Frustrated

1 hour ago, H.K said:

unfortunately , most patients planning to have HT , only look at youtube , clinic website and Instagram and don't have a closer look on forums .. 

only exceptional results of the clinic are published on youtube ,instagram , etc ..  "specially when considering lot of surgeries are done per day , so it's enough to pick one good result every now and then and post it online" .. one moment in history ASMED was my first choice and my only concern was excessive grafts numbers used , until i was lucky to find  HRN .

Previously i was frustrated by clinics having exceptional wait time "1 year +" which mean you have to wait like 1.5-2 years to get your result .. but now i see at least such clinics are more professional and only accept amount of patients they can professionally handle pre and post surgery "many of them  run 1-2 surgeries only  per day while they can easily have more patients per day and earn more money .. " 

 

2.5€ per graft (except I’m tr citizen so slight discount).

10 minutes ago, H.K said:

i believe from number of grafts you had and operation price .. you went to the middle option they offer .. This option includes planning of operation done by dr koray , incisions done by "dr koray + ASMED team" .. co-ordination and follow-up of extraction by dr koray .. 

so after planning , dr koray was possibly involved only and partially in incisions phase .

in my opinion it's a worrying sign that more and more clinic are delegating critical tasks to the assistants which can have different skill levels .. the problem is that you can easily know dr koray capabilities in advance  , but it's a matter of luck which of the assistants will be with you on operation day , it's a gamble !

2.5€ per graft except i got a slight discount because I served in my countries (Turkey) army. I’m a dual TR citizen.

.. going to rahal to get a proper repair.

4 minutes ago, AZ67 said:

well we do not know that. Nobody knows actually...

In the top package of Asmed clinic (2.5 euro/graft), Dr Erdogan does all the slits and analysis and planning while on the mid package (1.9 euro per graft) Dr Erdogan  does the slits of hairline and temples and analysis-planning, while the rest of slits are done by other doctor of clinic. So Dr Erdogan is involved in both top and mid package of Asmed clinic.

Top tier 2.5€ (except I got a discount because I’m a TR citizen

13 minutes ago, H.K said:

i believe from number of grafts you had and operation price .. you went to the middle option they offer .. This option includes planning of operation done by dr koray , incisions done by "dr koray + ASMED team" .. co-ordination and follow-up of extraction by dr koray .. 

so after planning , dr koray was possibly involved only and partially in incisions phase .

in my opinion it's a worrying sign that more and more clinic are delegating critical tasks to the assistants which can have different skill levels .. the problem is that you can easily know dr koray capabilities in advance  , but it's a matter of luck which of the assistants will be with you on operation day , it's a gamble !

Incorrect. I went for the top tier with erdogan doing the work. I got a discount because I’m a Turkish citizen.

then again i was drugged so who knows what happened!

16 minutes ago, ML488 said:

Did they give you any kind of "guarantee"? It's possible maybe you can get some of your money back after a year.

Guarantee. Hahahahha no

2 hours ago, ML488 said:

Let none of us be naive. If this is what he is seeing after almost 6 months it's a virtual guarantee that it will not be a home run result. That being said it CAN improve a bit for sure, but overall for a whopping 3500 grafts in what is a relatively small area for said number of grafts, it should be looking much more dense and it's clear the density will not end up being there unfortunately. I do wonder what went wrong though that would have affected the growth.

Thank you. Explanation from the clinic would be ethical but seems I have Buckley’s chance of that!

as for a home run, I would’ve been happy to reach first base! But sorry, wait 6 months is the official line.

Screw these pricks after dishing out over 6K Euro

24 minutes ago, H.K said:

unfortunately , most patients planning to have HT , only look at youtube , clinic website and Instagram and don't have a closer look on forums .. 

only exceptional results of the clinic are published on youtube ,instagram , etc ..  "specially when considering lot of surgeries are done per day , so it's enough to pick one good result every now and then and post it online" .. one moment in history ASMED was my first choice and my only concern was excessive grafts numbers used , until i was lucky to find  HRN .

Previously i was frustrated by clinics having exceptional wait time "1 year +" which mean you have to wait like 1.5-2 years to get your result .. but now i see at least such clinics are more professional and only accept amount of patients they can professionally handle pre and post surgery "many of them  run 1-2 surgeries only  per day while they can easily have more patients per day and earn more money .. " 

 

Fine I’ll do that and it will be comprehensive and to the point

I will spread the word far and wide that this clinic is a scam and I sincerely hope nobody else has to go thru this.

Trust me

2 hours ago, Rippone said:

Hello forum, 

 

I finally have time for an update 🙂. Today is day 12 post-op, all seems to be going in line with what I was told to expect. 

- Big swollen face until end of day 3-4, then it quickly went back to normal. By day 5 had no swelling at all, just perhaps a bit of swollen eyes after waking up for the next day or two, which quickly disappeared after standing up.

- Very very itchy and tingly head from day 3 to around day 6/7, to the point it was at times difficult to sleep at night. I also experienced a bit of pain in the donor area, which felt a bit hot at touch. Similar to the swelling of my face, after the discomfort peaked, it subsided very quickly. At the present moment, I experience a bit of tingly sensation on my transplanted area in particular in few spots around my bridge and crown area, and in my donor area, but nothing major. 

- The front part of my transplanted area still feels quite numb when touched.

- Scabs started falling by day 7-8, at day 10 were basically all gone. When washing my hair, I noticed few hair on my hands coming out with the scabs. This is to be expected.  

- Started to sleep without the need for a travel pillow from day 10. This feels so good.

 

Overall, I try to stay positive and focused, I have stopped reading about negative experiences in this forum. I just made an exception this morning by reading @Frustrated thread, since he posted here and got my attention. And I went into panic mode. I am now going to blast some music and try not to think about it. My co-ordinator, who had a hair transplant himself, told me that the most difficult part comes after the operation, with waiting and not knowing. I did not fully believe him, I thought I was prepared to live with this uncertainty... but I am not!

 

On a separate note, @Frustrated in his thread talked about being put to sleep during the incision part, without being told. I just wanted to share my experience, which was different.  During my operation, together with IV fluids, I was given some drugs (I think two between Midozolam, Alfentanil and Fentanil, cannot recall which of the two though). At every stage of my surgery I was told about any drugs I was being given and why it was being given. My pulse and heart rate was monitored. The anaesthesiologist checked on me many times to see how I was doing and asked me whether I felt discomfort and needed more drugs, it was a decision left to me, it was reassuring. On Day 1 of the operation, when I had my frontal part done, I actually felt asleep when Dr Erdogan was doing my incisions. I was very tired and relaxed. On Day 2 I remained awake.

 

Now, time for some photos from Day 10.

 

 

 

 

 

Hey buddy 

I just want to wish you all the best. I do hope my case is an exception rather than the norm.

Hope the music is loud and let the growing take its course.

best wishes 🙏

4 hours ago, Berba11 said:

@Frustrated

Asmed Clinic is now a member of  HT Mentor group of exceptional surgeons. 
 

Part of that means you can raise a dispute through and he should advocate on your behalf. I’d definitely reach out to him and see if that helps get you some answers at least. 
 

Best of luck and I hope things improve. I’m sat here having just finished my first FUE this morning so like you, I’m in the boat of waiting & hoping to see everything manifest into a good result. I know how I’d feel if I were in your shoes in 6 months time. 

Thanks I do appreciate this, but this confirms to me that Koray places more importance on his own public image and self attention, as opposed to medical ethics and overall welfare of his patients. 

No issues if you want to be a rockstar (I played in live bands for years), but have the decency to back it up with tangible results on the table.

this is serious attention whoring which was evident when I was in the clinic with his 10+ groupies following him like a lapdog. 

i had several issues which were raised directly and was pushed away with political statements and zero care. Why would anybody have to go to a 3rd party to get answers? Ridiculous…

Thanks again but I’ll be seeking my ongoing repairs from this catastrophic failure as far away as possible from the source of the problem.

cheers

2 minutes ago, Fue3361 said:

Yeah, just nail the next one and you're set to go.

And who knows, you might be a very fast responder and see very fast growth.  

This was me at 2 months:  

 

Then this was me 18 days later (2 months 18 days):


So all in all, I think I'll personally be able to go about my day at month 4 probably looking relatively decent.  If that's the case for you, maybe in 10 months you'll be set (if not earlier, due to existing grafts from first HT).

Looks awesome man and thank you so much for lifting my spirits and giving hope 🙏

2 minutes ago, Fue3361 said:

Good news is, you won't have to wait 18 months for a solid result.  With already an established (but bad) first transplant, the second transplant should look quite good 6 months in.  So 6 month wait + 6 months of second HT, I think you'll be looking quite good in 12 months from now.

Thanks mate that is encouraging. All I gotta do is nail the next one so I can at least look fit for public display.

 
Rahal is looking good.

6 hours ago, blackislback said:

That's good, if you are TR citizen, it's then easier deal with them. Yes, that will be good too, to try find way fix it...

Even by legal side, it's very difficult after 7m proof about anesthesia type they used, if you were sure that time it was analgo-sedation, should immediately do checking of your blood by labaratory, as there leave tracks of such analgo-sedation medication used, but after 7m very difficult proove, else your words, and you know how it's going on when word vs word.

About results, hm, at every clinic you sign agreement, which you read, where they clearly write "we don't guarantee about results, as this is esthetic surgery"  , signing this doc = they are absolute protected, so no much tools to fight with them about this part, as many of them will misuse things like saying "your blood not well, your skin not well" etc etc. , but they could see this if checked blood and skin type before surgery, what many of them not do it...

Frankly speaking very difficult deal with them, but don't give up anyway, specially cause you are TR citizen too, hope things will change better, and will be at least better growth in your case, as understand it's very difficult deal with it, without their support, and most of such hairmill clinics are 0 support, else those coordinators, who are not at all medical staff, and most of them are knowledge level of repeating in advance learned few template sentences , like "pls wait 12m, its normal that no growth after 7m, wait 5m more, etc." it's just buying time, and make client calm down, even reality is usual if no result good in 7-8m, difficult expect later... At least they could by moral side, response by doctor, invite you for meeting, check your scalp, blood, offer some fix, 2nd surgery , refund money , or whatever, even i would never do 2nd ht by them, if they did 1st time bad, cant expect magic at 2nd try.

It’s my word against theirs. Not sure how I could prove this. 

To your point, If they had just taken the time to ‘consult’ and provide post op care I’d be at least appeased and wouldn’t have bothered airing my grievances, but constantly hearing ‘give it another 6 months’ after dishing out thousands of Euros is insulting. It’s turning into a proper headscrew within every aspect of my life being impacted (including work).

Theres no way in hell I’m going back to these guys. I’ll see what happens but again to your point laws in Turkey aren’t designed to protect consumers in such scenarios. 
 

i just hope others take heed and tread carefully when dealing with this clinic, as I clearly did not.
 

ugh

7 minutes ago, AZ67 said:

if he was completely sedated during incision process, then how can he be sure that Dr Koray Erdogan indeed did the incisions ???

This is the biggest question mark I have. If you look at my first pic, my hairline forms a strong ‘J’ pattern then tapers off at the left temple. It’s almost like somebody completely different stepped in at the point due to the inconsistency (although there’s now way I can prove it as I was well under by that point).

this result is really starting to mess with my head (no pun intended)

2 minutes ago, blackislback said:

That's called analgo-sedation it knocks you out too and not remember anything from moment it's applied to moment they wake up you, it's intra-venous done, but not general-total anesthesia, as 99% of clinics will not take responsibility to do general-total anesthesia, specially no for estethic surgery, analgo-sedation is less danger, but still can be danger, if not done prior to such type anesthesia many checkings, like blood, coagulation time, alergo-checkings, plungs checking, heart checking etc. , so even they did analgo-sedation for you is ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE, as they exposed you to many risks, if i was on your place, will engage good lawyer, and if you have some friends in Instabul, even local lawyer, inspection for your case, as telling will be local anesthesia and then perform analgo-sedation is really bad thing.

Sad to see your story, but it's not 1st asmed failure of HT, if you researched HRN , you could see few more cases failures there, it happens cause there not often doctors perform most important parts of HT, like extraction graft + opening channels, but low-skilled with low experience doctors, or technicians, it happens at most of clinics where 5-10-15-20x per day surgeries performed, difficult to expect, to have 10x good doctors, as good doctors is difficult to pay owner-Koray Erdogan, and good doctors usual open own clinics, Koray Erdogan is there just to put his photos on bilboards and make big artifical false smile on their website, yt, fb, inst. and to see patient 5-15 mins, eventually draw hairline and dissappear, same as your memory disappeared after non-allowed analgo-sedation by them.

But try be patient few months ago, if no bigger improve after 8-9 months, then try some channels press them to react and find root of problem and find some fix for you.

I’m a dual Turkish citizen living overseas and have family members in country who practice both law and other branches of medicine. Will look into this seriously.
 

greatly appreciate the insights 

4 minutes ago, AZ67 said:

On second picture it says 3600 on your scalp. But you said you had 3500. So did they implant on you 3500 instead ?

Total count was 3617 according to the papers given.

37 minutes ago, Egy said:

Asmed answered only in the threads of patients whose transplant (fortunately) went well, they never intervened instead in those threads where the transplant failed, then, when this was pointed out to him, they  stopped commenting on the good ones too. @FrustratedTry to open the threads of your experience also on the European forums, you will see that within a few hours, your thread will be deleted.

We’ll if they don’t respond then that shows unprofessionalism and lack of ownership on their part which can only harm their reputation.

at the very least people here who read my post are hopefully more informed about Asmed and that even paying top dollar for a supposed globally renowned surgeon doesn’t automatically mean a successful result. 

Hope you have better luck with Asmed than I did mate. 

3 minutes ago, Egy said:

There are many options for a repair, in Europe such as Feriduni, Mwamba, De Freitas, you have time, forget Hong Kong.

Thanks I’ll add these to the list.

Travel is a big issue that’s why I’m considering local. 2 to 3 weeks quarantine which I pay for when I return home (between 2.5 to 4K just for quarantine accommodation).

more problems 🙄

9 hours ago, 5BetaReductase said:

Very sorry to hear about this.

 

you said you know who you are going to for repair. Who will that be?

Appreciate the empathy mate. This is really tough to deal with on so many levels. I can’t work (client facing consultant), social life is screwed, self confidence shattered, surgery not standing by client. Can’t shave or grow out (both look ridiculous).

anyways, seriously considering HLC for a repair. Or I may look into DHI clinic here in Hong Kong. 

I have 6 months of waiting so plenty of time to perform some in-depth research. But sucks that I won’t have a solid result for another 18months or so now 😞

@AZ67Ok here are the pics I could salvage from the usb they gave me. Most of the photos were corrupt and couldn’t be opened once I got the stick home (see the bottom photo is cropped with grey - others are completely corrupt).

you can clearly see it’s their surgery. 
 

5 minutes ago, Egy said:

Also you hope they don't try to sue you like they did with member @dust78

Please tell me this is a joke

2 minutes ago, Fue3361 said:

A clinic should never fully sedate you without informing you and getting authorization.  
 

i actually was fully sedated for my procedure, but knew of this months in advanced.  I even had to pay 600 dollars extra for the anesthesiologist.

 

Anesthesia is no joke. 

 

Is it possible you were half sedated (mild sedation, not full) and simply fell asleep for the whole thing?

Trust me I was knocked out

Just now, Frustrated said:

Not surprised

5 minutes ago, Ajamilo said:

@ASMEDMANUALFUE is always quiet when pasients share bad experiments or bad result on here. They are fools who should not be taken seriously

Not surprised