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My question is should you do this if you had a transplant.

On 11/9/2018 at 12:32 PM, Bill - Managing Publisher said:

And looking at your photos, I don’t feel that 2500 grafts will be enough to give me that kind of coverage and density that you may be looking for.   That said, there’s always that second procedure but it sounds like you want to get as much done as possible the first time. In my opinion, stripped surgery may be the way to go then but you seem on interested in undergoing that procedure. I assume it’s because you are concerned about a linear scar? 

As a sidenote, but related, I find it interesting how many people today are so concerned about the possibility of a linear scar when my attitude from the very beginning when I underwent all four of my procedures was that I could care less if I had a star on the sides and back of my head as long as I had all my hair back on top.   Yet today, almost all prospective patients are so concerned that they will have a linear scar, even though in most cases it’s very well concealed by the hair on the sides and back of your scalp even at short lengths.   Makes me wonder why there was a shift in attitude over the years, perhaps because of the marketing that FUE is a scarless procedure… Even though that’s not true. 

 Don’t get me wrong, if you could undergo surgery and obtain a full looking head of hair with even less scarring via FUE, then I can understand why people would choose it. However, FUE is still much more expensive  then strip and I personally would rather pay less to get a full walking head of hair with a nominal linear scar that nobody will ever see anyway.   That of course is my personal opinion.

best wishes,

Bill

 

He should be concerned about a linear scar.   I had 4k grafts done by hasson seven years ago and 80% have now fallen out.  Who knows why that happened, but we don't talk much about grafts falling out over time.   If that happens and you have a depleted donor and the only option is to cut hair really short, you are left with the bad decision for everyone to see.

with his results now, he should forget about a HT.  

Did they not tell you the number of beard grafts and the location in which they would place them?

How many beard grafts where taken and where were they placed.  

How many beard grafts were used and where were they placed?

Thank You,

I reviewed their price quotes that you linked and I think the premium service and highest price has him involved 100%.   They seem to have three price structures which dictates their percent of involvement.   

I thought that Dr. Pradeep would do 100% of the extractions.   I was a little surprised to see that he was involved in only 30% of the extractions.   Why is this?   

Harin...Do you remember if Dr. Arika was involved in 100% of your extractions?

On 4/30/2019 at 5:20 PM, Sean said:

I can say from a sad etc experience the yield sucks and it is a rip off.  Only way beard hair surgeries may show a distinct result on scalp is if you do one of those bogus 8,000 plus graft surgeries where after you pay a large sum of money and the yield is like 20 percent.  Out of shitload of grafts where only few may grow due to poor yield but it is enough to maybe help.  If you get like 2000 grafts then the yield will probably be super low and turn out to be ineffective.  You are not going to get a showcase patient result out of those hairs even though you may be told great things pre surgery to get you to  sit in the chair.  They grow in odd angles too if the surgeon planted them inefficiently.  Aside from that, you cant use finasteride if you have body hairs on your scalp apparently.  

Highly recommend using such hairs as last resorts or for scar filler hair or something.  

Any of the folks you know that did beard hair to scalp grafting have posts across any forum that you can share?  

 

On 4/30/2019 at 5:20 PM, Sean said:

I can say from a sad etc experience the yield sucks and it is a rip off.  Only way beard hair surgeries may show a distinct result on scalp is if you do one of those bogus 8,000 plus graft surgeries where after you pay a large sum of money and the yield is like 20 percent.  Out of shitload of grafts where only few may grow due to poor yield but it is enough to maybe help.  If you get like 2000 grafts then the yield will probably be super low and turn out to be ineffective.  You are not going to get a showcase patient result out of those hairs even though you may be told great things pre surgery to get you to  sit in the chair.  They grow in odd angles too if the surgeon planted them inefficiently.  Aside from that, you cant use finasteride if you have body hairs on your scalp apparently.  

Highly recommend using such hairs as last resorts or for scar filler hair or something.  

Any of the folks you know that did beard hair to scalp grafting have posts across any forum that you can share?  

 

I 500 beard hairs implanted just behind front hairline.   I can assure you that most of the hair have grown.  Other users such as hairin on here also have had great yield.   Look on Dr. Umars site of the young man who had beard hairs used to restore his hair.    

On 4/12/2019 at 3:25 PM, gillenator said:

Just to add...a friend of mine had some beard extractions done and then summer came.  He tans quite well and you could notice some whiter spots where the extractions were done...no doubt his dark tan produced more contrast and he had roughly 1200 done.

The thing about beard donor is the visual compatibility of it with scalp hair especially in the hairline...darker hair is more of an issue when the contrast is wide.  Beard hair tends to be much more coarse than diffusing scalp hair.

And beginning to hear more issues with the success in terms of overall yield.

Where have you seen that the yield is not that great with beard hair.   Is this just anecdotal or known?  I have seen numerous cases where people have achieved incredible results with beard hair.   Can you give science behind the less yield you are referring to?

On 4/12/2019 at 3:25 PM, gillenator said:

Just to add...a friend of mine had some beard extractions done and then summer came.  He tans quite well and you could notice some whiter spots where the extractions were done...no doubt his dark tan produced more contrast and he had roughly 1200 done.

The thing about beard donor is the visual compatibility of it with scalp hair especially in the hairline...darker hair is more of an issue when the contrast is wide.  Beard hair tends to be much more coarse than diffusing scalp hair.

And beginning to hear more issues with the success in terms of overall yield.

Where have you seen that the yield is not that great with beard hair.   Is this just anecdotal or known?  I have seen numerous cases where people have achieved incredible results with beard hair.   Can you give science behind the less yield you are referring to?

I have seen the numbers in regards to safe harvest.   I was wondering of a more personalized number considering my own density.   How far down the neck can you go to harvest grafts or are grafts taken generally only under the jawline.   

When you mean clearer, are you meaning focus?   I thought this photo caught everything under the jawline.

Just a question on how many grafts can be taken from my beard.   If there are any surgeons that want to chime in, I would love to hear your opinions.   

3.5 months ago I went to Dr. Bhatti for a combination head, beard, and chest hair FUE.   I can only comment on my results thus far, but as of now I am happy with the results and hoping there are more to come.   

This point has already been alluded to by Shera and I will reiterate.   You can take the best surgeon in the world in his/her respective specialty and see outcomes that did not match the initial expectations.   It is the nature of medicine.   There are no guarantees with any medical procedure.   Why would any reputable transplant surgeon give money back to customers because the outcome was subpar?    

We are talking about something that is subjective and hard to quantify.   I am not trying to reduce the OP's concerns, but for the degree of hair loss and the amount of grafts harvested you can't expect it to be a one and done type of procedure.   When I went to Dr. Bhatti, I was already planning the next procedure in my head because I knew my ultimate goal and I was realistic in what was needed to achieve it.   

The OP talks about grafts growing straight up in a "kinky" fashion.   What does the original poster think that beard hair is going to do?   It is not going to lay perfect like head hair.   Over time it will be less obvious, but that takes patience.   Also, I read where the original poster said that they can take all of his beard hair because he doesn't like shaving.   From my understanding, that is the opposite sentiment that he should have.   He would actually be better served growing out his beard to hide any possible scarring, even if minimal.    I think I had approximately 700 beard grafts harvested and I can tell you, without a doubt, the majority are growing like a chia pet.   I plan on getting at the very least 700 more harvested.   The spot where Dr. Bhatti took the grafts shows a very slight thinner appearance than the other portions of my beard and there is no way you would ever notice if I didn't tell you to look.   

Overall, I am very happy with how Dr. Bhatti treated me and will definitely be going back to him in the future.   In fact, my year month mark will be in October and hope that I can have my 2nd procedure with Dr. Bhatti at that time.   

I came to the discussion forum to search for something that can control an itchy scalp.   I purchased generic Scalpicin and started applying it yesterday.   I wanted to make sure this was not going to compromise results.   I clicked on the patient results section and this was the first thread I saw and I felt compelled to write.   If all my grafts stopped growing tomorrow, there is no way I would ever ask for a refund because I understand the high variability from person to person to any cosmetic procedure, especially something so particular of graft harvesting and transplantation.   We aren't discussing breast augmentations.   We are talking about a highly meticulous procedure with an unmeasurable amount of variables, including patient post-op care, that can determine the quality of the outcome.   

The thought of creating perfect results for everyone that undergoes a hair transplant is unrealistic and will never happen, regardless of the surgeon.   

We should all be thankful of surgeons like Dr. Bhatti willing to explore possibilities like using beard and chest hair at a very reasonable price.   For that, I am grateful and may the outcome of my results rest on the chemistry of my DNA.   

Please excuse any grammatical errors.  I don't have time to proof read.    

Damian

I had the same issue with no response. I will forward my email to you for consultation with BHR clinic. Let me know if you need anything else from me after you view the email

Best Regards.

I agree man. I asked a straight forward question and no answers at all.

I am wanting opinions on how many grafts could be harvested. I also was looking for advice in which places to use the grafts. I have attached pictures of torso and beard.

It is funny that you two mentioned Dr. Oztan. I had a consultation with his clinic online and got the same impression. I like the conservative approach to taking grafts in smaller sessions. I was also trying to find more patient results posted on this forum. His results look great on his site. There are several doctors in his clinic. How do you know which one is providing the great results that are posted on the site?

Photos to compare. The one where I am wearing the white shirt was probably 2 years after the transplant. The one in the checkered shirt was probably 2 years ago.

I had virtually no hair on top. I have put in a consolidation to Dr Umar via email. I looked back at pictures and thought about it. There has been a definite slow decline of transplanted hairs. It's not a outcome that is worth much to appearance. I just hope that I have enough body hair to give good coverage in the crown.

If 3500 grafts or so yields 7000 hairs on average. There is no way that all 3500 grafts are still there. I am praying that every single hair on my abdomen can be harvested. Praying for a miracle here.

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Don't know about goals for hairstyling. I would love to be able to wear it at a number 2 or 3 guard. I know that body hair takes on a different characteristic than scalp hair so that would be the reason I would want to keep it short. I am looking to maximize all possible areas of donor supply.

Right now my hair is at a number 2 guard time will tell if the scar is covered by a 3 guard cut.

Thanks for the replies.

I started with nothing on top. There may have been some terminal hairs about ready to fall out for sure, but that is it. Pretty much a virgin scalp.

I haven't approached them yet. It has been so long ago and quite frankly how would a second procedure provide different results. I don't know all the variables that go into what would be considered a good result.

Now my thought process is to have maximal amount of FUE's for coverage. It is disheartening for sure. It is a slow gradual process but I remember having hair fall out. I recently took a passport photo and thought to myself...this hair cut is not doing it anymore, so I just shaved it. Now I have the scar to contend with.

Dr Victor Hasson did the procedure.

Unfortunately, I don't have a preop picture. I am undecided whether to proceed with a FUT or FUE. I am really nervous that the second go around could produce a scar that couldn't be repaired. With the abundance of body hair, I was hoping to use a good amount of that resource.

I don't know if I am comfortable to say publicly just yet. I can tell you that many people on this forum have used him before and he receives a lot of praise. I was a member on here before and did countless hours of research, traveled about 1,500 miles to this doctor. The blame can't be placed on lack of research on my part. It is just a very poor outcome.

This is the first time I have shaved my whole head because I was thinking about getting another procedure and wanted to snap photos for consultation sake. Needless to say, I was shocked about the visible scar.