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Gasthoerer,

Risk-wise you have a point and I understand that. I truly do. Because I made that mistake myself. An aggresive-straight hairline while I'm still losing hair... And I regret it now. Having nightmares over it!

But I still don't think it applies to this case. If you look at OP's hair line, it's V shaped. (like widows peak?) It starts low but goes higher on temples.

Anyway if his hairline was brought forward, It would've been more straight. What I meant by his 'natural hairline' was that the hairline he kept before HT.

Judging by his before photos, he had a strong hairline. It wasn't totally gone. He kept most of it. I still don't think they could make it any higher. How could they raise a hairline that is there already?

Anyway no hard feelings. I know I sound like an ass sometimes. I hope I didn't offend you in any way. Let's hope it works out well for OP!

I think you just have very fine hair. Considering more than 4000 grafts were taken from your donor area, it still looks good to me! You still might have another 2k in the bank which means your donor is not really weak at all. I wouldn't call it strong either but very normal. But hey, this is just my opinion. I'm no expert

The only issue with Dr. Keser as he was rejected by HTN was because of his manual extractions outside universal donor area. I hope he resolved this issue as it was quite serious though.

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/139030-potential-recommendation-dr-abdulmuttalip-keser-turkey.html

 

PS. I have never heard of Dr. Resul Yaman!!! Has anyone experienced his work?

Thanks Hariri! It was an interesting read. I didn't know Dr. Keser had that kind of issue before. Quite shocking. Really suprised me. Never seen him doing it on Turkish patients :eek:

Unfortunately I'm not familiar with Dr. Yaman He has a few cases in these forums though.

By the way if you don't mind me asking; I couldn't find your photos after you had surgeries with Dr. Doğanay & Dr. Karadeniz. Have you not posted them like you did with Dr. Rahal?

I think I might have to follow the same route as you did in the future...

I've had my HT 2 months ago but I am already regretting it. Hairline is too straight and a little (less than a cm) lower than it should've been. Even though it's a very minor problem and I have yet to see any results I'm sure I will not be happy in the end. Besides I can already see they have planted some doubles on my hairline... F**** techs I'm telling you

In the future I might try electrolysis to reshape it. Or just pluck it till unwanted hairs die. They say plucked hairs grow back. But few years ago I got rid of my widows peak just by over-plucking it. I think it works with me :confused:

Anway the looks of our hairs probably don't mean much to people around us but only us. I'm a perfectionist just like you. Hell I might be even obsessive!

Anyway... I've been wondering why you went with FUE instead laser or electrolysis for your graft removals.

Are you happy with the results?

Hey Alex, just checked your first HT with that clinic called Sante. No way in hell they transplanted more than 1500 grafts. It might be even lower than 1000 grafts. What a scam artist that doctor is! Still, consider yourself very lucky. At least they did not waste your precious grafts. You lost some money but that's it. Could've been a lot worse. Now you are on the right path my friend

Are you from Montenegro?

Do you know what Keser charges per graft?

Yes. He charges €3.5 per graft.

I see his name a lot on this forum but there are very few examples of his work on here and even less documented cases from beginning to end.

 

Also, if he can only do 500 grafts per day and I need 4000 grafts, I am not up for being in a chair for 8 days!

Are you talking about Keser? If you need 4000 grafts, he will turn you down anyway. He is very selective.

If you need 4000 more or less and are not up for being in a chair for days then go with Dr. Erdoğan

If you think Dr. Erdoğan is selective than you have not met Dr. Keser

ASMED gets lots of NW5 / NW6 patients. Erdoğan will turn you down only if you have a weak donor. He likes to work with high numbers so...

Just my 2cents. While researching was impressed with Erdogan and Kesers results.

 

What put me off having a HT in Turkey was the grafts numbers quoted. Which seemed excessive for the area being covered.

 

I’d rather pay slightly more and preserve my precious donor.

This is true for most but not for all. Keser and Pekiner work with lowest numbers possible.

Go with Keser. He is better than Erdoğan when it comes to create natural looking hairlines imo.

Can't you see they did NOT lower OP's hair line? Agressive-Conservative debate does not apply to this case.

I don't know what those clinics told you but I don't think it is smart idea to 'higher' a natural hairline. I mean even if it's possible. Who the f*** does that? :confused:

You say low hairlines might look weird when you are older. First of all, OP's hairline is not really low. It's a perfectly normal hairline. Between 5.5cm-6.5cm (sorry for the metric system) is considered normal not low.

Besides, have you ever seen an old person with a low hairline? I have... It looks great! Just google.

Man, you are either ugly or good looking lol. Your hairline being 5.5cm or 6.5cm does not really make a difference on that.

Still, let's say they gave OP a more conservative hairline (which wouldn't have looked natural on him anyway). How many grafts do you think he would've saved? 500 or 1k? Do you think It would make a huge difference in the future? I don't think so.

If he grows that 4k grafts with high survival rate. He probably won't need that 1k that he could've saved. Even if he DOES, I'm sure he still has at least 2k in the bank Plus OP has stated he was on propecia before and it worked out well for him. He also said if he kept losing hair, he would start taking it again. PROBLEM = SOLVED.

I do not understand why some of you guys are pretending like OP is destined to be a NW7 in the future while he is clearly not. I think some people here confuse negativity with reality.

If you have a low hairline like OP and a stronger donor as you say then I would say go for aggressive hairline. Aggressive = beautiful.

Always good to have a new member and one from a country so heavily asked about. Sounds like your thoughts are much the same as the consensus that already exists on this forum, Erdogan and Keser are the premier surgeons and then it gets riskier from there but it'll be great to have you as a resource as you'll probably see more of the work first hand from all these Turkish clinics than many of us would get to. Pekiner is going to be an interesting name to follow, I haven't seen a lot of his work but his reputation is building. Have you seen many of his patients in person? if so what did you think of his work and design? there are few clinics doing bodyhair and he offers it so he could be an affordable option for many considering that route one day.

Hi mikey thanks for the warm welcome.

Pekiner's work reminds me of Keser. As far as I know, he worked with Keser before HLC Clinic. So It's quite possible he learned a lot of things from him.

I think he started his own clinic like 5 months ago so I've yet to see his 'finished' work. I've seen only one of his clients in person and he looked fine for just 4 months. There are few other guys at bellicapelli forums who had their HT's done by him. They are updating their situations monthly. You could keep an eye of his work at there.

It's too early to speak about his success rate but he looks very promising. I guess only time will tell.

Thanks again Turk, I feel the same way. Finasteride has always worked really well for me too, so I hope I’ll be lucky enough to not experience excessive hair loss in future now. Fingers crossed anyway!

 

Have you had a HT yourself?

Yes my friend I had mine just 2 months ago. I've a low hairline by nature (at least what I've kept of it till now) just like yourself. However the problem with my new hairline is; its going to be too straight for my likings. I wish I had it done like yours (you know more of a V shape) But whats done is done I can not do anything but wait for the outcome. If I don't like it, I will get it fixed. It's not end of the world you know. Its 2018 and I've seen miraculous repair HTs. Besides I don't think mine would be hard to fix so I'm not stressing about it that much

OP you should've asked for this. Punch out your natural hair line and have them placed at the back of your head or something I'm sure you would've looked just fine when you were 80 years old

Thanks Turk, I’m pleased with it. Dr Yaman wanted to keep it in line with the hairline I had retained, we didn’t bring it forward, just filled in where the line had thinned and really strengthened in behind.

Your hair line looks fine. Not too aggressive, not too conventional. It is perfect. You will look perfect with this even when you are 50.

Regarding future hair loss; I'm sure you still have at least another 2K grafts left at your donor area. So even if your crown gets thinner as you get older, you could always get a second surgery to fill it. And then you will be set for life

The design of your hair line looks absolutely fantastic

Spot on Hariri! You are right about about pretty much everything you said. There are a few good clinics charge as less as €1500 per session run by technicians. But cosmetics or not this is a serious surgery and I believe doctors must do the most work. This is why I'm only recommending doctors. But I know few technicians that are more talented than actual doctors as well. Though it just doesn't seem right for me to make such recommendations.

By the way I've seen few people from here went to IOH Clinic. All the work is done there by technicians and price is quite high for it (€1.5 per graft). And I've seen only bad results from them. They are very problematic when it comes to refunds as well. I could go on and expose all the bad shit about most clinics in Turkey here but I don't want to get myself in legal trouble later on over nothing. So I'm not going into details much

About HLC; I should've mentioned that they are based in Ankara and they don't have branch in İstanbul. As far as I know they charge €2.5 graft. Maybe €3.5 is their BHT price? Anyway I would rate them below Dr. Keser & Dr. Erdoğan. I believe these two are the true pioneers of HT in Turkey. Everyone else here comes after them not before. If I was willing to spend €2.5 per graft I would've definitely went to ASMED but If they rejected me due to weak donor? Then I would've definitely taken my chances with HLC. You should check their videos on Youtube.

Esthetica is notorious but there are waaay worse trust me Such as Arena Med.

Dear Turk

 

Merhaba, I like your message as you mentioned good names. However what do you think of Dr. Serkan Aygen. I have seen loads of outstanding live results, also one of the good ex technicians of one of the recommended Turkish doctors in this community worked with Serkan lately and said loads of great stuff about him.

 

My cousin has reached to 9 months post OP and amazed me with the quality of his transplant, I was blown away really. However he insisted that Dr. Serkan works on him personally.

Hello Hariri! Merhaba dostum. I've heard of Serkan Aygın but I've not seen many of his work therefore I do dot have much to say about him. He is not very popular in Turkey amongst Turks. I think he gets lots of Arab and Italian patients. Correct me If I'm wrong but as far as I know doctor himself does not do much in the surgery and let his technicians do the work.

That being said he has many impressive HTs at the bellicapelli (italian) forums. U might wanna check it out

Hariri, I'm happy you stopped by and said hi. I've been lurking for a long time and I'm aware of your HT journey. I'm very curious about repair HTs and I've read about your journey here. You are a true HT vet.

I was close to booking Dr Demirsoy. I believe he is a great surgeon, I shortlisted him from a few other turkish doctors. He is ethical and responsible so definitely consider him.

Speaking of ethics he does not accept Turkish patients despite being a Turkish citizen and working in Turkey

... and nobody knows why. I've a guess but oh well

So who would you recommend?

Depends on what you are looking for. If your hair loss isn't that bad and you are only looking to restore your hairline or fill your crown; I would definitely recommend Dr. Keser. He will probably reject you if your hair loss is bad though He does not use any technicians and does it all by himself. Time consuming, but worth it.

If your hair loss is bad then I would say go with ASMED. Dr. Erdoğan is a master FUE surgeon and from what I've seen he has a fantastic staff. Their extractions are super clean. They work with very high numbers but still leave you good looking donor. Dr. Erdoğan's results speak for himself. I think most of you are aware of him anyway. I think both Keser and Erdoğan are fantastic doctors but they work in very different ways that each other. I respect them both very much.

If your donor isn't really strong then you could consider HLC Clinic. They are good at BHT. Also another good thing about this clinic is they are responsible of their work. I've hear of them giving full refunds after bad hair transplants. It is very rare in Turkey. I also think Doğanay is good with implanter pen and BHT. But I've read horror stories about him here so...

Last and least I believe Dr. Pekiner is a promising doctor also but he needs to prove himself since he just left HLC Clinic and now working on his own. I like his work. He works real clean and he does everything by himself just like Dr. Keser. I think he has potential to be a top fue surgeon but only time will tell.

Those are just my honest opinions.

Ok?

 

So you had a transplant just two months ago (with someone no one has heard of) but are here to apparently give out good advice? What value is that?

I don't claim to be a HT expert or anything. But I believe I can provide useful information about Turkey/İstanbul and Turkish doctors/clincs since I've been researching some time now. I

I've seen hundreds of results in Turkish forums which most of you have not heard of. When someone asks for a Turkish clinic, I can provide result photos from other networks etc.

I've noticed some people have been victims of marketing here. So why not help to prevent more people from getting hurt?

OP, sorry to hear that you had a bad HT before. As an Istanbul native, I've never ever heard of a clinic called Sante. How the hell you people find out about those clinics that even we Turks don't know?

I think you have made a good decision by going to Dr. Doğanay. He is very experienced at repair transplants. You will be fine

Guys I’ll level with you. Im a lurker. Im confused. I’ve spoke to someone today who told me they were going to Turkey for a holiday. This aroused my suspicion after digging, he quite proudly said he was going for a HT. He showed me his hair and he was blatantly a Norwood VI at least. Worse than me but not by much. He claimed he has done his research and said he was going with Turkeys no 1 clinic. Can’t rememner the name. It was clinik or something like that, He told me that he’d booked it and was going in Mid March, he’d spoke to the clinic via WhatsApp quite extensively I think but he told me some things that made me smell a rat. The cost was €1950 Euro’s and was going to have between 3000-4000 grafts, stay at the Radison BLU, was going to have a lifetime warranty which meant if any hair falls out he can go back to sort it. He didn’t know if he was having FUE or FUT. He also said they said his donor area (which was weak) could regenerate itself as each client gets a blood platelet plasma injection or something to stop hair falling out. He can choose to have a normal package or a VIP package which means he stays at a better place and other benefits I didn’t ask what.

Whilst not trying to pour ridiculous scorn on what he was saying he also said someone he knows had it done and within 6 months all his fell out presumably because of shock loss but was told by the doctor it was because he’d used the gym too much and should avoid spicy food as the plasma injection thing won’t work properly and you should avoid strenuous exercise for a year!!!

 

Sounds ridiculous. I know. This is my dilemma. He claims he has 4/5 friends who have had done in this clinic and have had fab results which is the only reason why he’s having it done. I’m going to see this work colleague once a month so I told him he’s my guinea pig, but if it looks great how do I know what to believe? Especially if the proof is in his hair? Surely the gym and spicy food thing is a crock of shit?

WTF is this :D:D

Man do not believe these scammers here in Turkey

They will take your money then ruin your lives

You don't need to stay in 5 star hotels etc. Don't let such things fool you. Are you coming on a vacation or for hair transplantation??

There are only few good doctors in Turkey worth having a HT at:

Dr. Keser

Dr. Erdoğan

HLC Clinic

Dr. Doğanay

Dr. Pekiner (left HLC now runs his own clinicI

And maaaybe Dr. Kul (has mixed results and does the extraction with motorized punch so he might fuk up your donor)

I don't wanna go too far and call the rest garbage but you are taking a huge risk with them.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Cool, I thought the `AMA` was the name of a clinic

 

Where did you go for your procedure if you do not mind me asking ?

Did all go ok

 

Thanks

I went to Dr. Tayfun Oğuzoğlu.

It's been only 2 months so there is nothing much to tell but I am not happy so far because I've made a huge mistake by getting an aggressive hair line. It looks too straight.

It's mostly my fault because I wanted it. But I believe as an experienced doctor he should've advised me better and stop me.

If i only knew all these things about HT I know now I would've never wanted it this way. Unfortunately I've done most of my research after my HT

I know I will need a second operation in the future because my hair loss is slow but not stabilized yet so I've been doing a lot of research. I've seen tens of hair transplants (good and bad) of most Turkish doctors/clinics.

So I am here to share precious information about Turkish docs/clinics since I'm such a nice guy

Which clinic do you work for ?

Sorry I thought I mentioned it in my original post; I do not work for any clinic or doctor.

I'm just a regular guy from the maaad city Istanbul

I also had a hair transplant 2 months ago that's why I've been lurking in HT forums here and there

Hello all. I've been lurking in these forums for months now I just thought it was time to stop by and say hi.

As the title says I'm from Turkey. And since Turkey is a such a popular destination for hair transplants due to its cheap prices for you (f***ing TL currency). I've noticed a lot of you guys are coming here to get your scalps ruined by butchers ()

Fear not From now on I'll be answering all your questions with honesty. You can pretty much ask about anything about Turkey that you wonder.

So if you have any questions just shoot