johnnie69

Originally posted by Spirall08:

i'm about to start a cycle of supps... mainly test boosters (not illegal roids)... it was recommended to me by someone that I get on either propecia or rogaine while on the cycle, then stop it once i'm done. Being a long-time member of this forum, I know that's completely wrong, as rogaine/propecia is not a temporary commitment.

 

So my quest is what else can I use temp while on this cycle?? Is nizoral/revita shampoo something I can jump on for a few months then discontinue??

 

 

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25 yrs old... First HT 6/9/06

It all depends on what type of "supplements" you are gonna use, and their systemic/endocrine influence....

Someone suggesting rogaine to offset systemic influence is not very educated, as they work in seperate , basically opposite, ways....

Again, what are you cycling..? You talking of a natural test booster like DIM (boosts test/lowers estrogen) or an injectible like test cypionate used as both a "steroid' and in TRT, depending on the dose and hormonal levels of the individual....

You got a reason to take a test booster, ie symtoms of low test (fatigue, depression etc) that are specifically liked to test levels that have been validated thru a fasting blood panel...?

Or do you just wanna get big...?

Your friend was most likely referring to aromotase and 5ar and deduced that propecia would be the route....HCG is a far safer/more effective way to offset the downside of testosterone....

Originally posted by Bill:

Since the science of creatine has nothing to do with DHT, you are safe .

 

Just stay away from steroids...

 

Whereas steroids in itself won't necessarily cause hair loss, it can certainly expedite it for those who are genetically predisposed to Androgenetic Alopecia (MPB).

 

Bill

So, you re saying that DHT is the sole cause of hairloss, and that because creatine doesnt effect DHT levels, no hairloss can occur..?

What kinda 'roids "dont cause hairloss in itself..?" All of them..? Do initial/post (pre/post cycle) levels of Test (total and free) as well as E2 have any influence in loss..? What if one takes an AI (aromatase inhibitor)....?

What about IGF-1 levels..?

What is the function of steroid use that accelerates loss...?

If you wanna do it right, go have all your hormone levels checked....fill out a "symptom" questionnaire, and know what symptoms mean what....then, after seeing the test results and combining them w/the symptoms, have levels that are out of balance, or otherwise low and causing adverse conditions, bioidentically replaced....

I recently did a saliva panel and found that I was low in progesterone of all things....thought that was a womans hormone, but I was incorrect....heres the good news, read this.....

http://www.dcnutrition.com/news/Detail.CFM?RecordNumber=589

now , what if I would have just blindly said, ok, it must be a dht problem, and blocked it w/finasteride....?

Thats why I have always said that EVERYONE should be tested before you take fin, and monitored throughout....

and that fin isnt the answer in every situation...if it was, why are we all still here, getting hairtransplants and searching for the best maintenence program?

how bout .25 mg daily? Many reports of it bieng just as effective...

Originally posted by John_in_NC:

Saline, Graftcyte, Cortisone, Aloe Vera. Is this all I would need for post HT healing?

 

Is all saline created equal? I saw at Rite Aid a sterile "Saline Solution" to rinse contact lenses. It contains sodium chloride, boric acid and sodium borate. Would this be it? Also, does anyone know what Dr Feller provides for post-op to patients?

 

Essentially, what do I need to buy to have ready for post surgery. Does he give saline, graftcyte or anything to put on top? Getting rid of the scabs and redness are the primary goals in healing.

 

thanks,

Id get the Graphcyte kit from the doc, then when that runs out, switch to saline....goto pharmacy and ask for saline for wound hydration...comes in a big clear bottle (at least mine did),

Id also have on hand some Emu oil, well lots of emu oil, some Fruit of the Earth aloe vera...ScarZone or mederma (whatever you choose, I used Scarzone)....

I wouldnt worry bout Cort, you can do w/out that one....

Good Luck...

dosage is fine....

READ, and then read some more...

Originally posted by tkerr22:

Johnnie,

 

did scarzone work as good on the scar as maderma? and what do u use the emu oil for and how?

I liked it (scarzone) better, as it helped w/ the itch...

the emu is a dermal strenghtening/thickening oil, and also serves, i forget the technical term, but it increases absorption, and acts as a barrier....Great stuff, IMO, went thru lots of bottles so far (4 mos post op)....

i read below that u got it in your hair when applying...i did that too, but I wear a hat all the time...id try and use one hand to find the scar line and lift the hair, and the other to apply....

i tried both mederma and scarzone....i like scarzone better, its cheaper, helps control ther itch and has better ingredients....

i also used emu oil and highly recommend it....

as for the shock loss, u can try minox, and your hairs shouldnt become dose dependent since they are in the donor "safe" zone...

spammer

whats up worried, i had my second on 4.5.6, so i'm right with ya..the waiting sux...couple of more months and then the fun starts....

SPAM

Originally posted by Lon:

. Most say its not so much of an issue of using needle or blades, but the skills used to use them..

who are these "most" that you refer to?

order some emu oil and apply it to the receipternt area, and then add some fruit of the earth aloe vera on top...best done in the pm as an overnight application....

whatever you choose to use on your scar, i assume u had strip, put emu on top to add absorption...also, helps w/the itch....i used scar zone and recommend it..

good luck

Originally posted by Lon:

There is also a Dr in California named Richard Ochs that will do $2 a grafts with 10% off for travel. He has been doing it for many years and uses blades not needles.

what do u mean, he uses blades not needles? was your ht done w/needles?

are you itchy also?

I disagree....I use spectral dnc 2x daily, takes me about 4 minutes total, goes on clean, smells good, and doesnt effect my hair cosmetically.....2% nizoral is always an option...

you can also try Borage oil, Krill oil, etc as an internal alternative to finasteride.

And I dont have to risk the sides of Propecia that everyone here seems so willing to do. And also, Fin doesnt work for a lot of people and for some, the sides are permanent.

I like to think of it this way....break a leg....bad pain....get morphine...pain goes away....100% of the time.....finasteride doesnt work like that, not by a long shot.

so now, ill hear "sides only happen to 2% of people", and "if u wannna keep your hair, you have to use propecia"....I think its utter BS.

Granted, for some it works great.

Here is the kind of testing id like to see, instead of the lousy merck studies....

Get your test and placebo group and test them before the trial...saliva and blood....estradiol, progesterone, testosterone, DHEAS, Cortisol-morn,noon,evening,night....and monitor them throughout, cross referencing all the data (gains, hair counts ,minaturazation, side effects, lack of sides, mental/physical etc) to find out a possible way to prescreen patients, whether or not the drug will be effective, hormonal effects etc....

everyone seems to forget that the effect on hair from this drug is a side effect that some experienced when treating prostate ailments....

and to quote a friend of mine, "for the 2% (lol) that get the sides, its 100% to them"

heard that the 12.5 was discontinued.....indefinately...

Why dont you try a concealer....toppik, or dermmatch....do a search on this site...theres a few threads specifically related.....

gotta disagree w/ya there mud.....your case and his arent really similar, and from the pics, looks like he needs to concentrate on the frontal 1/3 only....2500-3000 is plenty, IMO...

Originally posted by dhuge67:

Dr. Ron Shapiro is held in high regards on these forums...I'm pretty positive that his word is stronger than anyone else's in terms of how to proceed with your operation.

Exactly..

no, didnt see any lost graphs in that pic.

thats why i switched to scar zone...stops the itch....

emu works great also...personally, I think it should be recommended/required post-op, but thats just my opinion. Lots of guys use vit e oil, emu is way superior...

Dr Ron Shapiro's nurse told me specifically in my post-op instructions to avoid neosporin on the donor, I cant remember why though...

im just tellin what worked for me....thats all.

heard some bad things about using neosporin....cant remember the reason not to use it, but....

try scarzone....its much better....and emu on top of it to add absorption...

Originally posted by Dr Zorba:

Here is a pic from the back 5 days post-op.

 

Dr. Zorba

Im no expert on calculating available donor, but if its true that you only have 3000 available graphs (i seriously doubt it), with your advanced balding, you arent a ht canidate, IMO...

1200 is not gonna do much of anything and your graphs dont appear to be dense packed....never heard of your doc.....

Definatly do some more research and consult some top docs......the difference is night and day...

I'm not a doc, but I know that retin a is a strong topical....sometimes peeling skin layers after continued use and causing irritation...I personally would never use it, especially in the healing stage...

Graphcyte for the first 2 weeks, then scarzone/mederma/emu oil....