fabio3

Thanks to all for the feed back, I'm currently in Croatia visting family so I havent had the time to get on to the net till now... In relation to ProseMD's post I guess that since I never had a transplant, the lazers that were used on me were low level, at least they say so, and if there is not enough research on the effects of this then should they really be using them on the genral public? Look at me for example, I had heaps of Hair. they advertise it to be a great preventitve to hair loss, they also told me there were no side effects and the worst that could happen is that I may experince is little or no regrowth. Which was perfect for me at least if I did this then I tried, all at the cost of a mere $3800.00? ProseMD you have a very broad and comprehensive knowledge about lazers, so I have a question for you... I lost my hair about 4 to 5 months ago from lazer therapy from advanced hair in Sydney, is it shock loss? will it grow back? there are no signs of any new hair at all, my scalp is still tender and saw in spots and the remaning hair is growing but its not strong and healthy like it use to be... Well so far my doctor can't help me the hair specialist's I've been to have very little knowledge about them and dont advise to use them either but since I have used it and this is the result that no one seems to know about what should I do? can you help me?... Thanks ProsMD and everyone else who responded... Fabio3

Sorry I know that my spelling and my grammer is not the best how ever that's pretty bad I meant to say in the first paragraph "How can some one who has pleanty of hair one day go under a lazer the next, and loose it?" Forgive me I'm tired and pretty stressed at the moment... thanks

I would just like to know if any one has any real knowledge bout lazers? I think that the lazers used on me may have destroyed the tiny blood vessels in my scalp... If anyone has read my post mystery then you'll know what I'm talking about, how else can some one who had pleanty of hair one day go under a lazer about loose it the next? Every thing I read about the lazers is sayin that not all the effects of them are known and why they work diffrently on some as to others? I mean really, this is very frustrating for me. I'm looking for answers but I just seem to keep going round in circles... I would really appreciate some good advice, this whole experience has been devistating to me, I'm not asking for phsycatric help just answers, why? thanks in advanced... Fabio

I would just like to know if any one has any real knowledge bout lazers? I think that the lazers used on me may have destroyed the tiny blood vessels in my scalp... If anyone has read my post mystery then you'll know what I'm talking about, how else can some one who had pleanty of hair one day go under a lazer about loose it the next? Every thing I read about the lazers is sayin that not all the effects of them are known and why they work diffrently on some as to others? I mean really, this is very frustrating for me. I'm looking for answers but I just seem to keep going round in circles... I would really appreciate some good advice, this whole experience has been devistating to me, I'm not asking for phsycatric help just answers, why? thanks in advanced... Fabio

Thanks for the help homer, I'll be checking out the post you told me about with the steriods thing and I'll also be looking at the doctor thing you metioned... I'll keep you posted with the progress and any new information that I can gather, hope that I may have been of help for you on this matter. All the best for you too homer, I hope everything works out for you, I'll still say though be carefull of advanced what ever you do. Personally I'd stay away from them. Fabio

Homer I dont mean to sound rude but did you really read the last reply? I did mention that I went to a hair specialist (Hair transplant specialist) and he also gave me proscar which I'am and have been taking. I dont think I mentioned that I'm on monoxidil, how ever I'am. As for the lazer causing the dht increase, well what do you think the lazer does? it increases blood flow to the scalp, bringing with it the high content of testosterone presant in my blood, then getting into the subacatious gland and producing dht. Idealy had I of not been on the testosterone or if I had some knid of dht inhbitor, the lazer may have been of benifit, by increasing the amount of hair building material oxygen etc that the hair needs hair needs to grow. I was taking the testosterone booster cause I'm a bit of a gym junkie and I want to put on more mass. As I said before I would never have taken it if they said that it would not be suitable. I did speak to my doctor about it and even though my results were higher, as in my previous post, the doctor was not concerned that, that was any reason to be causing my hair loss. As for the advanced hair web site, I'm not to certian about the web site for Scotland but the Australian one is just full of pretty pictures and no real information about anything. If any thing now I'm more disgusted in myself for beeing sucked into it. In answer to your other question, they advertise that prevention is the best method to prevent you from future loss and in most cases all though life prevention is the best solution, which is why I went there. They said that I had male pattern baldness and later as previously mentioned I went to a hair transplant doctor who said that I didn't... Money, money, money. I probably should e-mail one of the doctors on the site as that's a pretty good idea. I was hoping that they may want to contact me after reading the post? Anyway. My advice for you and anybody else is to stay away from advanced hair, as it's one of the biggest money making schems on the planet. Putting cow dung on your head would give you a better remady rather than going to them. As since I have not heard from them form the last time I was there, cause as long as they have your money they dont care what happens. Thats the reason they make you pay up front, so once you realsie your in a booby trap it's too late. Thanks homer hope that fixes things up for you, not for me though.

Thanks for the feed back homer. this is Just to enlighten you a little more on what actually happened with me. I actually had no knowledge what so ever on hair loss and the effects of increased testosterone on hair loss. I was sucked in to Advanced with their uncomprehensive commercials, yes stupid I know and vey unlike me but they preyed on me the innocent young victim. I was asked if if was on steroids when I went to advanced, which I wasn't how ever I asked them if I would be able to take prostanol (not a steroid) but increases testosterone. They said that it would be fine, I had not of even purchased this stuff untill I asked them cause if they said that I couldn't take it, then I wouldn't have brought it. I had taken this stuff before but experienced not hair loss other than normal, before I said I wasn't even loosing one hair, yes that may be what you call slight exagguration but what I mean by that was if I was loosing the normal amount I wouldn't even know it. After being told that I could take it and it wouldn't effect anything then I purchased it. I started taking it after a few lazer sessions and for about only 4 to 5 days went in for another lazer and the next morning it was the beggining of the end for my hair. Clumps and clumps of it form the top, back and sides unlike alopcia it came out evenly all over. Their negligence caused me to be in this situation now and I will be taking action against them. I stopped everything after that including the lazer, after that I read up as much as possible on the subject and came to the coclusion that, with the increased testosterone being drwan to the scalp by the lazer caused the excessive amount of dht to be presant and make my hair fall out in such way. I have since been to see a great specialist Dr. Richard Shiell, who after examining me agreed that this is what was the cause of my immediate loss and also has no reason to belive that I should have male pattern baldness, I was also given a script for proscar one quater tab. Well thanks to Advanced hair for F##King up my hair and my life things have not been easy for me and I only pray that my hair is going to grow again, the hair has definatly slowed down but it is still faliing out at a much greater rate than ever before. I have only been on the proscar for about three weeks now so hopefully it will get better, I'm also taking a liqud form of silica to help my hair. I hope that this has cleared things up a little more if not then just let me know what your unsure of and I'll gladlly explain, Thanks again...

Thanks for the information Fizzlefest. I appreciate it I just hope that I dont have to keep taking the drugs that I'm on now for ever... I dont even know if its even working yet or if it will at all? I just want to fix what once was just like every one else, only the worst thing is it wasn't broken in the first place. I try to prevent this from happening by seeing some one and now I'm in this situation. Ha, forget fixing hair just give me a time machine and I'll be right, by the sounds of it thats far more realistic.

Well even if the labido thing sorts it's self out the funny thing is, well maybe not so funny thing is that my hair is falling not only from the top but the back and sides too, evenly? If you read my post ( Mystery ) it really is, cause I honestly think this my only solution? ht wont solve any of my problems cause I'm loosing hair evenly accross my head, if they started transplating hairs then I'd have uneven bald patches? does any one have some idea for me here I'm really cring out for help... Does any one know if you can transplat hair from another person to your own scalp? that may sound silly but I haven't read all that much on ht and my brother has heaps of hair and is willing to donate...? Or is that RU' stuff the go for me, sounds really good but, bit risky too? It's bad enough without wanting to make it any worse... I know that every ones got their problems but I could really use a hand here guys... Thanks.

Are you saying that you are getting more erections??? I stsarted taking proscar one quater tab daily about two weeks ago and I can really see I have erction problems a) I'm not getting an erection, b) When I have got one my count is less than half. Thats totally F##ked I was expexting it but not this bad and I still havent seen any diffrence in the amount of hair I'm loosing? Am I doomed? I had so much hair before and I was always in with the ladies and now I feel like it's all slippen away from me...

I dont know of any futher developments with the gene therapy but I would like to know if there is a good site to check out on this and if possible how far away is this kind of treatment from being avaliable? It really sounds fantastic and even if it's not avaliable as yet it makes me feel better to know that these types of developments are evolving... Thanks Fabio.

Thanks for the feedback, any is appreciated. Regarding the testosterone level measurements, I'd say it would be like comparing miles to kilometers. They were definatly not made up, the range is actually (8.4 - 28.7) and mine was 31.0 (nmol/l) which I think is the measurement they've used. The tests were conducted by; The Pathology Co Pty Ltd A.P.A. NATA/RCPA Registered Laboratory Catorgry GX 200 THE BOULEVARDE FAIRFIELD HEIGHTS, NSW 2165 AUSTRALIA PH +61 2 9757 4663 FAX +61 2 9809 2741 Also I dont know if I came accross the wrong way or not but no I haven't had any hair replacement or surgery. I'm just really confused, I went to a naturopath/homeopath to see if that can be of any help to me, as well as using a form of accupuncture that that uses magnetic feilds. Neither of these forms of medication are proven but nor are they ruled out either, they just like baldness have not not been completly understood yet. So as long as they have no direct effect in they way I lost my hair from Advanced, then I'm willing to try it. Not beeing mistaken for getting sucked into scams, like gone today hair tommorow rubbish. Anyhow if anyone has any more insight or information on this please forward it on Thanks...

About two months ago I went to Advanced Hair Studio in Sydney, Advanced Hair is a Melborne based company with national and international studios, The Australian Institute of Hair Replacement is basically Advanced Hair, they have their own law firm in Meblorne. They have a hair replacement and a lazer therapy program which incorperates Seranoa produts, thickener, tablets and shampoo as well as Minoxidil 5% in with their six month hair fitness program. I went to them with very little knowledge of hair loss thinking that I could prevent anything from happening in the future and if it did'nt work at least I tried, I figured that I couldn't get any worse than what I have now. I was wrong... When I first started there the consultant asked me if I was on any steroids, which I was'nt but I asked him that if once I start the program if it was safe to take Prostanol which is not a steroid but it's like a human type steroid. Prostanol is extract from the fenugreek plant, a herbal drug which really does increase your testosterone. Anyway the consultant said I could and it wouldn't be a problem, well I started to take the prostanol after about my fourth lazer session. Before I went to Advanced Hair I was'nt even losing one hair, let alone the 150 were suppose to lose. The day after my next lazer session, after taking about four days worth of Prostanol, all my hair just started comming out and I'm not talking about a little, it's been a month since that day and I have lost half my hair! I kept it incase I go to court but there is more hair in that collection than there is on my head! I had blood tests done and normal testosterone ranges form about 8 to 27 I think but mine was like 31.7, my cortizol levels were normal and no anti nuclear anti bodies were detected which gave my doctor no reason to be concerned that any of that was causing my hair loss. My theary is that the increased blood flow to the scalp form the lazer brought with it all the extra testosterone and not enough DHT inhibitor was used to prevent the testosterone form getting into the subacacious glands. Well thats what I think it is, I dont know if thats right thats why I'm asking for help? I spent $3,800.00 to loose my hair? I really dont understand and when I told them what had happened they said stop using everything and when it stops falling out then start with using one product at a time and we'll figure it out form there. I asked them, what if it doesn't stop falling out? They repied that if thats the case then your just a freak of nature. How comforting and professional of them... I started using the minoxidil and a the seranoa products from them once again and have been for a little while now but it's made no differance. I went back again to Advanced and they said that it was a good thing I was loosing my hair, all the bad hair falls out so the good hair can grow through, how smart of them. I think that they are negligent and that they are liable for what they have done to me. I'll be seeing a hair surgon on Wensday next week and I hope he can enlighten me. If anyone knows anything about any simmilar cases and there outcomes or has a solution for me please help me.kezicsydney@yahoo.com

About two months ago I went to Advanced Hair Studio in Sydney, Advanced Hair is a Melborne based company with national and international studios, The Australian Institute of Hair Replacement is basically Advanced Hair, they have their own law firm in Meblorne. They have a hair replacement and a lazer therapy program which incorperates Seranoa produts, thickener, tablets and shampoo as well as Minoxidil 5% in with their six month hair fitness program. I went to them with very little knowledge of hair loss thinking that I could prevent anything from happening in the future and if it did'nt work at least I tried, I figured that I couldn't get any worse than what I have now. I was wrong... When I first started there the consultant asked me if I was on any steroids, which I was'nt but I asked him that if once I start the program if it was safe to take Prostanol which is not a steroid but it's like a human type steroid. Prostanol is extract from the fenugreek plant, a herbal drug which really does increase your testosterone. Anyway the consultant said I could and it wouldn't be a problem, well I started to take the prostanol after about my fourth lazer session. Before I went to Advanced Hair I was'nt even losing one hair, let alone the 150 were suppose to lose. The day after my next lazer session, after taking about four days worth of Prostanol, all my hair just started comming out and I'm not talking about a little, it's been a month since that day and I have lost half my hair! I kept it incase I go to court but there is more hair in that collection than there is on my head! I had blood tests done and normal testosterone ranges form about 8 to 27 I think but mine was like 31.7, my cortizol levels were normal and no anti nuclear anti bodies were detected which gave my doctor no reason to be concerned that any of that was causing my hair loss. My theary is that the increased blood flow to the scalp form the lazer brought with it all the extra testosterone and not enough DHT inhibitor was used to prevent the testosterone form getting into the subacacious glands. Well thats what I think it is, I dont know if thats right thats why I'm asking for help? I spent $3,800.00 to loose my hair? I really dont understand and when I told them what had happened they said stop using everything and when it stops falling out then start with using one product at a time and we'll figure it out form there. I asked them, what if it doesn't stop falling out? They repied that if thats the case then your just a freak of nature. How comforting and professional of them... I started using the minoxidil and a the seranoa products from them once again and have been for a little while now but it's made no differance. I went back again to Advanced and they said that it was a good thing I was loosing my hair, all the bad hair falls out so the good hair can grow through, how smart of them. I think that they are negligent and that they are liable for what they have done to me. I'll be seeing a hair surgon on Wensday next week and I hope he can enlighten me. If anyone knows anything about any simmilar cases and there outcomes or has a solution for me please help me.kezicsydney@yahoo.com