'nt be removed because they would shear off, which I now believe is not true. Had I been warned that the repair could fail because of scar tissue, I definately would'nt have risked it.

No one deserves to make 6k in a day, I dont care how long they were in school for. My repair work has landed me in debt that I can handle, but its a struggle.

$6k in a day? I suspect the top clinics make 3 times that mate..

Hi surgery

 

I am curious to know how many surgeries you have done and who were your surgeons. I know you havent had a good experience and it is ok if you dont want to share..but i would appreciate your feedback in detail as it would help me make an informative decision

Dan,

I presume you mean me, Slaps? if not apologies if so;-

2, 1 poorly performed, 1 correctly performed, neither satisfactory to me. The first was the Norton clinic who I name because they I believe they are dangerous, the second I won't name because presently I suspect they perform HTs correctly according to industry standards so I see no purpose in warning properly informed people from using them. Having said this, I am currently anti HT so share my personal experience to provide research material for those looking into HTs. Like I've said before, Its not important to me that im perceived mad, bitter, negative or a liar. Im just a faceless cyber entity calling itself slaps. People are free to think what they like of me

my wife was in uni for 7 years earning her PHD. You cant tell me that an HT doc is doing the same amount of work in one day or even one week, as my wife is doing in six months.

Of course not sparky, HTs are grotesquely expensive imo, its been my experience that most of work is performed by techs earning probably $20-$30 per hour. In my case not a single graft was transplanted by the surgeon, not one. As far as im concerned since the techs performed the actions of preparing the grafts then transplanting them, technically, they did my HT. The surgeon spent no more then 1hr making incisions, about 15 minutes removing the strip and 1 minute stapling the wound. A further 45 minutes was spent waiting for the anaesthetic to effect.

Has anyone seen a result from this machine? i saw a youtube vid of it and it looked impressive, providing it does'nt ruin the grafts I dont see how it would be any less effective than regular FUE, the incisions are still made by a hand. Im led to believe the incisions are the key to a successful HT.

I've found a good way of making my hair appear and feel much thicker, i get some hair wax, eg dax, massage it liberally into my hair, at this point it looks awful but then i sprinkle talc on to the wax coated hair rub it in and then comb it through, to be honest it does make my hair looks a little matty and very slightly grey but very natural and effective. Plus its extremely cheap, honestly, i've tried every product on the market and this has worked best for me. Word of warning though, the wax is very difficult to wash out, you will need a vegetable oil shampoo to shift it.

Thanks Dan, I dont mind at all being perceived as bitter and twisted, its a condition I acquired during my HT journey, if those considering a HT happen to read my comments and contemplate the risk that they may wind up bitter and twisted then they serve as valuable research material.:cool:

Im afraid im not optimistic about FUE in scar tissue, i dont tend to feel the grafts take well or grow naturally, in my case the recipient area is a mass of thick lumpy scar tissue which looks as bad shaved as it does with HT pubes growing from it, I know I can never look normal again.

I get the impression Alan Feller is angry with John Malloy, thats too bad, he was happy to take Johns money and in doing so, the risk that John would be dissappointed and vocal about it.

... I would like this explained. I have heard it is possible, but unlikely. Now it is expected? Why would anyone have a second procedure if a streched scar is expected?

Because HT is a prison, once you've had one procedure your locked in, as you keep losing hair you will need more procedures. You've no choice unless you want to look a freak.

Hi John, thanks for letting us see what your HT really looks like, yes I can see why your unhappy, its quite amazing how the photo taken by the clinic makes your hair look so much better then it does in your photos.

Good luck thomas61. You gonna look like a clown in a couple of years.

Unfortunately I strongly suspect most of us HT guys will look comical sooner or later, I dont see how a smiley face tattoo at the back of you head looks any worse than a white smiley face strip scar.

Yeah, the scar is a big problem for me too, if I grow my hair longer I don't think its visible but I can feel it, it still throbs and it feels thick and raised to the touch. Like Sparky said It's a constant reminder of the dreadful thing that happened to us. (I wont call it a mistake because I don't consider it my mistake) Best thing we can do is share our experiences to help other guys make better informed decisions.

I'd be very wary of a miniaturization test performed at a HT clinic..

$15000!!!

You can understand why clinics promote strip, firstly it's very easy money for the Dr, secondly, it keeps techs in work.

Heres the thing, either FUE works or it does'nt.. if it does'nt nobody should perform it, if it does nobody should advocate strip, 'tricophytic' (b/s) or otherwise. Having a giant smiley face on the back of your head is not a good look.

I can see why clinics prefer staples, zero effort, far less time thus more profit etc. But to what extent do staples benefit the patient? I had these abominations in the back of my head for 10 days and it was sheer hell, the resultant scar is nothing to write home about.

Surely sutures are better for the patients comfort?

Yes, Dr Canon, Dr Olympus and Dr Pentax have produced some great results!

Guys, photos are not to be trusted! looking at my pre op photos, I appear to have thick hair, in fact its very thin and see through irl, I would strongly recommend anyone impressed by photos of a HT to try and see what several look like in the flesh, im reasonably confident they will not be so impressed. IMO The results are marginal at best and horrific at worst.

If hairloss depresses you, a bad HT will leave you suicidal. Please, if you are thinking of a HT, pinch yourself if that doesnt wake you up, punch yourself! you're losing hair? why on Earth would you think that you won't lose more? of course you will!! IMO There is no happy ending to a HT, sooner or later you will look like a freak.

I believe that the majority of HT victims will either end up under a wig or under 6 feet of Earth.. many guys have committed suicide.

A simple refund isnt really enough in the case of complete failure. What about compensation for the loss of donor grafts etc?

Many of these HT folk routinely lie, use camera trickery and fraudulent claims to get as lure as many fish as possible. Often, they will perform HTs on guys who are clearly unsuitable or very young, condemning them to lifelong regret, humiliation and financial hardship. Naturally, they wont refund money back unless made to, through the courts.

I suffered bad nerve damage at the hands of another Norton butcher, Kevin Hartley, he was still using a multibladed knife in late 2005. My scalp is still numb and throbs 4 years later. I don't think this mofo 'attempts' HTs anymore, which is a good thing.

Well Lisa, like I say I hope it works out well, you and Felix are both recent HT patients and its far too early to judge the results. The HG have a terrible reputation and been responsible for horrific disfigurements some of which i've seen. I only hope they've started to take patient welfare seriously. The fact they are still willing to perform HTs on young lads like Felix is of great concern to me. Tarquin Blandford is well known

Originally posted by Maxxy:

 

DHT affects women also.

 

Does it? i thought it was produced in testicles. Surely nothing like the extent it affects men.