110620

On 7/16/2022 at 9:23 PM, Shaheer said:

I think u had seborrheic dermatitis in your donor area when shaved your head, those red spots I mean. The doctor should not have gone ahead with the surgery. 

Ohhh, i understand what you mean now but clinic did not inform me about this issue. First time i heard this issue from you now.

On 7/16/2022 at 9:23 PM, Shaheer said:

I think u had seborrheic dermatitis in your donor area when shaved your head, those red spots I mean. The doctor should not have gone ahead with the surgery. 

If you mean red area on below photo, these are birthmark and they are exist since my birth

On 7/14/2022 at 8:26 PM, BaldingEye said:

Sorry to see this result. Why they did not plan this in 2 different procedures? Did they tell you the reason? 

Unfortunately, one more awful result from Dr Koray Erdogan - ASMED. Why don't they offer warranty? Maybe because they know what they are doing? 

Best of luck with your repair. 

I am sorry to see this result too. Actually the operation completed in two days(10/06/20-11/06/20 with 2.500 graft x 2 days)

They told me that my hair/graft average was low and my hairs became thinner after operation one year later. According to pre-checking with Ke-Bot, my average hair/graft was 2,15 but my operation completed with 1,83 and my hairs was 63 micron(or 64) before operation. They did not tell(actually they did not even check thickness on one year post op) post op thickness. They told me that "you were hopeless case". According to clinic, all problems are related with me as i understand!

I dont't know what kind of warranty you are mention about? They requested money again for next 2.500 greft on one year later control and did not contacted with me again(until last week). They did not even post anything to my topic.

I do not want to hear or think about ASMED or Dr. Erdogan anymore. I just wanted to receive comments about my 22 months later but i did not receive any positive comments and so i decided to new HT. I hope my repair will save my situation a little bit but i don't have too much hope or expectation after my first adventure.

Generally, my result is not successful but my right side is worst then my left. I think this is related with my situation too! Maybe i use  my right side of head for think and grefts did not grow on my right side properly!

2 hours ago, IMM1979 said:

Thank you! I was about to say, can someone here please man up and start an Asmed hater thread instead of polluting my journey.. is there an adult in the room? 

I am so sorry too. I did not wanted to ruin your topic but i did not control myself after Suzana's “The help was offered“ claim. I wish best results for you.

1 hour ago, botchedguy95 said:

Like with all hair mills "come back for another surgery for free"... but if you ask for a refund they will go crazy on you lol, their business model does not support giving refunds or the would have to file for bankruptcy, instead they offer you to go through the meat grinder again and flush even more precious grafts down the toilet as if anyone would be insane enough to take that offer

""come back for another surgery for free""

Free?!? The clinic requested money again with same rate(tariff) for new HT. If i paid "X" for 5.000 greft for first HT, they requested "X/2" for 2.500 greft and Suzana claims that it is "help was offer".

English is not my native language but i belive "help offer" is not mean as like above! Maybe, this can be "help offer" if this clinic would only single HT clinic on the world! Ohh sorry, it just came to my mind. They gave me one box of Dutasterid(Avodart) and they said it is free(I was very lucky on that day)

I started my topic to recive your comments about my HT after 22 months later but unfortunately i did not received any single positive comments on the forums and on my personal enviroment. So, i decided a new HT on another clinic and i had operated last month again

I closed my case with this clinic but did not stop myself to reply after Ms. Suzana's "help offer" claim.

On 6/23/2022 at 4:26 PM, ASMEDMANUALFUE said:

Hi IMM1979,

Thank you for being cooperative and making your point as well. 

As a clinic we follow our patients post and we are open for every patient at all times.

Therefore, mentioned forum members above were already contacted in past. 
The help was offered and it still stands out. It is not possible to have an influence on someone’s decisions except to be willing to provide the guidance any time. 

I have to point out that once again you are completely right - your patient coordinator, your surgeon as well as the clinic are there for you and all the other patients  as a support and guidance at all times.

Wish you an amazing journey and we are happy yo follow up your progress.

Regards,

Suzana

ASMED Clinic

“The help was offered“

Dear Suzane,

Could you tell us please what kind of offer did you present to me?

I had a second hair transplation on last days in an another clinic to fix my situation and i plan to share my second HT's the results on this forum. I plan to share the new topic link in this topic on the future

Thank you for your valuable comments and i wish great results to everyone.

Ofcourse anybody don't want to go HT again after one year but sometime something can go wrong. I dont care this too much.

I dissapointed because even they did not satisfied from results too but they requested money again. I was awaiting free revision but a receive new price offer with below/attached results:

13 hours ago, Euphoria said:

You gave the impression you quit finasteride after HT, which you say you didn’t then yes this is a bad result.

Seems like asmed has become just a hairmill with bad results and should be avoided.

"You gave the impression you quit finasteride after HT"

+ Actually i was mentioned on my previous posts that i quited finas after 18 months later then my HT but it is normal you did not noticed it. Clinic requests minimum 12 monts after HT according to their instruction list and i used 18 months an quited.

"Seems like asmed has become just a hairmill with bad results and should be avoided."

+I can not say this. I shared just my situation and requested your opinions for am i need any other HT or not. But it looks it will be better that i have another HT if i have sufficient graft, according to comments

11 hours ago, Euphoria said:

I am not defending Erdogan. But you want objective opinions and here is mine.

This looks to be a successful transplant. You stopped finasteride which was keeping the heavily minitiarized few hours at the top of your head, those native hairs are gone and now the transplanted hairs are there alone covering your head, of course the density isn’t there. 5000 grafts are covering your whole head which without the HT would be completely bald and appears to be.

In your case, I think all the follicles grew because you would’ve a bald spot somewhere which you don’t. You don’t have density because you don’t have native hairs anymore. 

You haven’t shown your donor which probably means it isn’t butchered and completely fine. And you say you have more hair in the bank after 5k grafts!!. What more could you want from a HT? A little toppik and you wouldn’t even need another HT especially since you’re not even on meds. 

I am sorry but yes, you will get blamed if you don’t take finasteride or minoxidil especially when the miniaturisation is so obvious and barely any native hairs left to cover bald spot. I am a nw6ish and still take fin holding on to few hairs that have not made my hair completely shiny and allow toppik use. If I stop I will probably get worse where a HT will not just look as good but with the few native hairs, I can even appear to have density. Yes, even a few hairs can make a huge difference.

All that said, seems like asmed isn’t getting good reviews lately but this? this is a good job and to say otherwise just won’t be honest. Indeed some of the posters are just weird who are recommending not even going to Turkey which is absurd. 
 

Check out Melvin stickied thread. There are people who get 9k/10k grafts and still see through. Are they failed transplants? Absolutely not. 
 

If you were on fin or minox and still had this result then yes it would be bad. Just look at your preop, fin and min are struggling to keep them alive 😂 

I guess this is why some top HT docs are so selective with patients they take and dismiss high norwoods because the expectations are unrealistic. 
 

 

Thank you for your objective comments.

"This looks to be a successful transplant. You stopped finasteride which was keeping the heavily minitiarized few hours at the top of your head, those native hairs are gone and now the transplanted hairs are there alone covering your head, of course the density isn’t there."

+I think you need to persuade Dr. Erdogan first about successful transplant because actually Dr. Erdogan did not satisfied on my 1 year post-op control. I consider he did not satisfied because he gave me a box of dutasterid and offer a new HT with paying money again. If he found my HT succesfull, i belive he would not offer a new HT and dutasterid! And you know what, i was using finastraid without giving any break when he checked me. So, my situation is not related with quiting finastraid

"You haven’t shown your donor which probably means it isn’t butchered and completely fine. And you say you have more hair in the bank after 5k grafts!!. What more could you want from a HT?"

+ Actually clinic told me that i have 7.500 greft for usable and 5.000 greft used. Remaning is 2.500-3.000. Any of clinic did not tell me yet i have enough greft. This was ASMED's calculation.

My donor area, especially my sides(left&right) are not in good condition. When my barber trims with shaver with low number, removed grafts can see easly but i dont care it. My priority is my front line, secondly vertex area. My donor area is ok when i leave it long hair. Generally i dont have too much complain about my donor area if my barber cuts it with scissors.

"I am sorry but yes, you will get blamed if you don’t take finasteride or minoxidil especially when the miniaturisation is so obvious and barely any native hairs left to cover bald spot."

+ As i wrote above, i was using finastraid when Dr. Erdogan checked me and he did not like 1 year post op results on me. This is not directly related with finas. 

"If you were on fin or minox and still had this result then yes it would be bad. Just look at your preop, fin and min are struggling to keep them alive"

+ Come on man! Finasteride, minoxidil, toppik. What else? Dutas, microneedle? If i use fin, min, toppik why did i had HT? I would used a cap forever or trim to my hair number one.

I just wanted a good front line when i see my face on mirror, it was all. 

On 4/28/2022 at 2:56 PM, mrmane85 said:

@Dr. Felipe Pittella &@eugenixhairsciencesboth specialise in cases like yours. You already have a good starting point too so I think you'll be surprised at what is possible. 

What's done is done, so I would suggest to focus all of your energy and focus on the next steps needed to reach the goal you initially set out. 

I am positive you will end up with a nice result.

Thank you very much for advise. I will check them.

I plan to find a clinic which can use my beards too

20 hours ago, mrmane85 said:

You have a really good beard so there are plenty of options for you. I think you will need another 5000 grafts for a good result but you can definitely get there. 

Maybe reach out to Eugenix or Dr Pittella and find out what options are available. 

Unfortunitly as i know, i have only 2500-3000 greft for next(and final) HT for repairing or fix the situation. It looks next 5000 greft is not possible for me anymore.

I will check Eugenix and Dr Pittella. Thank you so much for suggestions and comment.

24 minutes ago, Curious25 said:

How do you feel with your results ? 

When we consider 5000 greft and my previous situation(before HT), it is disappointment for me.

No one did not find my result successful from my friends and i wanted to ask from forums to take decision that should i fix it from any other clinic or not. Unfortunitly i did not receive any positive comment until now

On 4/24/2022 at 10:18 AM, What is your agenda here said:

Hahahaha....

Yes for sure this is "tragicomic" bro...

No I have never been there. Just read the reports about Asmed on different hairloss forums...  

Just curiously bro when you decided to go with ASMED what made you go there ? Had you  seen the reports of  bad results and poor ethics from them prior to your surgery ? 

I saw only good results from forums or social media platforms. Unfortunitly i did not see any bad results before my decision and thought ASMED is good option for me.

1 hour ago, blast said:

So did you go with the cheaper package? When I was quoted in May 2021 I was offered three packages:

DR KORAY ERDOGAN -The cost of this procedure is 2.5 Euros per transplanted unit including accommodations for 2-3 nights, the surgical packet and all services related to the surgery.**

DR KORAY ERDOGAN and ASMED TEAM - The cost of this procedure is 1.9 Euros per transplanted unit.

ASMED TEAM - The cost of this procedure is 1.5 Euros per transplanted unit.

 

Which one did you go with?

There was only Group A and Group C on June 2020. My package was Group A

In all conditions, only opening of channels perform by Dr Erdogan or Dr Bayramoglu. Extraction and insertation perform by nurses. I am not sure but i think it is smilar for all clinics. Doctors don't do all of these 3 transactions by themselves as i know on other clinics too

14 hours ago, Egy said:

This^

16 hours ago, Anal minoxidil said:

As far as I know, I don't think Erdogan ever performs an entire surgery on his own. I don't think such package even exists. 

Maybe he used to do back in the day when he worked alone. Like 15-20 years ago.  Nowadays ? No way...

Erdogan is basically the same as Balwi, Serkan, Cinik etc.....you know what I'm sayin 😂😂😂

Comes in, shakes your hand, draws your hairline. Talks with you for 5min then says farewell to your donor area and sends you to his techs for playing russian roulette. 🔥

That's it. Don't expect more. 

At very best, he may perform the opening of the channels if you pay a bit more. 

Koray is not a hair transplant surgeon anymore...He's a businesman and head of the mill. 

He spends his time building his marketing and going around the world to attend some conferences lol 

While his uneducated teams of techs are ruining people's lives...

That is sad. But that is the TRUTH. 

That being said, can u still get a good result with Koray ? Yes sure. 

But is russian roulette. Literally russian roulette. 

To be fair, I'd say with Koray you have

A) 80% chance to get just an average result (some growth in the recipient area but with lack of density). Average lowcost hairmill type of result. Not too bad. Not too good. 

B) 10% of getting a really bad result. Poor growth, wasted grafts and there have also been reports of overharvesting. 

C) 10% chance of getting a great result like those that are strategically cherry picked on Asmed's youtube channel as well as on Belicapelli by the administrator named Bola who works with Erdogan. 

 

"Comes in, shakes your hand, draws your hairline. Talks with you for 5min then says farewell to your donor area and sends you to his techs for playing russian roulette. 🔥"

Haha, it happend exactly like above. Were you there too? I laughed too much

3 hours ago, Egy said:

@110620On that European forum, your thread has reappeared, from the collage (pics from pre to 12 months), your result doesn't look bad.

Ofcourse  12 months result is not look bad because they took photo and delivered by themselves. Do you think flash level and contrast are same on both part of photos? You will understand what i mean when you check my forehead carefully. How can my donor looks better after HT!? If results is normal or standart, why Dr. Erdogan offer new HT with extra money? 

Actually it is a little bit intresting for me because i requested "after photos" too but ASMED informed me that they don't share with patients. They don't share my own photos with me but they share my photos with 3rd part without asking me! As i know, this is not legal.

On 4/20/2022 at 10:25 AM, blast said:

Hey OP can you clarify was this the package with Erdogan performing the whole surgery or was it done by his technicians?

In my case, he performed only for opened of the channels. Actullay, i only remember first 3 minutes of channels opening, rest of time period is missing for me because of anesthetic.

2 minutes ago, Egy said:

They never deny themselves 🤦🏻‍♂️ They always do this, and they make Italians believe that Asmed is one of the best clinics in the world, it is obvious, if they keep only successful transplants online and delete those that have gone wrong (which are many) , people take the bait, and think their admin comes here on HRN to get the transplant threads with great results to post them on that forum, but be careful to change the HRN name to HTN to not advertise on our forum.

As i know, ASMED’s head of client representive is italian(or half italian) and probably they manage to delete/disapoear bad results/comments.

It looks that ASMED manages some HT forums well and online marketing. At least i belived and give desicion because of good comments and good publicty online

Thank you all to your objective but kind comments. I did not want to accept bad result but all opinions are same, this HT is not succesful any. After this point, i am sure that i need to find a clinic to fix my situation to consider your suggested clinics

Most disapointed issue for me, Koray erdogan did not find result succesful but requested money with same tariff. 

4 hours ago, Egy said:

@110620I took a look at the Italian forum on which you posted your thread yesterday, it is no longer there, did you decide to delete it there or did what I expected and which I warned you about yesterday happened?

Haha, i think you were right. I noticed that admin deleted my post after he asked my age and finas/minoxcil situation. I sent an e-mail to ask why did he delete my post

10 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

For 5,000 grafts I agree the results are sub-par. I don’t think Dr. Erdogan is a scammer though. Are you on finasteride? For me, it looks like the midscalp grew well, you just need more density in the frontal hairline. I don’t think its a catastrophe, but definitely not ideal. 

Thank you for your comment. I agree with you about midscalp and frontal hairline but most important part was frontal hairline for me.

Related with supporters:

13 minutes ago, Nccan said:

He ruined my life.. destroyed donor, bad result.. when I posted videos and pictures he hired lawyers to threat me, i delete everything out of fear.. his name should be banned on this forum.. and the HT world.. I don't know what to do every day is a nightmare.. please to OP do NOT go back for a repair, use bruno ferreira or pinto or go to eugenix

Thank you for comment. Your suggestions will be on my mind.

32 minutes ago, Egy said:

I'm so sorry, I still agree with @HappyMan2021, it can be easily repaired.  I noticed that you have published your experience on other European forums, in one in particular, I warn you that as soon as some members (some are just moderators with other nick names) will start writing against the clinic (their tactic is theirs), the admin will block your thread saying it is momentarily put in moderation, but it will remain blacked out and forgotten.  You will see that it will happen like this.

Actually i just shared my results objectively with before/after photos after 22 months later and wanted to learn your ideas in this forum and on the other forums.

It looks that i need to find any other HT clinic to fix process because this result is not good any for 5.000 greft. Unfortunitly we cant get back time to past. The worst issue was that ASMED did not care the results after 12 months later and requested money again for fix