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Hey lileli,

Discussed on another thread. Dr. Hasson has no FUE results but is charging guys top dollar to practice on their head in my opinion. Basically riding the popularity of his FUT..

Don't want to take this thread away from Dr. Feller though. I've grabbed some popcorn and about to watch one of his videos.

Your thoughts?

Please stop performing FUE Dr. Feller. By your own admission, you're terrible at it. Schedule FUE training. Perfect your technique with smaller FUE procedures. But don't charge patients to practice on their head like Dr. Hasson. Be honest with patients. Tell them you're terrible at FUE but want to learn. Show them these threads. In time, you will get better. I promise.

But hey... if you were really against FUE for moral reasons you would remove it from your signature and website. But you won't. It's what people want. You will use it as an opportunity to sell a lie in my opinion.

The lie is known as modified FUE.

Safe zone is an estimate, not a fixed region, in some people the whole head might be a safe zone, in others, even the safe zone is not really safe....

Safe zone is based on current and future hair loss pattern. They extracted outside his safe zone.

I have faith that hw would not offer a procedure where they would not be able to backup.

That's just it. They don't know if they can back it up. Dr. Hasson has zero FUE results. None. Nada. I was curious as to why you would book (and pay top dollar I might add) to a clinic that has little experience and no FUE results to share. I was more curious as to why someone would book when there are no results, photos to share.

I guess it boils down to faith. I'm a religious man and understand the power of faith. Believing in something you can't see.

Let's just leave it at that.

I don't know what your history is with hw and ht, but the tone you give off is that you have some resentment.

I have no resentment at all. Dr. Hasson does great strip work. Hairlines lack a little in design but great work overall. Hell, I would schedule a strip with him to increase density if I had to. I'm just not sold on his FUE or lack of.

Just because your good at strip does not mean you're good at FUE. I'll admit that it bugs me they are charging guys top dollar when they have no results to share. They are riding the popularity (and trust) of their FUT. That's wrong in my opinion.

I am posting here to share my experience so others can be educated. I had a great experience so far and wanted to share it. If my results tank, I am sure it would be very bad business for hw, but again only time will tell, and they seem to be as confident as I am that things will turn out great.

Thank you for posting. I hope it does turn out well. I WANT it to turn out well for you. But we're missing a key ingredient here: consistency. Dr. Hasson does not know if he can perform FUE yet. He does not know that he can deliver what he promised. He needs to practice, which is what he did on your head.

Too many questions that need answered here: who is the technician who did the extraction? Sharp or dull punch? What's their technique implanting, harvesting? I hope they answered all of this during the consultation.

Bottom line, the discount would be to let him practice on your head.

You're giving them a great deal. Practice and free publicity. That's all i'm saying.

You might at well get something in return. A discount on future work maybe.

Here is to good growth my friend. Fingers crossed. Your result can make or break them in FUE for sure.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid we are going to have to agree to disagree. Thank you for saying my video's are entertaining, though. At least I don't "suck" at everything.

You're ok at strip Dr. Feller. I've seen your work in person. Hairline work is ok. No doubles. Nice irregular pattern. Crappy design in my opinion though. I would not rate you as an A-list hair transplant doctor. Most would agree on this form. But a solid B-list.

With the likes of Bernstein and Rassman. You won't get a botched hair transplant... but don't expect a home run either. Just average. My 65 year old dad would be happy.

That brings me to something... why does your signature and website say you offer FUE when you're so against it?

Classic Hasson donor area in my opinion. His strip seems to be always taken above the safe zone putting the patient at risk long-term.

He's made the same mistake here and extracted (or should I say assistant) outside of the safe zone with FUE.

I hope you're not headed for a high norwood. If you are, there is a VERY real chance that you will lose the transplanted hairs due to miniaturization.

While the work does look good, it's a small number of grafts. No doubt you will need a second to increase the density or style your hair strategically to make up for the lack of density.

I'm guessing that Dr. Hasson would have recommended more grafts had it been strip.

In the end, time will tell. As I mentioned, the recipient site looks great. Donor area (though a small number of grafts) good also. The only issue I possibly see is density due to your hair and scalp contrast. Easy fix though with a touch-up.

That brings me to the question I'm sure many are wondering. The elephant in the room so to speak.

Why on earth would you book FUE with Dr. Hasson?

He has no FUE results. None. Nada.

You're basically a guinea pig here. He is learning how to do FUE at your expense. He is training on your head. They also offer ARTAS at the expense of patient's heads, which is bad enough. The purchase was a sign of desperation no doubt.

I guess what I'm getting at is I hope that you got a really good discount, especially since you're promoting his work on the forum. Something they are REALLY desperate for. Word on the street says their schedule took at hit because of their reluctance to offer FUE.

If not, call them now and ask for one or at minimum a discount towards future work. There is a real chance that you won't get stellar growth due to their in-experience with FUE. Did they tell you that during the consultation? I hope so.

Anyway, best of luck. I hope it works out. While the work looks good, time will tell if Dr. Hasson has learned how to overcome the many pitfalls of FUE. He is not proven in FUE, and in my opinion should not be changing patients top dollar until proven.

There are much better alternatives.

Good luck.

The point you are pushing is that the yield will be lower in the FUE case so grafts need to be placed more densely over a smaller area.

In opinion, the only thing that Dr. Feller has done is show the online community that he is not confident in his FUE ability. Of course FUE yield would be bad in the hands of Dr. Feller, he has openly admitted that he sucks at it.

So basically we have someone who knows that he is bad at FUE telling the rest of us (many who have had successful FUE) that the procedure is flawed. When in reality it's Dr. Feller's FUE technique that is flawed.

Dr. Feller can't do FUE by his own admission.

While his videos are entertaining, they also reveal one simple fact. Well two actually: his business is hurting and he is spending more time entertaining than performing surgery. Just look at the "modified FUE" as an example. It''s an act of desperation and every reputable HT doctor is lughing i'm sure.

Thanks for setting the industry back 10 years Dr. Feller with your modified FUE nonsense. (aka: the dinosaur).

OR…

Dr. Bhatti has a point and your FUE technique is wrong Dr. Feller?

Seriously, call Dr. Koray, Bhatti or any other Turkish FUE doctor for some FUE tips.

You clearly need them.

Dr. Feller,

Adonix,

 

That patient of mine from five years ago is exactly the reason why I identified and try to minimize the three detrimental forces of FUE.

 

Look at the post op photo of that case. Absolutely beautiful. Looks no different than my typical dense FUT cases. But the growth was easily only about 50%. Why?

 

I removed the grafts with the greatest of care. By 2010 I already had 9 years of FUE experience under my belt. I had even created my own tools and protocols and was included in Unger/Shaprio's HT text specifically for FUE. I showed Dr. Unger himself how to remove his first FUE. I had given lectures and demonstrations at ISHRS meetings and for other doctors in my clinic and theirs. By all accounts I knew what I was doing. So why the poor results?

 

The answer had to be damage during the extractions themselves OR his particular physiology. The so-called "X" factor. Assuming it was somehow my fault I just offered him another surgery for free to fill it in and thicken it up. He accepted. But this time I decided to use a larger punch. I think I went from a .9mm punch to 1.0mm punch. Or, I decided not to do any trimming of the grafts once removed from the donor area as I usually did. Or maybe both. I'm not sure because it was five years ago, but the idea was to not do the exact same thing I had during the first surgery. If you read the link to the website he even mentions my change of strategy for him.

 

And even after a second beautiful procedure his results still weren't on par with FUT. But, he was sure the second procedure grew better than the first. So that helped to confirm that indeed the FUE was too harsh on the grafts causing a lower yield. Less trauma on the grafts during round two and thus better yield.

 

I never did see the final results of the second surgery-but obviously he still wasn't happy. By then he wanted to try his luck with another surgeon, and I don't blame him.

 

Unfortunately, he only posted as far as 4 months after his surgery with my friend Dr. Rahal- who himself did his first FUE in my office. Then the patient stopped posting. So perhaps he finally grew well and moved on; or, his results were no better than mine and he just gave up. I should think, however, that he would have posted a triumphant conclusion if that was the case. But I don't know.

 

Throughout this whole situation I couldn't help but thinking that if he had FUT he would have been "one and done". Also though, could another FUE doctor do a better job than I? If so, how? What could I have done differently. I honestly could not say.

 

But I know for a fact that nobody else could do anything differently either. Not then and not now. And that is part of the point I am trying to make in these FUE posts. If someone claims they can do a better job than I did on this patient through the use of better instruments or technique then it is their obligation to prove how and with what. But to date nobody has.

 

To improve his yield on the second round I reduced the detrimental FUE forces by increasing the size of the punch, leaving more bulk around the grafts, and slowing down the extraction process considerably. And it worked. So how in the world can the FUE-only megasessionist do better by decreasing the size of the punch, stripping the bulk away down to skeletonization, and speeding up the extraction process?

 

The answer is, they can't. Luckily, SOME patients have very tolerant grafts and fortunately there are some very dedicated and skilled FUE practitioners out there. When those two combine you get some VERY impressive results. But no matter how good or bad those FUE results are, for the reasons stated above, FUT would have looked better and with far less risk. But MOST FUE practitioners are not that dedicated nor gifted. Instead, they will sacrifice their patient's donor area by 50% to get enough grafts out to complete the case. The patient of course would have absolutely no idea how much of their donor area was sacrificed. But I do, because I've seen these patients in my office.

 

They may have been given a thousand grafts, but the entire donor area had been extracted from leaving a fibrotic mess. It is the "success to failure" ratio that counts.

 

Am I the only doctor on here with FUE patients that have grown poorly? I think not. There are some doctors very very close to this thread who have more than one RECENT patient right now showing their poor FUE results and sharing their disappointment. Difference is, I don't claim FUE has been perfected and that therefore failure was due to the stars or that it was the patient's physiology that was at fault.

 

I am one of the only capable and experienced FUE doctors to admit openly that there are basic detriments inherent to the procedure of FUE and therefore should not be offered as a substitute for strip. I am also a capable and experienced FUT surgeon so I am not dependent on a single modality for my livelihood and can be more transparent than those who do rely on just one modality.

 

Look at that patient you posted of mine and ask yourself if this result is exclusive to Dr. Feller or to all FUE practitioners.

The guy you’re talking about is “hookhairs.” Looks like it was YOUR FUE technique that was the problem Dr. Feller. He has two FAILED FUE with you and then decided to schedule with Dr. Rahal. Joe posted his result a few months back.

Dr. Rahal nailed it after YOU failed 2x. His result is great, http://www.hairrestorationnetwork.com/eve/176272-update-must-see-rahal-fue-results-1413-grafts.html

How can you explain this? Two FAILED FUE with you. And a HOMERUN with Dr. Rahal – same patient.

I can

In my opinion you’re only a strip doctor who was never able to master FUE. You’re desperate. Your practice is hurting. You’re doing FUE wrong.

This patient proves it.

Maybe you should call Dr. Rahal or Feriduni for some FUE tips?

Hi Busa!

I sometimes wonder when average results get praised by so many on this forum. I point out that the hairline is pluggy and i'm Busa all of a sudden? Sorry but it's true. All that matters is the guy is happy I guess.

It's great to see docs jumping on the fue bandwagon but i just can't get into this result, sorry. I tried.

I'm my opinion it's an average result. Growth is good. But the hairline seems pluggy to me You can clearly see doubles. Compare this hairline to the likes of Feriduni or Konior. It's not in the same league.