NickJ

3 minutes ago, general-etwan said:

It was never proven that creatine causes hair loss or contributes to already happening hair loss in any significant way, and if one is taking finasteride to lower scalp DHT then surely creatine is completely safe to take without worry that it will cause any further hair loss. 
 

 

 

mmmh that's what I thought even in my first response to Johnny but the conclusion from more experts on the topic is "your call, you can chose between creatine or saving a few years on your MPB"

2 minutes ago, Johnny129 said:

Yeah he likes it due to its cognitive effects if I remember

Yep right, he also does not make definitive statement
He takes Dutasteride so I guess a DHT increase is not that important anymore, but personally I'm not needing Dutasteride yet

1 hour ago, Johnny129 said:

I do miss creatine and I will jump back on at some point. I actually had my DHT levels checked and waiting for the results. Once I've been on creatine for a few weeks I'll get the DHT levels checked again and see whats what

This can also be interesting 

Reading this seems to good to be true 🤤

Matt Dominance and Hair cafe are the 2 youtubers I trust the most about Hair Loss 

Both seem to say that it should be ok, notably the second video I sent talks about the difference between scalp DHT and serum DHT

The issue is that a lot of people do report that creatine literally destroyed their hair, is it really the reason or not I don't know

I guess that there is still no definitive answer on it and every guy with MPB should evaluate if it's worth the risk or not

For me it had definitely an effect on my workouts and athletic performance but my face looked puffier (when I gain weight it tends to go straight to the face), so I always had a love hate relationship with it.

Also you lose the bulky aspect after a few weeks not taking it and you will also gain 2-3 kg on it

Even when I type those lines I'm torn apart if it is a good Idea or not to take it

Ideally I would like to switch to Tongkat Ali and drop Creatine, that's the why of the thread

17 minutes ago, Johnny129 said:

It comes from a study of rugby players. Didnt contain anything about hairloss directly but an increase in DHT. There is controversy around the study with doubts and differing opinions but there are people on both sides in terms of whether it can accelerate hairloss in those prone to MPB or not. 

16 minutes ago, Johnny129 said:

Where was it debunked Nick? I used to use it years ago but havent done recently due to the potential hair loss. Im starting topical Dut soon and was going to start the creatine again then to minimise risk

It all comes from one study done on young guys from 18/19 years old, so they actually don't know if it was really the creatine that made the hair-loss progress or if it simply due to the fact that people with MPB can lose a lot of hair at that age.

Creatine does help a lot indeed and I think that the increase in hair-loss it's supposed to cause was debunked

Thanks for your feedback

1 minute ago, sunsurfhair said:

Get your levels checked prior to usage. You should while on fin anyway. Test (total/free), Estradiol sensitive, DHT. You may not even need them if your levels are normal. I’ve used both and haven’t noticed any increase in hair loss. 

It's not that I need it, it's purely to improve my athletic performances and general well being.

Did you get noticeable effects from these 2 plants?

Hey guys,

I would like to try out those 2 natural supplements that are supposed to be good for daily life and lifting (and sports in general). They both raise Testosterone (for Tongkat Ali supposedly without raising DHT).

The issue of course is that I just had a HT and I'm only 29 so I'm asking myself if it would be a good move? I take 0,5 mg/day of Fin but I don't know if it make it safe to raise my T.

Anyone has experience with those supplements?

*Image is only illustrative I'm not making an advertisement for any brand in particular

5 month + 6 days update

Photo with the hair still a little bit wet to change a bit

I feel this last week progress has slowed down a little, I hope a lot more thickness is still to come

52 minutes ago, RTC said:

Love it.. encouraging during the ugly ducking phase

Yeah I won't say "don't watch your hair just be patient" because you most likely will watch your hair 😁

But just don't get too impatient for the 3 month mark as for me it nearly only started approaching the 4 month mark

1 hour ago, Mood Swings said:

Things are starting to look great man.. keep growing and keep us updated

 

are you on any meds?

I take fin 0,5mg/day, no side effects at all (starting just a few weeks before the HT, I know this is a mistake but I do not suffer from an ultra aggressive loss)

Anf foam minoxidil only in the evening

5 month updats

It's really coming into it's own, got a few compliments in the last days

Under natural light it's still see through but a lot of improvements still

I think it could look like a never HMB by the end of september

Not gonna lie for 6 month and a half it's not good, if you told me last picture was 4 months after the HT I would have believed you

But we see improvement between the 2 last pics and maybe african american hair grows slower (don't know about this one)

I also saw cases where the 6 month result was nowhere near the end result, so you should keep faith if you picked a good surgeon

I went with Yaman I'm nearing the 5th month mark so it would be too early to judge

If you have questions do not hesitate

14 minutes ago, NARMAK said:

I think this thread is a great example of why patience is key. I'm literally in that 3 month/90 or so day period soon and i have barely seen it progress myself, but this is why it's important to know those are the peak "Ugly Duckling" months. 

Yes, the good times will start for you bro

Good for you that you stayed calm, I knew about the ugly ducking phase but still panicked. But that's why I'm keeping this thread alive, to give confidence to people around that 2-3 month mark who start doubting

 4 month + 25 days 

It's still improving when looking back a few days behind.It's not where I would like to be when there is strong lightning but when it's dark even outside I got a "It looks good bro, looking like the hair you had at 20*" 

Still hopes it gets thicker and keeps improving for another 3 months or so

If I had to rate my HT results now I would give it a 6/10

*I'm 29

You should give it a try if being bald is really bothering you, but I wouldn't expect too much either

16 minutes ago, SeanToman said:

Month 6 seems to be definitive for most people.
 

Well as we had kind of the same growth timeline I hope to still see a few improvements between month 6 & 10

4 hours ago, StillAlive said:

Lookin' good man, just imagine what's going to happen by Month 6!

It's between month 5 & 6 that you saw the most growth?

4 month + 20 days 

It keeps improving, noticeably better under natural lightning

BTW never said it but I went with Yaman

On 8/7/2022 at 6:28 PM, SeanToman said:

Month eleven update!

Once again not a whole lot of change has happened this month.  
I think I'm at the stage now were the transplant has settled.

Since not a whole lot has happened for this months post, I decided to shave my donor area down to a grade 1 so you guys can take a good look at the donor area.

According to other users on this form; a grade 2 is the minimum length needed to hide FUE scars, so grade 1 should show you them.

Additional note; I've had my third and final SMP treatment two weeks ago, will be making a review of this also in the near future once it's settled.  The SMP treatment was only done on the crown/midscalp & hairline.  NOT THE DONOR.  So you'll see a difference in density in the donor area at grade 1.

11 months post operation:

(Original camera)

(New Camera / Alternative lighting)

 

(Donor shots)

 

(Prior to shaving donor & haircut shorter on top)

 

 

 

You probably are at 95% of the final result right now and it looks more than good, especially coming from elithair 

I don't think you need a second HT you shlould save your grafts as your still young

17 hours ago, pkipling said:

It's looking great! Also - in my experience, the donor area even improved over time, so that harvested look you're seeing could also very likely start to balance out once everything stabilizes a bit more. You could probably even cut it even shorter in the future.  

That's great to hear !

I'm excited for this month & september

13 minutes ago, SeanToman said:

Coming along nicely

At four months I was in the same boat as you;

 

Here is ten months;

Looks great bro, indeed our 4 months pics look similar 

I already had more grow these last 2 weeks than the whole 3rd month post op

How many grafts did you have implanted?
I had 3750, I think you're in that range too