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Yeah that was his story back then. That automated machine that he built for it. I'd agree that it sounds like the beginning of my problems. Could well be the sole reason why it went worse than it had to. Because as said, I've had extraordinary healing time in aspects of it and took it really healthy. No problems whatsoever other than those cursed holes putting me into the "went bad" category.

Where would you categorize Dr Devroye? I believe a ratio of people posting pictures is balanced between people doing it out of positive and negative experience. Google displaying all photos put on the internet is a good enough unbiased db to look from. Not perfect but good enough. I am hence claiming that you are wrong with calling my case especially bad as that will give wrong idea to people reading this. They should take a look at a wide selection of photos and come to a conclusion. Putting my case as "rarely before seen" is wrong and you know it. I'm not even butt hurt by it but just see it as false given the averages seen on the internet. In the end why is there a consensus that short buzz hair is a no go for hair transplant? One of us is exaggerating.

Almost never? You've seen plenty of picture of people around so I'm not sure why you'd talk nonsense now. Look at Google db of people donor areas https://www.google.hr/search?q=fue+donor+area+pictures&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjemMrh4-HOAhVCApoKHQDzAscQ_AUICCgB&biw=1920&bih=955 Don't fool people there are plenty of similar, worse and also better examples.

That's exactly how I'd put it yeah. That's an advice I'd like to take at this point, having came to grips with my current situation fairly well, with an odd ranting forum post here and there but can ya do.

Yeah, I like to shave bald/very short and supposedly they recommend buzz after SMP? So there's something that could work to my advantage! x) But indeed, I'll have to take my own advice for it. How much experience do you have with SMPs? I've been contemplating that for a while now. How bad are bad cases?

Well if you read through my rant carefully I do conclude that it should be an option to some people. But likewise as you've said it in the end you have a risk factor to contend with, and even if you've done proper research, got a good surgeon (I was convinced Dr Devroye is a good option) you can still end up with a worse situation than you were trying to solve. That is the same story I've heard 6 years ago. That it improved over the past years, and while it certainly is a logical evolution of things there is a fine line as to how small punctures can get. So it can never really get more efficient then the minimum draft size allows it. That looks like it would be hard to believe that guy did any FUE at all. Not that I don't believe he did it, but how many of such absolutely perfect cases of FUE are there in comparison with average and/or really bad? [edit: well they're not fully invisible and donor area was taken in "straight" lines as well; but punctures are certainly smaller than my] I've had a really good post op recovery. All the drafts they implanted on me stayed from that point on. Had 0 hair loss. So I've had luck with non-visual aspects of it at least. Problem with giving such perfect case pictures is that it gives hope to people, as it exactly did to me 6 years ago, and while there are good and bad cases people should also take a moment to notice the bad ones more carefully as the risk involved could easily put them in that boat as well. I'm an average healthy guy and I've concluded I should've taken the risk at that point. Bottom line is that you have a guy there with great results, and me with poor results. We've had the same risk factors involved. So if anyone is going through this post in their research thinking if they should do it or not, compare the photos and realize that your emotions are playing an important role and you are more likely to accept risks that in the end no one will ever guarantee you results of, because everyone knows part of those taking it will fail. And it's quite an awkward thing to fail with, lets not think of it as an acceptable failure. You can live with it, but it adds a few kilos of weight on your back. You will either contend with your current mediocre happiness of the situation and work toward improving it in moderate steps or you are going all in and getting a fully restored or forever wounded state of mind. I wish you the best in your call!

Here's my buzz situation with more than just words hence, 6 years post op.

Dr Devroye wasn't exactly the cheapest option, at all. Do you know of anyone that has used SMP to cover FUE scars? As far as making drama on the forum about it, I believe it is necessary so that people can see you can make a grave "miserable" decision/mistake. For the overall balance.

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I understand the first impression I have left but you will see after a few of my posts that I'm marketing normal life for people, without any surgery done at best. But I've done it myself, and we all know there are happy stories out there, so I wouldn't want to try to ruin the option for everyone. I'll be happy to give my real name to the admin for any cross check. I appreciate you guys listening to my rant.

I can unshade it all. A real person here with a real story. My only goal is to help people and discourage those that should be discouraged. I have nothing to gain here personally. I realize that some people can do the surgery and be extremely happy with it, but none of those can ever have a very short buzz, especially bald. Lets just emphasize that. If someone can manage their continued hair loss with more surgeries and does plan to maintain longer hair for the rest of his life (a couple of mm length does indeed cover FUE) he should certainly consider doing it. Don't you think that I'm promoting FUT. FUT should be forbidden IMO why, well we've all seen failed FUT attempts. 1 ruined life with it would be enough for me to forbid the whole thing. It's just a Russian roulette then, with a difference that you need to live with it afterwards.

Zero evidence? So you basically are scar proof? That is impossible. What you meant to say is that it has minimal scaring I imagine. Can't recall I'm afraid. It was Dr Devroye, I imagine some of you will know then what size he uses? I'll provide photos little later today. About half of the work he did himself, about half his assistants. About 6 years ago. Yes Dr Devroye's conculsion was that I have a good donor area. About 3000. Yes he did, I can't blame him for that. He was precise and up to the point. My problem is the internet and how misleading some people's posts make it seem like eventually it will be ok if you just shave bald or short. I'm just hence stressing that scaring will always be there, as tiny as it is, there's thousands of em and they make a pattern that can be seen. Especially if the donor area is used with straight lines. I'm solid III Vertex these days, was III at the time of surgery. As said hence Dr Devroye. I am 35 years old, was about 29 at the time of surgery. Too young and too much into the early stages of it, I shouldn't have done it, made a mistake. Did not see replies to this post, sorry for the delay.

That is my point actually. Go and take out a few drafts and see how you physically and mentally react to it. You're still anyway supposed to continue with it so the only problem is added hassle. Considering the risk factor involved, I wouldn't however call it a hassle as much. You can imagine how holes look a lot better when you have them on your head. I believe it would be a fair trade off, there are thousands of them coming anyway. The idea itself without it is crazy enough anyway! You will also see how well you react to replanted drafts. Get a feel of it Dr Devroye did well inform me on what I can expect. I can't blame him for that, he was precise and to the point. However his call to take out drafts in a straight line has pretty much sealed the impossibility of shaving bald/short for anyone that had done it. I did know that I would need to do the surgery again in x years to fix it, but having seen how those tiny scars look I would rather avoid adding thousands more of them. I'd be much more content shaving bald if it wasn't for the obvious straight lines of the donor area. And my scaring is normal, no abnormalities with it, it's just the default nature of it that looks and feels bad. So I'd like to stress out to people that best case scenarios still mean visible scaring on bald/very short yes. At that point you can stop thinking if you could shave bald at some point and try not to worry about the whole baldness because that option will not be there again. Holes and drafts (when they're solo) are going to look bad enough yes.

I believe possible solution is for these doctors, if they really care for their patients, to enforce a mandatory rule where each patient must take several drafts for a test before the actual surgery. Surgery would come a few months after, after the patient can see how his body has taken it. That would have saved lives for so many people, myself included. He would then be able to see exactly what he is getting, and not just play Russian roulette with it. The core quality of the life is at stake, and quite so much. As for your situation, I am really happy that you're ok with it then. A certain hair length does cover the holes, and you need only a semi short buzz to do it. But if you want really short hair, just forget it. Then again longer hair makes balding visible, unless you're going for a 100% patch up. So you are sooner or later (if your balding stage is not final) going to want to buzz your hair to lose the balding look. And you're in a world of pain at that point.

I'm exactly trying to scare people away from doing it, at least as I said people that aren't absolutely sure their hair is at its final stages and who don't want to have to go to redo it every 5-10 years, but in any case not ever being able to just shave the hair off or wear it short without all that butchering being visible. FUE, FUT, regardless. I was on these forums and on the internet before and I desperately was looking for anyone to say anything positive about it. In the end agreed to risk it, and it has costed me peace of mind in this life. I am merely trying to save others from it. There are people that can do it, but it's specific and I would love to see people be aggressively careful when contemplating it.