windjc

windjc,

 

I have no doubt that Dr. Umar has produced some excellent hairlines. My point was that I'm not as impressed with his hairlines as I am of other doctors. It's purely a matter of personal preference, and for what it's worth, I think he should be recommended on this site.

 

As for the nape hair, I disagree with you. A lot of men lose nape hair, and not just when they're 70. I have no problem in taking non permanent hair and using it in the crown or midscalp area on a younger patient to give him extra years of having hair in those areas, even though I know that hair will eventually fall out. But, I'd say that approach is appropriate only in a select few patients, and not as a standard procedure.

 

Dr. Umar, on the other hand, appears to use nape hair as standard practice when constructing his hairlines. I'd challenge his assertion that it makes hairlines look better, because I see hairlines from Dr. Konior, Dr. Feriduni, Dr. Rahal, SMG, True and Dorin, Reed and Carman, etc., that look outstanding, and don't use nape hair.

 

In the grand scheme of things, I'd say taking hair from the nape area is a small issue, but an issue nonetheless, and one that should be addressed whenever one discusses Dr. Umar. I am concerned that if he relies on nape hair to construct his hairlines, and that if the nape hair falls out, his hairline might not look natural, because it's naturalness was derived from the now gone nape hair.

Again I must disagree. The nape hairs are so fine you can't see them in pictures and video. They simply create an optical illusion so to speak. I think many people who haven't seen them in person on the hairline have a misconception about what they really look like. They simply soften the hairline and you really can't tell as much in photos as you can in person.

I read your description a little more closely. You said you think most all of your hairs have grown in. From my experience, I would say that that is not true. I think you may be pleasantly surprised how much it may thicken in the next handful of months.

I also assume you are on Rogaine and Propecia now religiously. If so, and I believe you were not on them before, that throws two more variables into the mix that you truely cannot judge until later down the line.

Well done. Messy post ops, but the work looks solid.

As a former patient of Dr. Umar who drilled him with more questions than you'll ever find on this forum, let me clarify something here. Umar's post ops look "messy" because he doesn't clean them. Every docs procedures look just like this. But most other docs clean the blood off (or most of it) after surgery. Dr. Umar doesn't because he feels that cleaning the surface only increases risks to the new transplanted hairs.

Now we can discuss the relative possibilities of that, but lets be clear, the surgery isn't anymore "sloppy" than other surgeons, its just left "as is".

Second, and I know I have touched on this on other threads, but I absolutely cannot see the cons of using nape hair. If nape hair did fall out, it would simply leave the non-nape hair. Then the hairline would look like a hairline without nape hair. Which is what some posters are saying is preferrable in the first place.

IMO, its worth taking the risk that when I'm 70, I'll have a hairline with no nape hair (the same as I would have gotten with any other surgeon) and enjoy the soft hairline the nape hair provides till then.

Dr. Uman seems to get excellent growth, but I'm not a big fan of his hairlines, I just don't think they look as natural as that of some other physicians. I also don't like his tendency to use nape hair because nape hair is oftentimes lost as men age.

 

However, because he appears to be providing high quality FUE with excellent growth at "only" $6 per graft, I'd definitely consider him if I lived in California.

TC17, keep an eye out for an upcoming video of a patient with 2600 grafts at the 8 month mark. That video is of me. Look at that video when it comes out and you tell me if there is one thing you can nitpick about my hairline. IMO, its masterful.

In fact I told about 10 people I had surgery and they can't tell a thing. My hairstylist has been blown away and everyone who never knew, never knew.

I think his use of nape hair makes the hairline extremely natural. And if somehow I lose my nape hair when I'm 70 (most men don't) then my hairline will then look only as good as most other doctors' normal hairlines.

I'm at 10 months post Umar with 2600 in the same general area as you. You look similar to me at the 6 month mark. Next 4 months should see solid improvement. I went from "this is going well" to "this was a massive success". You should see more growth, thickening and a softening of the hairline as the nape hairs continue to grow in.

It looks like you got pretty good coverage for 1900. I didn't need side temple work and we took the hairline lower than yours and I had maybe a little more recession on the temples, but its been pretty awesome the results. Best of luck to you on your continued growth.

Thanks for the advice. I'll look up the doctors that are listed here and dr. Umar. I like this community so I'll keep on checking these out too.

Everyone who has been to Dr. Umar on this forum, including myself loves him. The only people on here that don't love him are the ones that don't trust his body hair transplants, especially the megasessions.

But those of us who have had head hair only transplants love him - if you have and don't please speak up - and I highly recommend him.

I had tremendous results and after 10 months can now fully recommend him. He is, in my opinion, one of the best in the world. And, if you can afford him - and you shouldn't decide on price whoever you choose - you are fortunate that he is in your back yard.

Jbbreese,

 

You can read about the potential recommendation of Dr Umar and some of the concerns contributing to his current recommendation status in the potential recommendation of Dr Sanusi Umar thread.

 

I'm not sure there have been any significant changes since that time.

At risk of speaking for others, I will say that I believe most if not all of us individuals who have had procedures with Umar know that the thread referenced above and the debate contained in it are outdated.

I have personally met with Dr. Umar many times and have had him personally answer every question and/or doubt that was brought up in that thread as I referenced those questions to him again in person.

In fact, the founder of this site who met with and viewed Umars procedure live walked out of his office suggesting that Umar be recommended, which started that entire thread.

Umar doesn't come on this site anymore. I can tell you its is less personal and much more about the fact that he runs a small boutique operation and doesn't feel it necessary or worth his energy to Q&A on forums. I don't blame him if you actually read that thread.

I have never personally recommended Umar to any poster, as I feel everyones situation is different, so I have no agenda. He may or may not be right for the OP.

However, that thread is what it is: outdated. And so too, in my opinion is the fact that he is not recommended in this forum. IMO, that thread is full of not-so-hidden agendas and marks a low point of discussion on this forum (a forum that I DO recommend).

Umar's skill is world class, imo. And he is definitely worth a visit to compare to other doctors, especially if you live in LA.

I had surgery with Dr. Umar in Redondo Beach and have had very good results. Of course, knowing nothing about your hair transplant needs or desires, I don't know if he would be a good doctor for you. But, I would recommend you research him more fully.

Originally posted by Joered78:

 

 

I have one last commment and then I'm not going to bother anymore.

 

You guys wonder why people never come back and just "disappear"? I beginning to see why. I came here, shared my experience, and that is all I wanted to do. You guys come across like I am some criminal or some idiot. How about you treat people with a little respect regardless if you like the doctor or not and maybe people will continue to post here and keep the rest of you updated with their progress?

A few points. First, my post was directed the OP who is the topic of this thread.

If you had a great result with Bauman, then congratulations. If you are happy, that is ALL that matters.

People get emotional on this forum because most of us have had or are considering a HT and realize that the stakes are very high - for the same personal reasons you mentioned and others.

We care - that is why we are even on a forum like this.

And it just so happens that Bauman has butchered several people and that he is hands down the most expensive doctor many of us have ever heard of.

This has nothing to do with you. It has everything to do with Bauman and what his results and prices have made people feel.

Its easy to want to stand up for our docs. But Bauman's work overall, in my opinion, is horrible and his prices are a literal JOKE.

Moreover, it is common place for doctors to have shills come to forums to defend them.

So, if you want to stand up for Bauman's work, that's fine. Nothing wrong with that. If you're happy and compelled, you should stand up for him. But the only way to effectively do it is to post you pictures in a blog on this site and keep them updated.

Participate with the forum, give people useful commments and share your documented experiences.

In that case, you are more than welcomed here.

 

This is how I was able to justify the cost to myself. I work with niche professionals in my line of work, and they demand good rates. In fact, so do I. I get low balled each day when I respond to a proposal requests. Quite frankly, that sucks. I did think 35k was a bit high at first. But during my procedure I assessed the equipment, the treatments, the personnel, the ongoing research likely required, and Dr. Bauman's likely costs of doing business, it seemed a fair price. I don't disagree that it's a high price. But, I do maintain it's a fair one for the treatment I received.

 

 

Gabriel, I hope your not a real patient, because if you are, this is very hard to read.

Your justification of the 35k is EXACTLY what allows Bauman to charge a RIDICULOUS rate.

There are doctors who do FUE and have an impecable reputation that charge about 1/2 of what Bauman charged you.

1/2. For. World. Class. Results.

If you really studied like you said, you would have known this. Its not hard to learn.

Why are you trying to convince us of Bauman's value? We don't care. We only care about results. That's all we care about.

I had 2600 FUE done 6 months ago for half the price you paid. And my results are phenomenal. But I'm not even mentioning the Dr.s name, because I told the doc I didn't want the pics shown and so I don't show them on here either (entertainment career privacy).

Post some pics if you want to hype the doctor. And then keep posting. If after 6 months you have a decent result, I will give you props for being the FIRST bauman patient I have EVER seen on a forum with good results.

Originally posted by youngsuccess:

windjc,

 

From Rogaine.com's FAQ section:

 

Can I blow-dry my hair after applying ROGAINE?® Extra Strength Solution?

 

Yes. It's fine to blow-dry your hair; however, we recommend using your dryer at a lower setting.

 

 

I still tend to agree with Maxxy, though. Give it a few minutes just to make sure it's being absorbed into the scalp and not evaporated by the blow-drying. In the past, users were advised to let the original formula dry naturally.

 

It's also still recommended to at least towel dry your hair before applying it.

Well, more specifically, I shower, towel dry. Add foam. Comb back. Brush teeth, shave, get ready for another 5 mintues. Then blow dry.

So thats about 5-7 minutes to dry in.

Long enough?

Originally posted by Maxxy:

Hey Windjc,

 

Even though the foam absorbs quickly, I wouldn't recommend using the hair dryer so soon after.

How long should I wait, iyo?

I am using Rogaine foam in the frontal third right after I get out of the shower. Then I'm blow drying on a low setting to dry and style my hair.

Is this a problem? I don't want to hinder the effectiveness of the foam, but I don't want to wait for my hair to air dry, wet it again and then style it with a blowdryer.

I also dont want to dry it. Then add the foam and then wait for it to dry again.

I just ordered some Dirt and tried it last night. Excuse my French but its pretty f***ing awesome!

Originally posted by thanatopsis_awry:

Great to hear, Aaron, really. The cool thing is that these products are *not* concealers in any way; their formulation just happens to lend a very strong byproduct that merges maximizing style (irrespective of one having MPB), with fixing and strengthening the issues that many HT patients experience.

 

HMO, ya, I've been really bad about taking and posting pics for a while. This coming week I'll try to remember to do a big update, complete with before/afters. It's something I'd like to do, as I feel the comparison will be quite profound.

 

Just as a random note: often, a very effective way to use the products, especially a finisher like Dirt, is to work it through your hair *as if* you are going to slick everything back and keep it all slicked straight back, having emulsified it in your hands prior, then working it through your hair. After this, with your fingers/hands, reverse the process, going through the various motions to push the hair the other way in your desired direction for styling purposes, really tweaking things to your precise wants along the way.

 

It can also be done where you just do a partial slick back process to your hairline and front, if that's your primary area of concern. As always, this should be done to dry hair, unless you are going for a very messy/tousled look.

 

Also, be wary of salons aggressively wanting to give you a "razor cut", and even layering. This wrecks havoc on the precise facets of the illusion of density your doc worked so hard to create. I got talked into one earlier, and while it's extremely cool in and of itself, it's going to take all my wiles to make this style jive and be copacetic with the invariable issues related to a HT.

Question. Do you wash your hair everyday? Because if you don't, what is your routine on days you don't wash it?

Cheers

Originally posted by Dr. Cam Simmons:

1. I know some patients who have taken Propecia since 1997 (before they met me) who feel that they haven't lost more hair and some who have had a slow decline.

 

2. Some hair follicles in the donor area may be affected by DHT but most aren't, in most men. Take a look at the seniors you meet or pass in a day. In a few, you can see through their hair on the sides but not in most.

 

Some men can get generalized thinning of all of their hair in advanced age, called senile alopecia. That might be what affected TC17s uncle from age 70 to 85.

 

I just did a touch-up hair transplant for a 68 year-old man who had 4 sessions from 1976 to 1980 and the transplanted hair was still there. His hair was about 2 inches long and his rows and rows of punch graft scars did not show. The punch graft scars made up about half of his 9 mm wide, 30 cm long donor strip and we still got 1408 grafts and he still had about 60% 2s, 25% 3s, and 15% 1s.

 

Hair transplants look much more natural now but transplanted hair from decades ago has stood the test of time.

This is an interesting thread. I have wondered about late life hairloss (75+). I noticed in my grandfather who had a lot of hair at 75 (probably NW2), now at 97 he has severe diffuse thinning all over. Not many 95+ guys with a lot of hair.

Now I know its called senile alopecia.

That makes sense, I suppose.

Originally posted by Megatron:

eurohair - did you go for the VIP treatment? If so, I'd really love to learn more about it. Here's what I saw on Armani's website:

 

VIP Service:

 

The VIP rate is $21/graft in all cases. For our VIP patients, we only perform one procedure per day, and provide 1 year of medical/cosmetic supplies in addition to many other VIP services.

 

At 7,400 grafts x $21 = $150,000 - what a steal!

Unless the "medical supplies" include a free car and full coverage medical insurance for the next 20 years, this is a bit ridiculous.

But, actually, I bet they get more VIP customers than you would think. Especially with their office in Dubai. There are a lot of people who prefer to pay extremely high rates for things just because it makes them feel good and they can afford it.

But the "one procedure a day" thing is absolutely hysterical.

Originally posted by hair_care:

I agree with you windjc lets give it few more months, If after that I am not satisfied with the result , I'll damn well come out and say it.

First of all, Hair_Care I want to apologize to you because you started this thread probably in part looking for encouragement and I probably sounded like just the opposite.

You might very well have late growth. And if not, then you can always get another procedure from another doctor and get the thickness you want.

So there are options for you and so even worse case scenario you can eventually get the look you are going for. Fortunately, you are actively on these boards and you are or will become educated on all your options.

So, if you have any further questions down the road make sure you ask.

Cheers.

Originally posted by hairthere:

 

Could it be a failure? Of course. We all know there are no guarantees with HTs. But this patient went to a doctor who performs this surgery every day of the week, and who is meticulous with his work and trains his staff in the same manner. If you want to rip this case simply because Dr. Feller is an outspoken member, then I think you are doing a disservice to this poster.

 

 

This is exactly what I am talking about. You are a Feller patient and so you are defending him.

Listen. Armani has some patients with great results. Great. But yet his is vilified on these boards. Others too. If this was an Armani result, this thread would be 11 pages long and there would be an uproar. If Pats had said "maybe there are places on his head where grafts don't grow" people would go ballistic.

The bias on this board gets old.

Every doctor has some poor results. Thats just a fact. They should man up and admit it when they do. But, in actuality, they make excuses.

I hope Hair_care has a miraculous turn around. But if he doesn't lets call a spade a spade, ok?

Propecia shouldnt make you tired. If you are tired it might be you're worrying and psychosomatic.

Regarding ED, that could be stress related too. I mean if you are already getting blood tests done after two weeks, then you must be really worrying about this.

As for your miniaturizing donor hair, well how old are you? Because this probably wouldnt happen until your 60s or 70s if at all. So if you are 40 now, we are talking 30 to 40 years. I am not so sure propecia will work for 30 or 40 years. Most people are lucky to see it work 10-15 years.

So I think you're worrying is, in the words of Shakespeare, "much to do about nothing".

Originally posted by spex:

I do not know anything about your individual case but can say as many other experienced posters have many times - we all grow differently and in different time scales, some slow some fast. The result so far is only at 7 months, you could well be a slow grower, there may be areas on your scalp that do not allow for good growth - we are all so very different.

 

Ok. I agree with 85% of your entire post. But lets be fair here. I have to agree with "Where'd It Go" when he says that this could be a poor job by the doctor/staff.

To say that "there might be areas on your scalp that do not allow for good growth" and not say "we might have done a poor job on you" is disingenuous, imo.

When I see apologists for certain doctors who are more than willing to jump to conclusions and rip other doctors, its not cool.

We should treat all alike on this board. At 7 1/2 months, this is not a desirous result. It might improve. Hopefully it does. But if it doesn't, Feller/staff should be held to the same standard as other, less popular doctors on this forum.

Originally posted by Bill - Managing Publisher:

I've asked Eurohair privately to provide me with documentation to prove he is a genuine Dr. Armani patient. If he cannot or will not provide me with the information I've asked for, this thread will be removed.

 

All patients are welcome to share their genuine experiences, but we have to be careful of those who aren't legit.

 

Best wishes,

 

Bill

I'm confused here. Why is his validity as an Armani patient in question? I and others in the this thread have already said that we've seem these same pictures on a different forum regular size.

Is Eurohair being asked to show some documentation that others aren't?

Originally posted by phil mascallpen:

If I had posted pics that small of my Bosley plug job it would look good. Posting this type of result only shows that hair was moved. It doesn't show density, angulation and most importantly very clear before, postop and after views.

 

Eurohair you must have better pics than this that would tell the whole story.

Ok. Fair enough. But I'm pretty sure his pics are on Hair Site with in normal size.

I still don't know why Armani patients just dont create blogs on the site like everyone else.

Hey Bill,

Did you get the results from your 4th HT that you were hoping for?

Originally posted by charlie_08:

Im not a critic of armani but you can make anything of these pics..sorry pal but show some decent pics or f off..dont waste our time

Yes you can. He obviously has some hair there.

But why does it seem so many Armani patients can't seem to make a blog and just post jpeg after jpeg, one by one post after post?

Just make a blog on the site and post your pics. Makes it easier for you and everyone else.