Vult

Ok I am doing a bit of research on Dr. Devroye and apparently he doesn't even use manuel punches.

 

His reasoning:

 

"Indeed, the engine frees one of the hands of the rotation work. The hand so freed focuses much more easily on the orientation of the hand piece and the punch. It also allows to work in normally uncomfortable positions for the hand work. It allows to increase the number of grafts collected in one day. With the hand I reached 1200 grafts a day. With the engine I reach 2000 grafts. It has enabled me to decrease my FUE prices.."

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/169281-ultimate-manual-versus-motorized-fue-thread.html

 

So he values speed and efficiency over quality. This is not someone I would consider seeing, based on my limited knowledge.

Yeah that was his story back then. That automated machine that he built for it. I'd agree that it sounds like the beginning of my problems. Could well be the sole reason why it went worse than it had to. Because as said, I've had extraordinary healing time in aspects of it and took it really healthy. No problems whatsoever other than those cursed holes putting me into the "went bad" category.

Google images, especially with that search query, won't necessarily provide a random sample. Certain people will be more likely to explicitly post pictures of their donor on the internet.

 

And it provides samples from people who have gone to any and all surgeons. Most HT surgeons are bad. I only research results from top or at least recommended surgeons.

Where would you categorize Dr Devroye?

I believe a ratio of people posting pictures is balanced between people doing it out of positive and negative experience. Google displaying all photos put on the internet is a good enough unbiased db to look from. Not perfect but good enough.

I am hence claiming that you are wrong with calling my case especially bad as that will give wrong idea to people reading this. They should take a look at a wide selection of photos and come to a conclusion. Putting my case as "rarely before seen" is wrong and you know it. I'm not even butt hurt by it but just see it as false given the averages seen on the internet.

In the end why is there a consensus that short buzz hair is a no go for hair transplant? One of us is exaggerating.

I'm not cherry picking. The number of bad results does not match the number of good ones.

 

Just look for transplant pictures of guys getting their 2nd FUE. They have pics taken with their head shaved and their donor almost never looks like your's.

Almost never? You've seen plenty of picture of people around so I'm not sure why you'd talk nonsense now. Look at Google db of people donor areas

https://www.google.hr/search?q=fue+donor+area+pictures&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjemMrh4-HOAhVCApoKHQDzAscQ_AUICCgB&biw=1920&bih=955

Don't fool people there are plenty of similar, worse and also better examples.

If you are this upset about having tiny dot scars I can not imagine how you would be with a tattoo'd head. I suggest growing your hair slightly longer maybe to a #1 and moving on with your life. You just have to come to terms with not being able to shave your head, there could be worst things in life.

That's exactly how I'd put it yeah. That's an advice I'd like to take at this point, having came to grips with my current situation fairly well, with an odd ranting forum post here and there but can ya do.

Anyway, thanks for posting pictures. Regarding how to fix it, I imagine SMP would help a lot, but I'm not sure if scarred tissue will take the dye well. If you did go down that route, I would take the advice that you have given to others. Have a test done on a handful of the spots to see what happens.

Yeah, I like to shave bald/very short and supposedly they recommend buzz after SMP? So there's something that could work to my advantage! x)

But indeed, I'll have to take my own advice for it. How much experience do you have with SMPs? I've been contemplating that for a while now. How bad are bad cases?

Oh come on dude...I can empathize with your disappointment, but all cosmetic surgery has risks. You think because a very poor cosmetic result can happen from every type of cosmetic surgery they should all be "forbidden"? I have had 3 successful FUT surgeries and if you would had your way I would have been "forbidden" from having those?

Well if you read through my rant carefully I do conclude that it should be an option to some people. But likewise as you've said it in the end you have a risk factor to contend with, and even if you've done proper research, got a good surgeon (I was convinced Dr Devroye is a good option) you can still end up with a worse situation than you were trying to solve.

Mickey85....Vult states his FUE surgery was 6 years ago.

 

I suppose one might could argue that FUE today has greatly improved and what most doctors were doing with FUE six years ago is light years away from what they do today?

That is the same story I've heard 6 years ago. That it improved over the past years, and while it certainly is a logical evolution of things there is a fine line as to how small punctures can get. So it can never really get more efficient then the minimum draft size allows it.

Anyway, thanks for posting pictures. Regarding how to fix it, I imagine SMP would help a lot, but I'm not sure if scarred tissue will take the dye well. If you did go down that route, I would take the advice that you have given to others. Have a test done on a handful of the spots to see what happens.

 

This is the norm that I see... he had 2000 grafts taken out by Dr. De Reys.

That looks like it would be hard to believe that guy did any FUE at all. Not that I don't believe he did it, but how many of such absolutely perfect cases of FUE are there in comparison with average and/or really bad? [edit: well they're not fully invisible and donor area was taken in "straight" lines as well; but punctures are certainly smaller than my]

I've had a really good post op recovery. All the drafts they implanted on me stayed from that point on. Had 0 hair loss. So I've had luck with non-visual aspects of it at least.

Problem with giving such perfect case pictures is that it gives hope to people, as it exactly did to me 6 years ago, and while there are good and bad cases people should also take a moment to notice the bad ones more carefully as the risk involved could easily put them in that boat as well.

I'm an average healthy guy and I've concluded I should've taken the risk at that point.

Bottom line is that you have a guy there with great results, and me with poor results. We've had the same risk factors involved. So if anyone is going through this post in their research thinking if they should do it or not, compare the photos and realize that your emotions are playing an important role and you are more likely to accept risks that in the end no one will ever guarantee you results of, because everyone knows part of those taking it will fail. And it's quite an awkward thing to fail with, lets not think of it as an acceptable failure. You can live with it, but it adds a few kilos of weight on your back.

You will either contend with your current mediocre happiness of the situation and work toward improving it in moderate steps or you are going all in and getting a fully restored or forever wounded state of mind. I wish you the best in your call!

I agree having the hairline and shadow of a full head of hair makes all the difference in the world with a buzz cut. Granted some people do look just fine without any hair, I am not one of those.

Here's my buzz situation with more than just words hence, 6 years post op.

well I wud suggest that u do more research next time u chose a doctor cause any qualified FUE doctor these days will leave no evidence of scaring even wen ur hair is cut very short so although ur post is pretty funny its also terribly ignorant to anyone new to the hair game and ur so-called ADVICE is utter BS!

 

you unfortunately picked the wrong doctor or technician to perform ur HT. u probably went with the guy that was "CHEAPER" and as a result ur felling quite a bit if regret and adopting the "Misery loves company" approach.

 

well, sorry to burst ur bubble but if u had done ur research and spent the required money you wud not be in the situation ur in trying to "SCARE" ppl into thinking the way ur warped mind thinks....

 

but nonetheless yea u can hide em with SMP usually unless u really got butchered and left u with dimples.

Dr Devroye wasn't exactly the cheapest option, at all. Do you know of anyone that has used SMP to cover FUE scars? As far as making drama on the forum about it, I believe it is necessary so that people can see you can make a grave "miserable" decision/mistake. For the overall balance.

Pictures

I doubt we'll get any pics. I don't know about you guys, but it seems coincidental and suspect that this guy registers and posts this thread soon after this thread was created:

 

http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/184317-buzzing-head-possibility-after-fue-hair-transplant.html

 

Of course he warns against FUT too. To add credibility to his argument and make himself seem unbiased no doubt. But this posts smells like yet a pro-FUT guy trying to push people against FUE. And deny that FUE has any advantages over FUT.

 

Of course it's possible that I'm wrong. But marketing is a very dirty practice.

I understand the first impression I have left but you will see after a few of my posts that I'm marketing normal life for people, without any surgery done at best. But I've done it myself, and we all know there are happy stories out there, so I wouldn't want to try to ruin the option for everyone.

I'll be happy to give my real name to the admin for any cross check.

I appreciate you guys listening to my rant.

Agreed matt,

I've / we have ask more details about his claims & yet to answer.

 

I must admit it do sound shady but always like to give the benefit of the doubt but in the meantime I hope the forom admin can cross check I.P address on both members you mention.

 

I sure hope this member will come back & answer the questions asked him several times, unless at this time I feel there is a hidden agenda.

I can unshade it all. A real person here with a real story. My only goal is to help people and discourage those that should be discouraged. I have nothing to gain here personally. I realize that some people can do the surgery and be extremely happy with it, but none of those can ever have a very short buzz, especially bald. Lets just emphasize that. If someone can manage their continued hair loss with more surgeries and does plan to maintain longer hair for the rest of his life (a couple of mm length does indeed cover FUE) he should certainly consider doing it.

Don't you think that I'm promoting FUT. FUT should be forbidden IMO why, well we've all seen failed FUT attempts. 1 ruined life with it would be enough for me to forbid the whole thing. It's just a Russian roulette then, with a difference that you need to live with it afterwards.

I have zero scars from my FUE. I'm a really good healer normally but was amazed that there is zero evidence of any donor sites.

Zero evidence? So you basically are scar proof? That is impossible. What you meant to say is that it has minimal scaring I imagine.

Please show us close up good evidence of your scar tissue.

Do you know what size punch he or she used to pull grafts out?

Can't recall I'm afraid. It was Dr Devroye, I imagine some of you will know then what size he uses? I'll provide photos little later today.

who pulled the grafts the doctor or a tech/s?

About half of the work he did himself, about half his assistants.

How long ago did you untake a HT?

About 6 years ago.

did you have a good yeild on your transplanted hair?

Yes Dr Devroye's conculsion was that I have a good donor area.

How many FUEs did you have?

About 3000.

Did the doctor advise you that there will be scaring on the donor like small little white dots?

Yes he did, I can't blame him for that. He was precise and up to the point. My problem is the internet and how misleading some people's posts make it seem like eventually it will be ok if you just shave bald or short. I'm just hence stressing that scaring will always be there, as tiny as it is, there's thousands of em and they make a pattern that can be seen. Especially if the donor area is used with straight lines.

On the NW scale, what stage is your MPB?

I'm solid III Vertex these days, was III at the time of surgery.

Last but not least do you mind telling us who your Dr was?

As said hence Dr Devroye.

I see your in your around 36 yrs old so not to bad of age for a HT so your more close to 40than 30 right?

I am 35 years old, was about 29 at the time of surgery. Too young and too much into the early stages of it, I shouldn't have done it, made a mistake.

Please try & answer the questions because if you can not members will be kinda thinking there is something not right of your accusations, just saying.

Did not see replies to this post, sorry for the delay.

Now lets get onto your test theory, please explain how that would that work? As I see this a impossible to do? Because everybody's scalp tissue is different.

If you can figure that out, I suggest you bottle that up & sell it to every HT doc worldwide.

That is my point actually. Go and take out a few drafts and see how you physically and mentally react to it. You're still anyway supposed to continue with it so the only problem is added hassle. Considering the risk factor involved, I wouldn't however call it a hassle as much. You can imagine how holes look a lot better when you have them on your head.

I believe it would be a fair trade off, there are thousands of them coming anyway. The idea itself without it is crazy enough anyway! You will also see how well you react to replanted drafts. Get a feel of it

Dr Devroye did well inform me on what I can expect. I can't blame him for that, he was precise and to the point. However his call to take out drafts in a straight line has pretty much sealed the impossibility of shaving bald/short for anyone that had done it. I did know that I would need to do the surgery again in x years to fix it, but having seen how those tiny scars look I would rather avoid adding thousands more of them. I'd be much more content shaving bald if it wasn't for the obvious straight lines of the donor area.

And my scaring is normal, no abnormalities with it, it's just the default nature of it that looks and feels bad. So I'd like to stress out to people that best case scenarios still mean visible scaring on bald/very short yes. At that point you can stop thinking if you could shave bald at some point and try not to worry about the whole baldness because that option will not be there again. Holes and drafts (when they're solo) are going to look bad enough yes.

well i go down to a 1.5 and 1 guard and nobody including my barber can see it so not sure where you get this info from other than maybe your own experience which many factors including punch size and skill of doctor.

 

You seem to have a had a bad experience but posting stuff like this is not exactly very useful other than to try scare people for some reason. Yeah buzzing a zero guard is going to show something but most guys that do this know that without be super aggressive on this forum.

I believe possible solution is for these doctors, if they really care for their patients, to enforce a mandatory rule where each patient must take several drafts for a test before the actual surgery. Surgery would come a few months after, after the patient can see how his body has taken it. That would have saved lives for so many people, myself included.

He would then be able to see exactly what he is getting, and not just play Russian roulette with it. The core quality of the life is at stake, and quite so much.

As for your situation, I am really happy that you're ok with it then. A certain hair length does cover the holes, and you need only a semi short buzz to do it. But if you want really short hair, just forget it. Then again longer hair makes balding visible, unless you're going for a 100% patch up. So you are sooner or later (if your balding stage is not final) going to want to buzz your hair to lose the balding look. And you're in a world of pain at that point.

well i go down to a 1.5 and 1 guard and nobody including my barber can see it so not sure where you get this info from other than maybe your own experience which many factors including punch size and skill of doctor.

 

You seem to have a had a bad experience but posting stuff like this is not exactly very useful other than to try scare people for some reason. Yeah buzzing a zero guard is going to show something but most guys that do this know that without be super aggressive on this forum.

I'm exactly trying to scare people away from doing it, at least as I said people that aren't absolutely sure their hair is at its final stages and who don't want to have to go to redo it every 5-10 years, but in any case not ever being able to just shave the hair off or wear it short without all that butchering being visible. FUE, FUT, regardless.

I was on these forums and on the internet before and I desperately was looking for anyone to say anything positive about it. In the end agreed to risk it, and it has costed me peace of mind in this life. I am merely trying to save others from it.

There are people that can do it, but it's specific and I would love to see people be aggressively careful when contemplating it.

Hi guys.

 

I made a life changing decision when I decided to put some hair into my scalp scar. I thought, it will be ok. However it turnes out, I kind of regret, since I like to do sports and keep my hair short. Besides, I have rather fine and dark hair, so I was not really aware of the pro?s and cons. Now I look at my back of my head and my stomach turns inside out.

 

Could someone give me some advice, how to get the right attiude? Ihave always tried to let my hair grow, however, I dont like it and want to keep it short. I know SMP is an option, but is there anything else? I am happy to provide a picture of my frehsly shaven donor.

 

Also, I am from Germany where the procedure was done.

Yeah we need to tell the people so they don't make the grave error that we did. I'm in your club as well.

At your length of hair, it's not too noticeable. No one that doesn't know about hair transplants will figure it's that. Do you have a shaved picture?

Thank you for the information Dr. Is there a certain color of skin/hair that is has a higher chance of scarring or is more noticeable? I have lighter skin and blonde hair. Personally I have shaved my head, all the way down to a bic razor and it was not for me. I like it when it is around 1.5 - 2 grade. I am just thinking very long term if I do decide to go ahead with this procedure, if I would have to buzz it in the future to balance it out.

That is exactly what I wanted, to keep with my short buzz, sometimes bald. But forget it man. If you go short it will be visible. Stay the fuck away from it and don't listen to anyone. Risk is huge to your mental health! If you puncture a hole in the skin, it must leave a scar.

Go and tell them to take 5 drafts from your head. Then go home and wait for a few months, and you will see exactly what you're getting yourself into. Anything other then this is risking it out large and I don't mean it in any positive way. If you feel bad about being bald, imagine how you will feel with holes all around your head.

Hi,

I'm another one of those that made the worst decision of its life and did a hair transplant. FUE. Got a couple thousand holes drilled around the head and while I'm one of those that took the surgery healthy and without any complication, holes on a shaved and short hair head can be seen on any human being.

If there's a doctor that will tell you that holes wont be seen, punch him in the teeth. With either FUE or FUT you will never in your life be able to shave short or bald without it being noticeable, and don't doubt it.

That brings me to my question. Has anyone anyhow figured out a way to hide those holes?

Need to add for anyone considering doing it, stay the fuck away from hair transplant surgery unless you're 40-50 years old and you're sure your situation wont change. Listen to my advice please. Shave bald, no matter how bad you feel imagine feeling x10 times worse. Drop the idea right away!

What is best is that they take out your hair from an area that they mark out in a STRAIGHT FUCKING LINE. So they either with a high degree of incompetency or deliberately make it far worse or unnatural then it needs to be.