James

2 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

You were never a good candidate, and that was the doctors error for performing surgery. Don’t take this the wrong way, but it has to be said. You may have a case of body dysmorphia. I don’t believe any reasonable person would look at these photos and see anything other than a guy with a ton of hair. High expectations + poor counseling= disappointment.

I’ll say this, you don’t need surgery, and more surgery isn’t gonna make you happier. I could definitely see you getting another surgery and then vehemently complain about the appearance of your donor, or how it looks when it’s wet. Hair transplants are not perfect. If no surgeons gonna tell you, I’ll say it. Don’t get surgery, we have nothing to gain by telling you the truth here. 

Regardless of it I was a good candidate or not I can't leave it the way it is now.

8 hours ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

To be honest, it’s 6 months still early, and it looks like you’ve spread the hair apart. 
 

Guys,

Let’s be very careful before trashing surgeons calling them scammers. This is not what our forum is about, personally I don’t know this surgeon or his skill, but let’s be respectful. 

This photo was pre-surgery.

3 hours ago, TEXAN35 said:

 

And as people might have said we are our own worst critics. To me your hair doesn't look that unnatural or that you had a transplant, not at least from pics.  Not sure if people who are close you notice that..

If its not that bad I would say do not rush into corrective procedure so quickly and wait for some time. It will give you a better idea of any possible progression of your hair loss and maybe a different perspective from now. Extremely localized transplant is not great idea in early 20s unless you are sure that you do not have progressive MPB in your genes.  Personally I feel its better to ward off procedures to later years if possible.   

I don't actually think it look that unnatural at all, despite all the multi grafts. More of an issue of me walking around with a super noticable thin patch that I have to constantly hide.

5 hours ago, 1978matt said:

6 months is too early to start trashing the doctor.  From my own experience the hair is still wiry and slightly unnatural looking at this stage and needs time to 'mature'.

The outdoor photo doesn't look too bad so far.  Indoor, under lights, is always going to look the worst.

It's still see through and it's not getting and thicker, plus the doubles and triples on the hairline

8 hours ago, Curious25 said:

Is that your current hairline now ? Or before surgery? Or before onset of hair loss? 

Now

Just now, Gasthoerer said:

I was looking at you initial pics! On this particular pic it looks (! not saying you do !) like you try to make it look worse, by parting the hair in the affected area. 

Anyway, I am still holding on to my assessment that the main issue is the design. The other issues are critical as well, but easier to fix. 

I get what you're saying, but this what my hair looked like everytime I took my work hat off and it bothered me heavily. As for the design, I have always had a feminine looking hairline. The tiny corner in the right is the only thing he touched and it has always had this look. He might have went a tiny lower than it was naturally but to me it's not as big of an issue as everything else. Thank you though, I like to see everyones perspectives on my situation.

4 minutes ago, Gasthoerer said:

As I also had such a small surgery, I allow myself to address the elephant in the room: 

- Your hairline was developing in a perfect mature and male hairline and your hair looked great

- Your goal should have been to stop the loss by medication and wait

- The biggest problem IMO with your new hairline is not (!) density, wrong angels or multies in the hairline - the problem is, that it is a female type hairline. This is not an easy fix as other say IMO. I think that grafts have to be re-distributed or a complete new hairline below your current hairline has to be built, which I think is not adequate given the position of your hairline. There are several repairs in here where grafts hat to be relocated. 

P.S. Price/graft cannot be assed at such a small surgery. There are a lot of one-offs which raise the price and therefore price/graft goes up. 

 

 

Probably a better show of what I was dealing with before surgery. Definitely not a "maturing hairline"

Any ideas of what I should say to this guy when I see him next lmao. Don't want to start conflict with him but also don't want him thinking I'm happy with this shit haha.

1 minute ago, Gokuhairline said:

so the 2 dudes who make educational videos on youtube are scammers ?

I went to them because everyone loves their videos so much and they happened to also be in my city.

Just now, JohnAC71 said:

So 11.25 per graft ? 😬

There was a theatre fee included in that but yeah yikes

1 minute ago, JohnAC71 said:

OMG 😳 how long was you there for ? 

Started at 9:30 and finished around 1 if I remember correctly

2 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

Honestly can’t see 400 grafts been taken and then placed. Which is a good thing really as it just means less have been wasted. Especially when I hear his nonsense experiences for having to create singles ? They had the whole donor area to find the singles etc they needed yet had to create them from multis ? This situation could have been a whole lot worse actually If you would have asked for more grafts.. 

Guess it's better that way, but he made me pay $4500 AUD for it 😂

6 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

Have you got any pics of your donor area post op ? 

Only ones I could find.

2 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

I can’t even see 400 grafts have been implanted to be honest. I could be wrong though. 

I asked him to go a bit further back as I had started thinning slightly behind the initial hairline as you can kinda see in the first photo. Also keep in mind I only got 300 on that side and 100 on the other side.

1 minute ago, JDEE0 said:

You have a really good head of hair as @Gatsbysays.

I just want to say though that him saying that he couldn't find any singles to extract is a load of rubbish. You most certainly do have lots of singles even if you're mostly doubles/triples etc. Considering that for a full hairline reconstruction lots of surgeons only use 5-600 single grafts, you probably needed less than 100 for your small area. To say he can't find that amount on your virgin scalp is really just a bizarre statement. 

I mean, not that there's anything particularly 'wrong' with slicing grafts to create them singles, it just confuses me he even said that, and it would generally be much more optimal to harvest the finer singles that nature provides in certain areas of the scalp rather than splicing triples etc as these will probably be coarser by default.

Sounds like some sort of cop out to excuse the lack of singles in the hairline before you even began.

Was quite strange indeed, I believe he said he only got maybe 30 singles if I remember correctly.

7 minutes ago, Gatsby said:

If you just turned 22 and he accepted you as a hair transplant candidate then that really makes me angry! 😠 It just shows that Vikram should be banned (again) from practicing. Your hair looks good and with the amount of hair you have you can hide it well. Again if you choose to repair the grafts please do lots of research on the best doctors for this overseas. If it's any consolation I was butchered at 18! If you have any questions please stay with the forum as it is incredibly supportive and all the best!

3 minutes ago, JohnAC71 said:

Exactly that. Ethical Drs would have declined you as a patient (under 25 no hair loss) however it’s more than possible a decent clinic would carry out a minor procedure (repair) in a years time. 

I have never left the country before so it is quite daunting to me but will thoroughly research my options. Thank you.

53 minutes ago, Gatsby said:

James can I ask how old you are? Unfortunatley for us Aussies there are no options when it comes to state of the art hair transplant surgery. I live in Melbourne and Knudsen bought the business off Dr Richard Shiell who was a pioneer in Australia decades ago with (out dated) punch graft surgery. Richard Shiell actually did some repair work in removing part of a hair transplant that I should never had been accepted for. Unfortunately the ethics of the long retired Dr Shiell did not flow on to Knudsen and Vikram. Dr Vikram will simply tell you that the doubles and triples are what you see in nature which is completely BS. I live in Melbourne and over the past 37 years I have had consultations with all of the so called 'top doctors' here and it is a scam when compared to the work being carried out overseas. If you type in to Google  'Vikram Jayaprakash' 'New Zealand' and 'Fraud' you will know what I am talking about when it comes to the lack of ethics in Australia.

That aside on a positive note you are extremely fortunate that you have only had a very minor amount of grafts transplanted in the hairline temple area. You have a great head of hair and you are able to tolerate finasteride! As Melvin has said your problems are an easy fix (and your transplant problem is a very common one). However don't even consider letting anyone touch your scalp here. Look at the recommended doctors who are excellent in repair work from this forum. Above all though you really need to let your surgery heal for at least 12 months before you go near it, let alone evaluate it. It requires a year for the scaring, etc to settle. You are more than welcome to DM and I wish you all the best!

Thanks for all the info mate, really helpful. I just turned 22 when I got the surgery around 6 months ago. I'm just really concerned about how many doubles and triples were placed on the hairline and less about the density as I know that can easily be fixed later on. I even remember in the surgery he told me my donor yeilded mostly triple grafts and they had to dissect a lot of them into singles. I wonder where they put them. Anyway I still have my follow up with him soon but I don't think I'll be going back from everything I've been told. Dr Hassons work looks unreal so I'm considering him. The way I wear my hair right now I don't really mind waiting as you probably can't even tell I've lost a hair, but I'm just upset that it looks unnatural now as I would've taken natural recession over a botched surgery. Again thanks for the reply man.

4 minutes ago, JDEE0 said:

It's no disaster by any means, but it's just the result of pretty terrible planning and poor skill really. I know people like their channel on YouTube and it is a decent resource for people, but they're (Vikram and Knudsen) neither established nor particularly skilled HT surgeons.

It's an easy fix, but god don't go back there or to any other place in Aus for that matter as you don't have any decent options in the country. Whether you like flying or not, you're gonna need to go abroad if you want it sorted properly, if it's such a big issue then just get some valium or something and KO yourself for the duration of the flight. This is for the rest of your life remember, so leave it as is for now if you're unwilling to travel and wait until you're prepared to do so is my advice. 

Any places you might recommend? 

1 hour ago, Melvin- Moderator said:

Honestly it’s not that bad, pretty simple fix. Have you consulted with other surgeons to fix it?

I can't leave Australia atm because of COVID and honestly would prefer not to go overseas as I don't like flying. I'm supposed to have a follow-up with Dr. Jayaprakash in a few weeks but I bet he's going to say it's a good result and "my expectations are too high".

Procedure photos and before photos.

I had 400 graft FUE procedure with Dr. Vikram Jayaprakash at the Knudsen Clinic in April 2021. He asked me about my goals and I told him I wanted the small patch on my left temple to be the same density as the rest of my head, and I wanted to be able to wear my normally swept to the side, as for some time I have only middle parted my hair to hide the loss. As I only have minor hair loss and have been on both Finasteride and Oral Minoxidil for some time I thought this would be fine. Since I had the transplant I have had very poor growth and it appears he has planted some very thick double and triple grafts right at the front of the hairline and temple. I'm so disappointed and depressed by the result and mostly either middle part my hair or wear a hat or beanie nowadays. I actually preferred how it looked before the procedure, at least it looked natural. Everyone I tell about this say I should have gone overseas but it's only a little procedure, how do you mess it up so badly? Anyway I think the 400 graft estimate was far too low, especially since only 300 went into the left temple which is my problem area, and 100 into the right temple which had a small amount lost too. I'm at 6 months now but anyone who says I'm randomly going to have a boost of growth is fooling themselves. Any advice or comments would be appreciated! I'll try to post before photos and procedure photos but if there's anything specific you want let me know. Thanks!