j1000

Dr. Ozlem Bicer, Istanbul turkey 

On 10/28/2022 at 8:17 AM, Oxiborick said:

Quite a bit. Or so I thought. They had really good reviews on Google reviews, and I even spent a lot of time at their clinic going over everything. They didn't seem suspect at all.

Now I'm thinking that I was super naive in this approach. You'll probably think I'm an idiot after reading that, lol.

With all due respect and sensitive, google reviews is not research at all. I’m sorry my friend. Luckily better surgeons can repair it. 

I’m my opinion you don’t need one, but I also know what it’s like to be picky. Check out my post about Dr. Bicer. I loved her.

From a fellow Dr Bicer patient, looks awesome. Can’t wait for my growth 

Dr bicer 

Dr Bicer in Turkey, Eugenix in India 

I remember finding your video on YouTube. Looks like you’re posting here instead. I can’t wait to see your results. I’m one month post operation with Dr Bicer and can’t wait for it to grow in the future. 

18 hours ago, Gatsby said:

@j1000 at one month nothing looks post op in my opinion. It's important that we allow for the donor area to heal as much as we wait for the new hair to grow. It could be shock loss. In my case my donor worried me post op for up to about 3-4 months. I didn't experience shock loss but it looked and felt almost depleted. However a lot of it was all in my mind and then it really didn't look much different at all. Trust in the surgeon you chose as Dr Bicer has a lot of experience (24 years) and is an excellent surgeon. I look forward to following your results. All the best!

Thanks! I’m not too worried. She is an excellent surgeon but temporary shock loss can occur with even the best of surgeons, as you know. I will wait and see how it grows. 

I look forward to your progress. I had my procedure with her about 3 weeks before you. Happy growing.

I am on day 30, the one month mark. From here on out I only plan on posting at the beginning of every month. In the meantime, I was wondering if you all think I might have a little shock loss in my donor area. I did have about 3,300 grafts done and obviously that’s going to decrease my donor area permanently but I’m still curious. Ignore the areas in the crown in the picture, that was thin to begin with and much of it has been transplanted. Anything below the “U” shape (where my donor hair is taken from) is what I am referring to. Additionally, I included a picture of the top of my head that is unrelated to the shock loss question I have.

1 hour ago, Iceee222 said:

Oh dang wow ok all these surgeons are booked up crazy. You think she’s up there w those other elites ? I’ve heard good things including from u which is good! U look at another turkey doc Pekiner ?

I didn’t but that doesn’t mean he’s not wonderful. I took a liking to Bicer from my research and went with her. No regrets. 

6 hours ago, Iceee222 said:

Hey great results that’s awesome!! I’m looking into bicer as well. De Freitas and Dr. Pinto are all booked up for over a year so bicer is one of my front runners right now. I’m thinking of going with her instead of waiting for the others what do u think!?

I had my procedure with her 3 weeks ago and I think I remember her saying she is booked for about a year too, but I would go ahead and book with her if you want her. People cancel or reschedule…it happens. I booked my transplant 7 months in advance and her helper kept notifying me of openings where someone wanted to cancel or reschedule. Go for it, just hold off on booking a flight in the time being.

I had my appointment with her 2 weeks ago and it was great. I’ll be looking foreword to your progress. 

On 8/29/2022 at 10:30 PM, LionTamer said:

Hi Everyone,

I'm planning to get a transplant in Turkey. My friends are set on going with Sirkan Aygin, but I've become concerned based on some of the reviews I've read of him here and elsewhere. I wanted to ask those more seasoned members of the forum for the top 3 recommendations for surgeons in Turkey. What I'm looking for, in particular, is who the top 3 surgeons are by general consensus (i.e. not based on personal experience). In other words, I'm not asking who you think are the best surgeons based on a great transplant that you had. I'm asking which surgeons, based on your time spent reading the forums, everyone seems to agree on are the best surgeons. Who are the "go-to" names you always read? Who are the ones with the best reputation overall? Who has the least amount of negative reviews?

My criteria for "best" is: who has the most consistently good results, creates a natural-looking hairline, least likely to result in a botched transplant, ideally does the surgery themselves (but I can be convinced if you think this is not necessarily an important criteria), and has a reputation for being honest and patient-first rather than in it solely for the money.

Thank you so much, I really appreciate everyone's help

I know Turkey is notorious for hair mills and sub-par transplants, if not full on botched jobs, but there are a few limited handful of good choices there. I went with Dr. Bicer. My procedure was about 1.5 weeks ago. Check out my profile for my experience.

13 hours ago, User578402857 said:

UPDATE:
Well, overall the experience was fantastic. 

I flew out of the US from JFK via Lufthansa on 6 Sept. The flights went without a hitch to Istanbul (Had a layover in Frankfurt). 

My biggest concern was the challenge involved with obtaining free wifi. For those without a Turkish phone number, you will need to use your passport at kiosks to obtain a password for 1-hour use. NOTE: These kiosks are at the exit of the airport -- you will need to pass departures, passport control (PPC), duty-free, baggage claim, and then exit before you find one. More on this in a moment.

In order to leave passport control, you will need a visa. CARRY US CASH. There is a big blue sign to the right of PPC with "Visa" on it. For an American, the cost is $30. A sticker is attached to your passport page, and you can proceed through PPC (someone at the entrance to PPC will tell you this and where to find the visa). Finding your way through the rest of the airport is rather easy, with a MASSIVE yellow/orange "Exit" sign at the end of baggage claim that leads you to the final hallway, where all the doors leading outside are located.

Now, the wifi. Before you fly to Istanbul, whoever your assistant is should send you a small map, which shows what door to exit outside and what "driver" number to look for once you pass through the door leading outside. When you leave baggage claim, and walk under the massive "exit" sign to the last hallway, you will walk down this wide hall leading to the door outside, likely Door 13. Instead of turning left to exit outside, walk straight ahead, and there will be a pillar with a wifi symbol and a small white machine. Slide your passport, as the directions indicate, and print you password. Now, you have wifi. 

This was an ordeal for me. I honestly wished I had purchased Verizon international travel pass (like $10/day). There will be more times where you are in Istanbul, where having connection to you assistant for information will keep your stress level down -- but you won't have it because wifi is not nearby. But, this is me; others are okay with wifi only. 

Meeting up with my driver was good and smooth; though, his english was rather poor (more on language later). Enjoy the drive into Istanbul. It's wonderful.

I opted to stay in the clinic suite, which is in the same building as the clinic, but different floor. IF YOU CHOOSE THIS OPTION, know that the clinic is on level 17, and the suite is on level 10 of the same building. My driver told me "tenth floor" and then left -- me not knowing what floor the clinic is on. Upon arrival to level ten, there is nothing. The hall is dark, with lights only triggered by movement. No one is on the ground floor reception for the building. There is no building map. But, very fortunately, a girl and her friend arrived on the 10th floor. I asked for help finding the office, and the girl helped me out, calling the doctor office (REMEMBER -- once you leave the airport, you will not have wifi nor a way to reach your assistant), and leading me up to level 17, exit right from the elevator, to the office.

I met with my assistant, Dr. Biçer (pronounced Beecher, like teacher), took some blood, filled out some paperwork, chatted. I was then led down the level 10 to the clinic suite. This is an excellent option (Dr Biçer had even said this is better instead of a hotel suite) -- nearby the clinic and shops, great views, good wifi. My assistant told me to send photos of the menu (on the suite table) what I'd like ordered; he ordered it, and the delivery arrived not long after. NOTE: I ordered a lot of food. I ate most for dinner, ate the rest at breakfast -- along with the breakfast they provide for you before the procedure. Having a full stomach will help.

Enjoy what night(s) you have before the procedure, as sleep will be much harder to come by. 

On the morning of the procedure, I showed up upstairs at the appointed time. My hairlines were drawn, photos taken, changed clothes. And entered the surgery room and given a relaxant. Now ... the application of the anesthesia is the only painful part of the procedure -- basically, a short-needle applicator gun is used. There will be a lot of shots, depending on how much work will be needing done. Just grin and bear it; that's all you can really do. More of an annoyance pain than anything.

There are three parts to the surgery, and you'll break for lunch after, I believe, part 1. I passed out for most of parts 2 and 3, waking only momentarily for glimpses of what was happening. My procedure lasted 8 hours. I was somewhat dizzy after (normal, according to Dr. Biçer). I changed, had some photos taken, given medications, and told to rest up and show up the next day in the morning. 

I returned to my suite, ordered food, ate, slept (or tried to). I propped some pillows from the bed on the end of the couch. There are other chairs in the suite, but I think the couch was the best because I could prop my feet up. Oh, there will be prayer from the mosques when it is dark (I'm assuming this is tied to time instead of time of day) that may wake you up, too.

I slept okay. I was given another breakfast. I packed up my belongings and returned to the clinic for a de-briefing with the doctor. A taxi was called, was late-ish -- not too big of a deal as my flight was at 14:00. The office is aware of how much time you need to leave the clinic and arrive at you departure flight. Taxi was scheduled for 09:30, arrived at 10:00. Once at the airport, being dropped off, walking through PPC and the rest of the airport to reach my gate did take some time but I had about 1.5-2 hours to spare when I arrived at my gate before departure. But, you should have plenty. Be sure to grab the free wifi password before you enter PPC.

I'll post pictures as soon as I can. Hope this guide helps.

Thanks for the write up. I tried to answer your questions you posted on my thread but it wouldn’t let me. But you had even better additional information. I’m glad the procedure went well and I hope the healing goes great too.

14 hours ago, Spring15 said:

Thanks for the detailed post, I'll be going to Dr Bicer in December. I'm worried I'm somehow going to miss one of my transit flights somehow though. I'm travelling from New Zealand so 3 flights. Frist to USA , then to Germany and finally to Turkey. I only have 2 hour transit period between my last flight. hopefully it works out

I'll be arriving a couple of days before my surgery so want to look around Istanbul a bit, is it possible only speaking English? 

I think you’ll be fine. Luckily, you’re flying in advance before the surgery in case there are any hiccups. 
 

Yes it is of course possible to speak only English, but as a courtesy to another’s culture (and not expecting them to speak our language in their country), I’d recommend learning a few words like hello, good morning, thank you, please, how much. It’s not asking much. Google translate can be your best friend if you have cell service.

Day 8 post operation

3 hours ago, Nova3005 said:

Thank you for this detailed post. I'm sure you are going to get great results since you chose an excellent surgeon. Have you ever been taking medication to stabilize your hairloss after your first transplant ?

I actually have not. Just a personal preference. I don’t like the idea of having to take a medication (finasteride) for life. I’m sure I wouldn’t have any problems with side affects, it’s just that I don’t want to do it. Minoxidil makes my head itch when I use it but I’ve been hearing about oral minoxidil lately in the news so I might consider that. But that is doubtful. After my first transplant my hair really started to thin in the crown. I knew one day I would have another transplant and I wanted the doctor to see what was truly gone on it’s own, versus what was there simply because of medication sustaining it. I wanted to get a transplant again someday (like now) that would still give me good coverage, because what if I had kept taking finasteride but in the future I wanted to quit it? I would be left with a transplant they’d have to guess would look good once I got off the pill. My head is now mine “naturally”…I’m letting it do what it does on its own. In the future, I’ll probably have to get one more transplant to fill it in a little more, as my crown is not 100% gone yet, maybe it’s 85% gone we can say. I have more than enough donor to do so. But long story short, no I’m not on finasteride or minoxidil or anything else.

Day 5 post operation

2 hours ago, Gatsby said:

A great write up and you’ve chosen an excellent surgeon. Wishing you all the best @j1000!

Thanks for the warm welcome!

5 hours ago, HortonC said:

If your HT was on wednesday I think we ran into each other in Dr Bicer's office when you were filling out the paperwork. I had mine done a few days before and came in for the hair wash.

Glad that your procedure went well and I'm looking forward to see your progress!

Oh yes, I remember you! It is great to hear from you. I hope we can track each other’s progress. And I hope your results look great.

I just had my transplant with her. I’m also from the USA. The neck pillow was fine, but during my flight for example I didn’t even sleep.

I too have Verizon and with iPhone. I was curious how I’d have connectivity over there. I’d say save yourself the $20 and not get it. Get Wi-Fi at the airport and you will have it at your hotel. At the airport you get it free via a kiosk. Just ask a worker there for help doing that. One thing I didn’t know is electrical outlets are different there. At a European airport I’d try and find a turkey compatible phone charger thing because perhaps all of them in Europe are that way. If not there is a little bookstore called D&R that has them in a mini shopping mall called Bulvar 216 near a hotel I stayed which is 7minute walk from Dr bicer office.

As for entering turkey. You must have both your passport and evisa.the website is evisa.gov.tr. , it is about $50. I’d print a copy or two off vs just having it on your phone just in case your phone dies. Upon returning to the USA I only needed my passport. 
 

As for anything else, check out my new post on my experience there. Holler at me with any more concerns cause I too was wondering about and nervous of things before I left. Not the transplant, but rather the travel part.

Well it is time for me to return the favor and post my experiences after this and a few other reputable forums have helped me over the years. It is only right for me to return the favor. I just returned to the United States from Turkey for a procedure I had done with Dr. Ozlem Bicer in Istanbul at the end of August 2022. I am only three days post operation. This, however, is my second transplant. I had one small operation 7 years ago with Dr. Bradley Wolf in Cincinnati, Ohio that was 1,200 grafts to lower my frontal hairline a little. I think me choosing that operation was a little premature on my part (I was not pressured by him, in fact he was conservative with grafts which is a double-edged sword. Despite the great natural look of his hairline, I needed a few more grafts in the hairline to thicken it up, which is part of what this second operation was, but I also was only 26 I think at the time and still had more balding to go). For this second transplant I again wanted to fill in the frontal hairline a little more, as well as fill in my huge crown area. She said she put about 700 more grafts in the front hairline, and about 2,500 or 2,600 grafts in the crown, for a total of about 3,300 grafts if I remember correctly. So between both operations, I have used about 4,500 grafts so far. I will probably need one more operation in which I think I want to do some final details on my hair. For the heck of it, I want to fill in my FUT scar from the first transplant even though Dr Wolf did great on it. I will want to fill in the crown a little bit more, I’m sure. I will want to just thicken up one little patch between my crown and frontal hairline, and then also get some nice temple points. So, with my uneducated guess…maybe 2,000-2,500 grafts more for a final procedure one day? I really wanted temple points this time around and I let her know that but she advised against it right now because she said she would have to alter my hairline shape more (and thus more grafts) in order to make it look well. I trust her on this. I think she wanted to devote this surgery to my crown and hairline so that it will look best. But in the future I hope I can get some temple points.

It seems she likes to keep the number of grafts for an FUE transplant to under 4,000. So no more than that. I’m not saying you can’t get that. It just seems like most clients get between 2,000-4,000. It seems to be the same with any other good clinic. Too many grafts would mean too many hairs fighting for blood supply and could affect healing and growth if I remember.
 

I have done hair loss research for about 10-11 years now. I’m not the end all, be all voice, but I know what to look for in my research and what to avoid. Dr. Bicer is one of the only good clinics in Turkey. If I had to guess, there are probably just a handful. I want to make sure I depict her accurately because it can be a little scary for someone to travel from overseas to a country where there are many notorious bad hair mill clinics. She was not pressuring at all. In fact, she was wise in her assessment of not doing certain things I wanted (like the temples, for example). She is an actual doctor, for one. She has the credentials I wanted. I won’t go into that much but he’s part of ISHRS, for example. She knows so many of the doctors I mentioned from the USA (like my first surgeon). It’s like a lot of these actual good doctors know each other because they attend conferences and workshops or whatnot together. Her staff is great too. Very professional. Very clean office, with modern yet classic design. The operation rooms are very clean and professional. I think my procedure took 6-7 hours. Paperwork before took about 45 mins, a little preparation and having the head shaved and discussing the design took about another 45 minutes. I arrived at 8:30am or so and left around 6:30-7pm. Lunch break too. The only part that wasn’t fun is the way to numb the head. But no pain, no gain. I would say the pain felt like someone snapping your head with a rubber band. They had to do it like 30-40 times to numb your head. It wasn’t the worst thing in the world but not the best. I was glad when it was done haha. But as I mentioned, her staff is great and they would constantly check on me asking if I was good during the transplant. They do a lot of the work but of course Dr Bicer does the most important stuff like designing, removing grafts, excisions of where they will go, etc. However the rest of the staff is great in doing all of the other work. You will come back again the next day for a cleaning and overview so again, take that into consideration of when you need to arrange your ride and your flight. 

Well that takes care of the hair transplant stuff itself, I believe. I don’t know what I forgot. I really was not nervous about the procedure itself. I was a little more nervous about traveling overseas by myself so I wanted to make sure I could help put at ease anyone who is traveling from outside Turkey. So I will provide a very detailed synopsis below.

Lets start with the flight. From where I am in the United States, it seems like if you leave certain days of the week and return a certain day, that the flights can be cheaper. Perhaps if that is a huge issue for you, you can ask Ozen, her assistant, to schedule you for a day that works with that. Before I left at the end of August, I knew a lot of domestic USA flights were notoriously getting cancelled. But even though my Turkey flight was booked 4 months in advance, the schedule did not change once haha. I would recommend coming a few days before the transplant. As her assistant will advise, you want to be there the day before I think. But I would even add on an extra day or two ahead. So if your surgery was on a Thursday, maybe land in Turkey on Tuesday. Make a little mini vacation out of it. As for the returning flight. I arrived at the airport at 10am for a flight that left at 2:15pm. It seemed pretty busy but from the moment I walked through the airport doors until I reached my gate was cumulatively about 1 hour for customs and security check, etc. I think you should arrive 3 hours at least before your flight leaves. The arrival at the airport was a little intimidating for me. I couldn’t get Wi-Fi to work on my phone because I didn’t know how. WhatsApp is how you mostly converse with Dr Bicer office and she also sent me the number of the driver who would take me to the hotel but I couldn’t figure out how to get Wi-Fi to connect. I thought I left the driver waiting too long but he was still there. You get Wi-Fi from these little kiosks and you get an hour for free or something. Just ask the staff, they are very helpful.

After you land in Istanbul, you’ll go downstairs and do the passport stuff. Make sure to have your Evisa for your visit too. From there just follow signs down to ground level I think. Ozen sent a map of what gate my driver would be at. Walking outside to where the drivers are is a little different. There are a bunch of people with numbers and it looks a little hectic. It’s usually a bunch of young guys. They aren’t the drivers, they just help corral you to your driver. Look for your number and give them your name. They will take you to your driver. Since I landed at IST airport, it was about 50 minutes from my hotel / her office. Keep that in mind when timing your return. For my 2:15 pm flight I requested to leave at 9:30am or so from my hotel. 
 

Technically you can stay at any hotel you want but you will want it to be next to her office. There is the Sheraton literally like a stone’s throw away from her office, or a small one maybe 7 minute walk which is what I chose. I was there for a week. My hotel (the Gate 30 suites) was about $50 a night. Dr bicer’s office has a deal where you get two nights and transport services to and from airport, all for 300 euros I believe. I chose my own hotel since I needed more nights. The driver service was 100 euros for BOTH to and from (so 50 euros each way). Just save yourself the pain for trying to arrange transportation yourself and add on this extra service with Dr. Bicer’s office. By the way, you don’t pay the driver directly, it is charged at Dr. Bicer’s office. I do regret not leaving a tip with some cash lira for him but I was confused. 
 

Go see at least one site or one experience while you are there. I found a female friend who helped me around. 
 

As for using money there, I thought every place would take my credit card no matter what. Some places it did but a few it did not. I have Visa, Mastercard, American Express credit card. It’s nice having a card with no foreign transaction fees too. If you’re going to eat somewhere just have some cash lira on hand just in case. ATMs are easy to come by there. I think maybe debit cards work in those instances where my credit card does not but I’m not sure. As far as getting euros, for someone who is American like me and wanted to get a good rate, I’d suggest not getting euros before hand through a service but instead use an ATM there in Turkey. A lot of travelers recommend the Charles Schwab debit card which is popular for overseas travel. I’d recommend it. They refund any ATM fees for withdrawing euros. So for example, the atm would charge me like 50 euros for withdrawing 1000 but no worries because it is refunded. Paying for the actual hair transplant, I chose to pay in cash because with card it is like 10% more because the bank would charge their office a fee or something. So I liked paying the cash (euros) option. I most often used a atm from TEB bank there. When using it, you’ll insert your card and it will give you English prompts, and then choose euros to withdrawal. You can choose lira if you’re going for food and drinks. Euros is only for the doctor office payment. My atm had a daily limit but call Schwab and request a higher limit for one day. Since I was there multiple days in advance I didn’t really need to do that because I just withdrew x amount for each day until I had the total I wanted for cash price of the cost of the transplant.

When I was eating there, I was a little nervous to go alone since I don’t speak the language, but it was not a big deal. I stayed in one spot with multiple restaurants inside it called Bulvar 216, I believe. It has Starbucks, a pizza place, a sushi place, and many more. For peace of mind, I pretty much exclusively ate there. 
 

Hmmm, I don’t know if I have forgotten anything but feel free to leave your questions. Again, I am only three days post operation. I definitely recommend Dr. Bicer. If I decide to do one final transplant (hopefully only one more final transplant), I will most likely go back to her because I am familiar with her. I have enough in my donor supply but I was pleasantly surprised that, in moderation, she can also use beard and chest hair for my head, all of which I have an abundance of haha.

Before second hair transplant, but 7 years after first transplant. 

immediately post operation 

one day post operation showing fue with bandages removed, and also fut scar from first transplant