LookMaxx

28 minutes ago, Z-- said:

I’m glad you feel better after editing your original post 🤡

I was in a good mood yes after joking around but racists here have completely shocked me. 

It’s hard to say this early. Useless to judge a transplant before month 5-6

8 minutes ago, spiral said:

Fuecapillar

Must be Dr Gur

I was only asked for hair photos and a video showing donor area running a comb by Dr Turan. 

Regardless too damn weird hahaha, even if it’s for checking something this sort of checking should be done at clinic I think

1 hour ago, spiral said:

This is from a pretty reputable clinic talked about in this forum. I have already sent them a lot of photos and videos, and then they asked me to send this last one. 

What is the significance of holding a pen, why would they ask that?

Which clinic is it? 

Try Google translate on the site. Or wait until his ex patients tell you his contact info. 

It seems to be a common theme with hair clinics, they don’t want to be contacted by their patients easily lol

I mean how?

By blocking all isoenzymes of 5 ar? While finasteride doesn’t by blocking just one type predominantly.

The theory is dut increases T and that causes hairloss but fin doesn’t increase T. There are literally people born with genetic defect of 5 ar deficiency that don’t bald and have NW0 hairlines. Those people T levels are high.

People in their home who I doubt even taken science as a subject in school know more about hairloss than researchers who did actual experiments. The world is a fascinating place

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I hope you keep updating it till 7 months at least. This forum is full of Dr Bicer threads unfortunately where the late update is till month 4.

I didn’t even bother contacting Dr Bicer for this reason because Konior, ASMED, Asliturcan, Bisinga all look horrible until month 4 with ugly duckling phase. The first four months are absolutely pointless and can’t judge a HT. 

It’s such a shame because she gets praised so much but where do I see results? Good or bad. Extremely frustrating. I know a local clinic that is extremely praised by everyone but I chose to waste several thousand times more money because of this exact issue of not able to see full results till the finish.

Sorry to dump this on you hahahaa but it’s just extremely frustrating to see Dr Bicer thread and I can already guess how far the updates will go then stop. 

Finasteride works. There's no question of "if". It works if you've hairloss caused by DHT. 

All hairloss medication works best at maintaining rather than regrowing hair. Finasteride doesn't regrow hair except in rare cases but the results aren't spectacular. It is only for maintenance, preventing further hairloss. If you lose your hair, finasteride will not regrow them. Minoxidil MIGHT but most likely won't. 

Reason finasteride is recommended before surgery is to prevent further norwood loss so you still have HT as an option and require less grafts. Not using finasteride doesn't necessarily mean bad hair result. If the doctor takes hairs from safe zone those hairs are permanent whether you use fin or not. But most surgeons take hairs from unsafe zone too and in that case if you're destined to be NW7, you will need to be on fin otherwise the hairs will miniaturise.

There are people who had hair transplants in the 90s and they still have their hairlines while the area behind has disappeared because the hairs were taken from safe zones. This is also why you want to be on finasteride so you don't leave your transplanted hairs alone while the native fall off leaving island of bald patches where native hair used to be

1 hour ago, WhereIsMyMind said:

Its not that a hole is a perfect environment for a new graft, no doubt that fresh unwounded skin would be best.

The way I see it, it is still much better to use a recent wound for new graft than old scar tissue. So, why not? This approach makes much more sense than waiting for scarred tissue repairs imo.

I don’t get it.

Why not just use BHT on recipient area instead of this complicated business of recipient transplant, donor transplant. What if the donor hair doesn’t grow? That would complicate things even more, now there’s wasted body hair and aggressive overharvested donor area since the surgeon did it intentionally.  

If the logic is to get scalp hair, most clinics use BHT on midscalp and crown to great effect with scalp hair used for hairline. Look up eugenix cases of famous posters here.

I am baffled 

6 hours ago, Beehive said:

 

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Sorry to say but you’re way past the point where medication can do anything for you LOL

I don’t even know why this forum is hellbent on advising medication as if it’s going to make a difference and suggesting anyone that comes here to waste another year of their life on medication then another year that these hair surgeons make him waste on a waitlist. Literally there was a NW6 at 22 years old and the forum ganged up on him telling him oh no don’t get a hair transplant you’re so young lol, the guy was like let me enjoy my life if I waste my 20s with this bald head, what the hell do I do with hairs in my 30s? There’s few Casanovas here who pull teenage girls in their 30s and waited 5 years for a HT but he knew he wasn’t one. 

The only reason you should take medication (finasteride) is to stop progression to NW7. That’s it. You’re not going to grow any hairs, your hairs are clearly dead. You can try Minoxidil or microneedling or onion juice but if medication grew hairs, there wouldn’t be any hair transplants. You should absolutely not use medication and wait for a year giving up on HT thinking you are going to become a NW3 or NW2, I can only LOL at that. And after a year when you book a HT they will make you wait another year

My advice is to get a HT asap and enjoy life. You’re 28 and NW6, you will need two surgeries, expect full head of hair results in 3-4 years depending on clinic wait times. The top popular clinics have wait times in excess of 1 year now, even the Turkish clinic wait times are reaching 1 year. A year later I imagine they will be 1.5-2 years like most European/US clinics. Then hairmills are the only places that can take you

On 10/4/2022 at 11:14 PM, receedinglegend said:

any update?

Dr Bicer cases are always like this for some reason, not enough follow up to see end results. Annoying 

On 10/3/2022 at 5:12 PM, taza said:

I'm 7.5 months and growth hasn't improved. I been advised to wait 12 months but I don't think I will see any more growth. Has anyone on here had significant improvement after 7 months?

Yeah I doubt there’s going to be much difference. This is quite shocking to see such poor growth, seems like I dodged a bullet because I was considering going to him.

How is your crown and your donor? Do you have any more grafts left to fill in density at the front?

It does look like shockloss to me. Which clinic was it? 

If it’s a hairmill then could be overharvesting unfortuantely 

No

Grafts die

Surgeons/techs are humans too, it’s menial work and some people hairs are complicated ( harder to extract, perhaps fragile ) if the surgeon is having a bad day you know what happens.

Same case with other types of surgeries, even top surgeons mess up. Don’t be at the wrong place at the wrong time 😄

Updates?

6 minutes ago, BaldingEagle1 said:

-What would I need to do while in plane?

Be bored. If it’s your first time flying, be scared as well.

16 hours is a lot. I flew only 4 hours ( 2 hours going and 2 hours return trip ) and I hated it. 

There’s nothing to do but waiting and waiting. I can’t sleep easily outside my home and my bedroom so while everyone slept, I was bored out of my mind. No internet either.

Not what you wanted to hear but I hate flying. Then there’s the fear of flying itself when landing and taking off is the scariest ever, and it’s not smooth. 

If you like flying then your experience might be different. But I don’t know anyone who likes sitting for that long. I was in business class by the way. 

Wow, for 4500 grafts it’s not bad. But I am still learning about donors so my opinion doesn’t mean much hahaha.

Which clinic was it and what Norwood were you? 4500 grafts is massive

1 hour ago, MazAB said:

Thanks for the advice. Food for thought for sure. My thought process for my own dosage mainly is that I've been taking Fin for over 26 years. 1mg daily has been an everyday drug with no days missed for that long. No issues ever, so the Dut I decided on as an added insurance policy to block both Isoenzymes. Is it overkill? Probably, but even over the 26 years on Fin my hair did slightly miniaturize and recede. That could just be aging, but once a week Dutasteride has not been an issue. May stick with 1 time a week after reading your comments though. 

Forgot to add also that I'm likely to reduce both Finasteride and Dutasteride doses once Pyrilutamide hits the market. It'll be a game changer for sure and will set my mind at ease so I'm not overdoing it with suppression of DHT. Again thanks for the advice on that point.

I was surprised to see you take such extreme measures because you have a full head of hair and nobody can confuse you for balding. In your 40s you can chill and enjoy the hairs 😄. The protocol you’re using is something someone in their 20s should use destined for early path to NW7 with really aggressive hairloss but even then it might be overkill. Fin is no joke and dut is like a nuke for DHT completely obliterating it. 

Yeah pyrilutamide will be interesting.

1 hour ago, JoDimaggio22 said:

Thanks for this. This is a very detailed post and gives me an ideA. Wish they still sold that. Would you take that pill before/during the time of HT or is that pill something you should wait until a day or two after HT for healing?

You can take them daily to help with skin health so yeah you can take them before/during and after HT. 

I used to take them twice or once a week because they’re not cheap and I wasn’t particularly loaded at the time hahaaa

2 hours ago, MazAB said:

Current regimen:

Finasteride 1mg - 6x per week

Dutasteride 0.5mg - 1x per week

Never understood why people do this. Taking finasteride with dutasteride is redundant. Dut blocks both types of enzymes more effectively causing massive reduction in DHT. Finasteride wouldn’t have any enzyme to bind to and just circulate looking for some.

Then there’s the half life. Both drugs have extremely long half lives. Dutasteride has insanely long half life which increases with age. 3 to 5 weeks!. Then there’s dosing. Finasteride takes 2 days to get out of bloodstream and 1mg has approximately the same suppression as 0.5mg. 1mg/day is high dose for hairloss, to combine that with 0.5mg dutasteride. Sheesh…that’s massive. 

I understand wanting to suppress DHT but it just doesn’t make sense to load up on medicine like this when less dose and lesser frequent dosing achieves equal efficiency. 0.5mg dutasteride once two weeks will be more than effective, can push it to once per month or 3 months because dutasteride just doesn’t leave the system easily. Or finasteride alone at 1mg/day is sufficient. I use 0.2-0.5mg fin twice or thrice a week depending on when I remember.

On the other end of spectrum you have the PFS crazies who are insistent on making finasteride the devil drug. Convinced it shrinks penis size, making ass numb, makes you impotent and forever changes your genetic makeup to the point you will commit suicide to escape it. If you deny any of this, you are lying. And every doctor who thinks PFS is made up BS is a liar paid by big pharma.

I find this really amazing. The two extremes. I don’t think DHT levels need to be reduced to eunuch levels for hairloss to stabilise ie completely zero. Neither does lack of DHT causes hair to grow, the best you can achieve is stabilisation and reversal of miniaturisation. Minoxidil is the only thing that can regrow hairs and that’s more important. There are people who take min alone with good efficiency, combining that with fin is the gold standard. There’s also reduction in prostate size, if you completely nuke DHT it will shrink prostate size massively I imagine and I don’t know if that’s really what you want as a healthy man. 

I understand the logic behind it ( DHT suppression) but it just feels redundant to medicate so much with little benefit when the same could be achieved with less medication and more freedom.

2 hours ago, jr1986 said:

What part isn't right?

I doubt it was placebo effect. I mean I've no placebo effect with the topical I'm making?

It seems like you’re using more than 1/3 of mg of fin if you apply 2ml but I am not particularly good at maths. I remember Kevin (haircafe) using a much more diluted solution than two 1mg tabs in 12ml. But if you’re convinced your math is right then ignore my post.

That’s why I mean if you might have had placebo effect on oral fin because the topical does get absorbed to bloodstream to a lesser extent than oral and suppresses DHT in bloodstream. But if you don’t get sides from topical then great.

Fin does get absorbed through skin rather easily so don’t worry about topical not being effective for hairloss. 

14 hours ago, JoDimaggio22 said:

Thank you. I’ve heard taking protein is smart. My biggest worry is I’m a poor healer and get red easily so didn’t know if there was a product that was proven to minimize problems like poor healing or long redness

Vitamin C. Zinc and those multi vitamins aimed at skin, nails and hair health do wonders for healing. I used to use a multi vitamin like that but the manufacturer discontinued it for some reason ughh.

I kid you not, what took a week or two to heal would be done in 3-5 days. Example I would get a cut on my hand and the wound would slowly disappear in a few weeks, with those multi-vitamins it would take days. 

My dermatologist had prescribed it for me like a decade and half ago, it was called “Epivite” by GlaxoSmithKline. That stopped then I visited my derm again and he prescribed “Reviv XL” by idk which company, with the same ingredients. I don’t have any reason to visit the derm anymore to get a refill and I hate hospitals so not going to bother just to get prescribed a new multi vitamins.

Your dermatologist should prescribe you something similar, as they get approached by vitamin companies reps with products aimed at skin. Remember it’s not the usual multi-vitamins you can get OTC, these have to be aimed at skin. I think it had minerals (selenium, copper), grape seed extract, beta carotene and uhh something else that was supposed to help with skin health. 
 

I eat really bad junk food and just one type of food most days of week so I was probably deficient in most vitamins for them to work so good but I was truly amazed at how it helped 😄

10 hours ago, John1991 said:

And @LookMaxx, you're wrong to completely push aside the idea of side effects.  They happen and just because you didn't suffer them doesn't mean others haven't.  Also, you referencing some guy on this forum who supposedly got dumped by his fiancee (in part due to his baldness) is completely inane. Who knows if that story is true and who cares.   Your username betrays your judgement.   Sure, we should strive to look our best (I sure do), but to literally be so obsessed with it that you make it your username and act like "nothing" can give bald dudes confidence is ABSURD.  I'm sorry you lost your hair, but that doesn't make it right or reasonable to talk as if all dudes who lose hair are finished.  They're not.

What would the guy gain by lying about being dumped? He also has disappeared after making that post clearly depressed and in emotional distress would be my guess.