pc

edit..REALLY nice

put a big old smile on my face.

thanx

I get a kick out of him.

I think pat should just edit the posts...something like;

"hello, I am a rip off artist that tries to sell you the most assinine stuff and I tell you it grows hair."

if you see me or my website, please give me money...when you do that, I will send you stuff like ben gay and call it something very hair growing and official sounding...

I'll tell you to give it some time so you don't get mad at me for 6 or seven months.

then I'll go and buy myself cool stuff with your money...this is a very good idea and everyone should participate...if everyone participates, I will get like a house and a nice car too"

pat could probably get real some good digs in, ban the account so this idiot couldn't edit it, and we should leave it up and not even lock the thread.

I don't think he'd post too many times after he sees us having fun at his expense

this is a yes and a no answer.

if you live in the new york area, we'll meet and see what could be done

I used to wear just a quarter of an inch of what's called "lace" in front of the rest of my real hair.

this does give a natural hairline, but the lace needs to be no less then a certain density...so, the density behind the lace needs to be at least as dense, otherwise it won't look right...so you might not be a candidate even though it's done.

in addition, it takes some practice putting this hairline on and making it look good, since there is no firm body to it.

the best way to make the lace for best appearance, you need to insist on unprocessed hair, which is more comonly known as "european" hair.,

plus, for best appearance, it needs to be made with what's called "bleached knots"...the hair is bleached on the bottom before the knot is tied...hair direction should be staight forward...most techs like to knot the hair in the direction of the style, but this is incorrect.

the knot will shift over time regardless, but it should start out direction forward.

there are also differant types of "blend" which is used in the front to get a more whispy appearance.

then the method of securing the lace is an issue.

we had that issue solved, but I would need to meet with you to show you how to do it, and again, it would take practice

so, long story short, without someone who's done it before to spend time with you, getting the lace prepared, and then showing how to apply it, it's probably not going to happen.

Originally posted by Telephone Man:

Here are my 1 year pics with shots of my scar, the clinic was having trouble finding it!!!

telephone man, that is excellant stuff...what clinic did this work?

how many, how old are you...all that.

great pics!

southcarolina:What brands of hairpieces did you work with and/or which ones do you think are the best?

I've been out of the bussiness for a while, and I don't know who's having them made right.

there are a few "tricks" we use in the entertainment industry that gives an undetectable hairline...this goes much further then the "lace front".

Originally posted by paris_caine:

PC, i guess its possible. i have to tell you, whatever it was, it's so so realistic. and, it IS NOT his original hair. i mean you have to see him in that movie. if its a hairpiece, darn good one. if its HT, some doc did a great job.

Paris.

as I say, it's impopssible to tell a great hairpeice from a hair transplant

there is no way you can tell a great hairpeice from a hair transplant

I used to own a replacement center, and I could even take my clients to get a haircut, and the hair dresser wouldn't know until a later point in his hair cut...we did this for our commercial, and it was live and unrehearsed...the salon allowed hidden cameras and it was un rehearsed.

we even showed the point where he finally discovered the hair peice.

that's why it's amazing to me to see some of the helmits on some of the actors today.

the cost of one of these "systems" is not too much more then a standard hairpeice either

a VERY nice read.

thanx

ya, it's been slowing down tons, thought today is better then it's been

alot I think might be the forum software.

I am not attacking you, all I said is talk is cheap. Rather than push PeterMac to take what most sensible people would see as a legal and financial risk why don't you 'step up to the plate' and do it yourself. You don't want to and I don't blame you - it could prove very expensive

again, and obviously;

nobody could possibly see a legal or financial risk to telling the truth.

sorry

as far as stepping up to the plate and doing it myself, I clearly have, and there is no financial risk what so ever.

statements like yours is nothing more then a convenience which gives some kind of license to withold information that's obviously important to patients in this community

good night skywalker

Originally posted by Skywalker:

dhi doesn't have any right to give petermac permission to discuss anything...this country gives him the permission to discuss it no matter what dhi has to say.

 

if there's a legal madate that prevents his free speech, he has to state that in no uncertain terms, otherwise any failure to disclose what he knows is just a matter pf personal convenience.

 

Well, if you believe all this to be true, why don't YOU, pc, pay a lawyer to draft a legal agreement that YOU, pc, will be liable for all damages and costs that PeterMac would have to pay DHI or other interested parties should he say anything. Of course YOU, pc, will also have to pay for PeterMacs lawyer to verify that the document will work (you have sufficient assets etc.).

 

Talk is cheap.

rediculous post

making a convenient excuse when there is none to be had

there is no liability when you speak about the truth...you'd need protection only if you wanted to lie or decieve.

who doesn't know this?...rather, who makes believe they don't know this?

no legal agreement needs to be drawn

sorry.

but it is convenient to say something like that, that's for sure

talk is cheap this is true, attacks are easy to level...this is true too.

as far as I'm concerned, petermac said it all when he said;

It is a shame that someone tried to damage their reputation by making a post such as the one in question.

I would have preferred he was more specific, but he wasn't.

time to retire from this thread.

There is no possible way for me to speculate that it is or is not without my prior three questions being answered

PeterMac, please answer Yes or No.

not fair...I'd never answer a question yes or no if I thought yes or no was not good enough...I answer questions with my own answers, not the answers of the questioner...I think petermac probably feels the same

if he wants to answer any of these questions he'll answer them with his own answers not ours

Did you post the said email on HLH?

he just told us he didn't post it and doesn't know who did...he also expressed his contempt about the person that made the post

as far as his involvment or lack of involvent with the body of the email;

the email is fact finding, it doesn't matter one stitch if he was involved with the body of the fact finding email...the fact finding email would be sent no matter it was dhi or any other transplant organization, and there can be no fault with any company simpy becuase allegations are made in a fact finding correspondance

all that matters is if after the fact finding was done, what his opinion is of the allegations

If DHI wants to advise me who posted the information in question and give me permission to discuss it then I can make some comments. Until then this is a topic I am not allowed to discuss.

 

Seems pretty clear to me, you need to be asking DHI to give legal sanction to PeterMac if you want to know more. I suggest you ask them

dhi doesn't have any right to give petermac permission to discuss anything...this country gives him the permission to discuss it no matter what dhi has to say

if there's a legal madate that prevents his free speech, he has to state that in no uncertain terms, otherwise any failure to disclose what he knows is just a matter pf personal convenience.

personally, I think dhi should come in here to add to this conversation.

that would be interesting indeed

most important though hairbethere;

do you believe the allegation in the email are supportable

no matter who he worked for, no matter how sterile the procedures, anyone would have questions to ask if allegations are made by outside parties

the outside parties might have an agenda, but if they raise a safety issue, an email of that sort is standard procedure

allegations are common in competitive business.

'

but are the allegations supportable...this is really all that matters

(in my humble opinion)

I agree that his involvment or non invovlment shouldn't be swept under the rug

I have to agree that his answers were still plays on words...but I took his words to mean that dhi is vindicated of the allegations in his opinion.

let's see if petermac wants to come back and have an ernest discussion answers more on point

Originally posted by Forum Moderator and Satisfied Patient:

I am personally interested in knowing if the contents of that email were, indeed, written by PeterMac while he was employed by that company.

 

I don't care nearly as much that another party obtained the email and posted or not. Whistleblowers are always chastised for seemingly less-than-ethical actions but they are mostly done for a greater good. Remember the saying "you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette?"

 

So, Petermac, why don't you just answer the question that everyone is asking? Did you or did you not compose that email? I have never seen a more simple question dodged more efficiently by any one person since Bill Clinton.

 

-Robert

I have a differant opinion;

it doesn't matter to me one bit if petermac composed the email.

all that matters is if the allegations in the email are supportable

if they are, I'm glad the email was posted.

if they are not, then I am appalled that the email was posted

from the following;

It is a shame that someone tried to damage their reputation by making a post such as the one in question

I think it's pretty clear petermac believes the contents are not supportable.

I would have rather he made a statement either way, but for this quote I speculate.

looks like great progress!

thank you for that information petermac...

my faith in your good will is restored, and you now have my opology

I believe Farrel said you were banned from HLH because you used an invalid e-mail address. Nothing more, nothing less.

this would make sense, and I was full prepared to make an opology to farrel. as the incorrect email address would be a fine reason for limiting my account

HOWEVER;

I just checked that account and the email address is valid.

in addition, he called me a liar and said that the account wasn't restricted though he knew it was

never the less, I will still accept that this was a board or protocol issue...I am very understanding...but he needs to opoligize to me for his immature response and for calling me a liar when he made that post.

I can't change the email address since I'm banned, and it's still valid there, so his excuse isn't quite holding water.

never the less, I am now convinced you weren't responsible, and I give you my opologies for thinking you were

It is a shame that someone tried to damage their reputation by making a post such as the one in question.

this is the kind of comment I was hoping you'd post petermac, and now you've done it...thank you.

it doesn't say whether or not you believe the contents of the email are unsupportable , but it goes a long way

you could have also made a post that indicated you weren't happy with dhi and I would have been equally satisfied

all that I thought was that is was important to comment on one side or the other regarding this issue from the person named in the email.

you've given the kind of response you're confortable with and I thank you, and I'll be happy to avoid comment on this matter again.

however, alot of damage that dhi has suffered from that post would have been avoided if you had made your comment as soon as you saw the thread with that email petermac.

though I really think you need to be more specific...I think more along the lines "to my knowledge and my experience with dhi I believe the contents are not supportable", or "to my knowldege and experience with dhi I bbelieve the contents or charges in the email can be supportable."

but I guess that's asking too much

in any event, my respect is somewhat restored in you and your good will

I am more sorry then you know that I caused you disstress, and wish it didn't happen

though I think I'll share the blame with you, I think the type of comment I indicated should have been made immediatly and not after all this while.

now the damage to dhi is done...can they recover?..who knows.

good luck to you petermac...I hope we talk again

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You repeatedly attack me, but refuse to reveal yourself or your motives for attacking me or why this is distressing to you.

1) you're not paying attention..I don't continue to attack you, this thread is long old as far as I'm concerned...I avoid this entire situation...I respond to the issue as it's presented...why are you saying I continue to attack you?...you reserected this thread, not me...this thread is dead and you you resurected it yet refuse to address the questions that need to be answered by you

you have some nerve telling me I continue to attack you.

now,I have ALWAYS said who I was and why this is disstressing..go back and read my response to anyone every time this is asked,,,the answer hasn't changed.

I'll say it again;

I have had a recent ht with dr. feller who I believe is the very best ht surgeon in the world...I think anyone that would leave this country when dr. feller is a drive or plane ride away just has not done the research.

I never knew much about dhi untill the post of that email which invokes your name.

the reason this dhi issue is distressing is that a company's reputation is brought to ruin simply by virtue of an unsubstantiated attack

you have been silent when clearly you need to speak.

now, again petermac, I don't comtinue to attack you...I was hoping the issue wouldn't be brought up again, and here you are doing it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I clearly stated I did not and I do not know who did. Perhaps you should re-read the threads on this subject.

if you said it, I didn't read it..did you forget I'm banned on that site?..you never said it here till now, though I've asked.

I stopped reading anything about dhi on that site when farrel banned me.

now you've said it here, and this is the first time I've seen it...I'll accept this as one of the answers to important questions that need to be answered.

thank you for this answer but there are other important questions whcih you haven't addressed

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>In order for this statement to be accurate Farrel must have access to the IP addresses of both web sites. Farrel doesn't have access to the database of the hair transplant network. Your arguments are absurd.

I was asked before this dhi issue on that board if carlie was pc, I told everyone I was...now, since my comments on the dhi issue, carlies password was refused by the board...I wrote the administrator to see if it was a board issue and received no answer...I created a new account as "carly" with a user name as "not2shabby"...I knew if I was persona non grata, the board would recognize the ip...this account was banned as well, as you can see from the screenshot I posted....too simple, and telling that farrel chose to call me a liar on a board he knows I can not respond

all this was made clear before, you're just not paying attention to anything but what you want to post.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>In order for this statement to be accurate Farrel must have access to the IP addresses of both web sites. Farrel doesn't have access to the database of the hair transplant network. Your arguments are absurd.

how obsurd...it doesn't take "omniscience" to figure out what's common knowledge...it's obvious how he knew who I was...pay attention please.

the screenshot says it all, I am banned for no other reason, as proven unequivicalbly, and he has the GALL to make beleive he didn't do it...well then who did? you?

he even told his public to "cut and paste" what he had to say...he knew when he made that request that I couldn't post there

why didn't he come here and bring up the issue?

now, petermac, you need to stop avoiding the issue;

if as you say, you have nothing to do with the illegal posting of the email;

do you believe the contents of the email are supportable?..or do you believe the contents are not supportable

if you've been given a legal mandate, if you've legally been forbidden to speak on the matter say so in no uncertain terms...othewise refusing to comment just conveient.

until you have answers to those very important questions, I have no choice but to hold you in judgment of allowing the smear campaign go forward...unethical and deceptive by every definition of those terms.

In another thread I did state I have no authority to comment on the thread you mentioned. It is my understanding that DHI is aware of who started that thread. If DHI wants to advise me who posted the information in question and give me permission to discuss it then I can make some comments. Until then this is a topic I am not allowed to discuss. My behavior is not deceptive nor unethical. I do not know you and I don't understand why you continue to attack me.

making the statement that you "have no authority to comment" is a very convenient little dance...very few people have "authority to comment" petermac...you have the authority that freedom of speech gives you along with the rest of us.

if you've legally been forbidden to speak on the matter say so in no uncertain terms...none of this little dance of words

this type of statement won't prevent speculation of your involvement though, as it comes far too late if it comes at all

now, I don't continue to attack you, I respond to the issue when it's brought up...I never bring it up...this thread has been dead for some time till you resurected it, and I make it a point to avoid the issue since it's so very distressing to me.

I don't know you ether petermac..I've always clicked on whatever thread I saw you had an answer...you were held in high regard until you did nothing but sit back and watch when this smear campaign was put into motion.

however...as far as your actions with the smear campaign;

when the email was posted, though you are mentioned as a principle, you were silent...this is not acceptable and quite indicative of your possible involvement

you had no comment on the illegal posting of a damaging email which invoked your name

nor the contents, whether the contents were authentic.

nor whether you believed the contents were supportable or simply a claim made by possibly disgruntled associates or competitors

saying "dhi knows who did this" doesn't mean you didn't do it

I'd like to know...did you post that email or are you involved with it's posting?

if you are involved, do you believe the allegations in the email are supportable?

or is your opinion that the allegations are not supportable?

if you have nothing to do with the illegal posting of the email...do you believe the contents of the email are supportable?..or do you believe the contents are not supportable

until you have answers to those very important questions, I have no choice but to hold you in judgment of allowing the smear campaign go forward...unethical and deceptive by every definition of those terms.

IN ADDITION

Ferrel banned me from the site because of my criticism of your behavior in this matter.

how does that sit with you petermac?

tell me petermac...wouldn't YOU critisize this behavior if it weren't you being critisized?

I believe you would...maybe not...I clearly don't know you.

then Ferrel had the NERVE to make believe he didn't ban me...had the GALL to make the comment on his site where I couldn't respond since I was banned, and he had the GALL to call ME the liar.

I guess he doesn't know how easy it is to prove those things true or false.

when I posted proof that the Ban was true, (I had to do it on this site since I'm banned where he called me a liar)....no explanation from him that it must have been some kind of technical issue (which was a convenient out I gave him so he could save his reputation...though I knew it wasn't a valid explanation)

and then obviously as we see, no apology from him for calling ME the liar when I proved the ban...he CLEARLY lied about the entire issue...I wonder why he even brought it up...his image is the worse for it, and the conflict of interest seems apparent

believe me, I have been involved with non disclosure issues....always a convenient excuse to avoid questions that need to be answered.

so long as the questions go un answered, those affected by what would be the answers have to assume the worst in order to protect their own interest.

who would argue with that point?

this is the nature and neccessity of non disclosure

telephone man, sorry to dissagree with your assessment of petermac...until he tells us what needs to be told...as far as anyone can see, he clearly has something to hide in these events...he is named as a principle in the very email.

and a company's reputation has been brought to ruin by the mere accusation.

as far as letting it drop, I have let it drop...I don't bring these things up...I wouldn't comment on the other site, and I didn't start this thread or anything like it...I don't bring these things with dhi up, I just respond when I see people just following the flock because of an unsubstantiated attack.

thank you robert

I sent for some allready, but I'll use it untill my hair kicks in anyway

man,I was REALLY impressed with whay you were able to do with that stuff

I just orderd this to try to get the 5clock shodow look and also cover up my old scars

the rep said this stuff is pretty good at faking the shadow look.

what do you think?

I think you're starting to grow!

give your doctor a visit

welcome to club!

looking forward to seeing those pics too

VERY NICE!

it's funny how all of a sudden since my ht I HAVE to look at the progress of other people.

this had become a very enjoyable part of my day