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On 12/20/2020 at 1:52 PM, plus said:

yeah lol even I want to know. I don't think trico has been studied scientifically. some italian lady came up with some disappearing smp thing which many people have started offering. so it is a gamble i guess. worst case you have to go there every few years and get a refill.

Worst case scenario may be that it never goes away.  Lol

On 12/27/2020 at 7:33 AM, mustang said:

Bro, please don't get SMP

You are clearly completely obsessed with the subject and will obsess daily about the result and make your life a living hell.

Nobody will give you these answers.

Mine never faded completely after 4 years. It's still there and it turned blue. Thankfully I did it on the side of my donor to test before doing it on top. It was done by a Dr. Not an SMP practitioner. 

 

Thank you!

I'm sorry it turned blue.  Did you get SMP or Trichopigmentation?

6 minutes ago, Gatsby said:

Actually it's not. You would think that after 2 or 3 touch ups you would be left with a head covered in black ink! Caitlin uses microscopic glasses and it's more of an art. I'm actually having a touch up in February.

Makes sense.

I would love to get Trichopigmentation for my Norwood 6 scalp.  I called Milena Lardi 4 times.  I wanted them to show me scientific literature on how the ink is expelled from the body through macrophages.  They could not or would not.

Talk about the 'density' look.

LOL

On 9/30/2020 at 5:46 AM, Gatsby said:

Many thanks follically challenged. I had my SMP done after a lot of research by Caitlin James at Scalp Micropigmentation Australia. It does last though the length of time can depend on how well you look after it (from the sun, etc). I had it performed nearly four years ago and it's probably ready for a touch up. If you Google her you will see a lot of work on scars, etc. Caitlin also worked for many years (while performing SMP) as a hair transplant tech so she really understands how hair should behave, even at a shaven level look.

You look great, but how will they touch up your scalp?  Isn't it hard to put new ink in the exact same spot as the faded ink?

Looks fantastic!

Jokes aside, where does the ink go after Trichopigmentation?

Does the ink go to the lymph nodes?  Does the ink leave the body completely?  Nobody seems to know.  Customers are not demanding answers.

1 minute ago, SingaporeHairTransplant said:

Thanks bro.

Honestly, when I shave my head right down with a blade, to me it looks just the same as it did before the surgery. This is a big relief for me.

Dr Harold Ma in Singapore.

I am still in month 2 of recovery, so I will share full photos at 6 months to share if the procedure worked. I am hoping for a high graft survival rate, but cannot tell yet.

At least if it fails, I know that I can just continue shaving my head without worrying about scars. 

I certainly wish you the best! 

Good Luck!

1) Thank you so much for posting these photos of your donor area.  I was very concerned about how FUE scars in the donor area would look after the extracted donor area healed.  It looks fantastic!  I am a daily head shaver, and I can honestly say that your shaved donor area looks identical to my shaved doner area.....AND I HAVE NEVER HAD A HAIR TRANSPLANT.  LOL😊.

2) Your doctor was the only one who touched your scalp, and he literally counted out loud the number and quality of each graft during surgery?  Wow! Talk about transparency!  Very impressive! 

What is the name of your surgeon, if you don't mind?

14 hours ago, Melvin-Moderator said:

I’m pretty sure there was a recent poster who said it does completely fade. Perhaps @hairthere can chime in.

Thanks, Melvin!

I'm concerned about how the macrophages eat up the pigments.  Milena Lardi stated that the pigments are centrifuged and filtered in a siliconic membrane in the size of only 15 microns.  She said the macrophages can eat up particles that are smaller than 20 microns.  I would like to know if the pigment/siliconic membrane will remain in the body even after the ink has disappeared from the scalp.

23 hours ago, kirkland said:

I would say yes but not on the timeline that SMP providers often suggest.

You've been a great resource whom I very much appreciate.  Regarding the safety of Trichopigmentation, are you aware of any data or scientific proof of how the pigment particles are supposed to be only 15 microns which is why it gets eaten by the macrophages and eventually expelled by the body?

I wish there were some verifiable data available to inquiring minds.😞

Thanks again.

On 9/28/2020 at 4:12 PM, kirkland said:

Tricopigmentation is the temporary version of SMP. Anyone who claims that it fades completely away in 2-3 years is not being honest. I had trico done over 5 years ago and, while the pigmentation has faded, it is still present and very much visible on my scalp. If you are considering the treatment, please know that there are risks involved. For one, as mentioned, the ink does not fade away in a few years. It could very much remain visible for many years. You could have a laser treatment to remove it but that also comes with a risk as lasers, if not done correctly, can damage the dermis and native hair. In addition, your skin type could react negatively to SMP. If you are fair skinned and prone to redness, you could develop Post-Inflammatory Erythema (PIE) in the areas that were treated. This leaves a red 'blush' due to the trauma of the treatment itself. That blush may never completely fade. I have been in contact with at least two other people who had SMP and developed PIE (including myself). The common factor was skin type. 

Thanks for the info!  If you don't mind my asking:

* Did the practicioner's needle go deeper than 0.5 mm?

* Did you have it done in the U.S.?

Thank you!

For those who have had Trichopigmentation, can you say for certain that the ink will eventually disappear COMPLETELY if it is not maintained or will SOME ink still remain on the scalp?

tanner1987, 

Did you get Trichopigmentation or SMP?

Isn't Trichopigmentation the temporary tattoo that is performed with only a 0.5 needle?

On 11/6/2019 at 5:58 AM, MilenaLardi said:

Hello Azazelgs,

I'm here to fully answer your questions once again. This way, all other interested users will have the opportunity to be informed about this issue too.

As you write, you asked us for a particularly dark tricopigmentation. To achieve this, you have undergone numerous sessions, more than it is normally necessary, and you have achieved the desired result. After a while, for the reasons that you explained, you changed your mind and wanted the tricopigmentation to disappear quickly. We have shown you all the possible ways to accelerate the natural process of pigment reabsorption (sun exposure, horsehair glove, chemical peeling etc.) and we have proposed a "in negative" treatment. For those who do not know, the in negative treatment consists in the realisation of point deposits of a skin colour pigment above the dark pigment. It is a procedure that we usually carry out on those who turn to us to correct a tricopigmentation poorly performed elsewhere. Thanks to the in negative sessions, your tricopigmentation has become much lighter and, just as you write, the result has become much less perceptible.

Now, at this point, both you and we have done everything we could to help you achieve what you wanted. To make sure that what's left of your tricopigmentation ends up disappearing, you have only two options: to wait for the reabsorption process to complete itself or to undergo laser sessions. 

With regard to the spontaneous reabsorption process, as we have repeatedly pointed out to you, the duration of this phase varies from person to person, depending on the characteristics of the immune system and on some factors such as the number of sessions carried out. In your case, since you required a dark treatment, several sessions were carried out and, consequently, the reabsorption time is longer. In any case, the pigment is made specifically to disappear over time. As Hairthere explained in an answer to an old post from you, the pigment filtration process only allows the selection of particles that are smaller than 15 macrons. Since the macrophages of the immune system, i.e. the cells responsible for the elimination of foreign bodies, are larger than 15 macrons, then they are able to phagocyte and thus eliminate the pigment particles. This is why we talk about temporary and re-absorbable tricopigmentation.

With regard to the laser, we don't know the Dutch company you're talking to, but we can assure you that the answers they've given you are absolutely incorrect. They are probably used to dealing with normal tattoo pigments and do not know the specific characteristics of the tricopigmentation pigment. Our pigment contains titanium dioxide, as you know, since we have provided you with all the certifications in this regard as soon as you have requested them. However, the titanium dioxide contained in the tricopigmentation pigment is filtered so that it is present in minimal amounts and, according to the phagocytosis process described above, can be eliminated by the immune system. In addition, the various particles of the pigment undergo an encapsulation process, which means that they get encapsulated in a gel membrane that shields them from direct contact with the skin tissue. The same applies to iron oxide. It cannot therefore be said that they are "poisonous" or "dangerous" components, to quote the words you used. A laser treatment performed by professionals allows the removal of tricopigmentation without any problem. In fact, in the case of temporary tricopigmentation, precisely because it is already temporary of its own, the laser acts even more easily. 

To conclude, if the issue is really so stringent for you, we recommend the laser, reiterating that it is an effective and safe choice if made by professionals. Otherwise, you just have to be a little more patient and wait for the natural reabsorption process to be completed. We will be happy to answer any further questions you may 

Please allow me to give you my opinion regarding temporary SMP.  I have researched your product for the last 2 years and I'm very interested in your services.  Admittedly, I don't  have a background in chemistry and physiology which makes me very ignorant about the SMP procedure.  I don't have any tattoos and I don't understand how the body processes minerals and pigments.  I really wish there was a way for laymen like myself to understand exactly how temporary SMP works.  Thank you.

I hate to beat an (almost) dead horse, but I really wish Dr. Pak and Dr. Rassman would be willing to elaborate on their comments about how temporary SMP may migrate to other organs in the body.

It would really, really be helpful if any doctors on this forum would also be willing to opine on this topic.  I think many of us on the 'temporary SMP fence' would strongly appreciate your inputs.

On 1/10/2017 at 3:25 PM, NicH0le007 said:

 

 

 

The body will break down iron oxides in the same way they breakdown iron supplements. When iron oxides are introduced into the body in small amounts they will absorb them in the same way. It's why women who are pregnant are not allowed to get permanent make-up (which is made up of mostly iron oxide pigment) because the body will absorb the iron in the pigment and they will not retain any color. It's also why if patients who have high levels of pigment rejection are asked to get their iron levels checked.

 

 

As far as safety of the pigments are concerned: Beauty Medical is one of the only companies (if not the only) who has released a full list of ingredients that their pigments are made up of, as well as, the full manufacturing process. You will not get this with any other pigment company. Most will just tell you that their pigments are made of "propriety ingredients". Beauty Medical pigments are also manufactured in the EU which has much stricter and more highly regulated protocols for ingredients, manufacturing, and labeling of pigments than any other country in the world.

 

 

There is no medical evidence that supports dr. rassmussens claim. And, again I invite him to release the ingredients of his pigments.

Do you mind printing the ingredients in Milena Lardi's pigments?

Thank you.

On 10/11/2019 at 7:09 AM, hairthere said:

I inject at a depth of approximately .5mm. This will place it in the upper dermis keeping the dots nice and compressed so they appear like shaved hair stubble. 

Is it true that temporary ink does not always disappear?